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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Excuse me, I can't speak for slaveboy and philo, but I'm not a liberal, I'm a pinko commie-loving lame ass leftie. Thank you.

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ORIGINAL: OneSickFck

Although I find it reprehensible that Wilders is being prosecuted for his film, I find it VERY hard to consider Wilders a “champion” of free speech. Lest anyone forget, he advocates BANNING the Koran:

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3094

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8McIz0ejukg&NR=1

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou
What I don't get is why anyone believes a religion should be offered more protections than any other group.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark 
 This isn't about free speach, this is about the ability to misrepresent an entire religion based on a handful of factions and fundementalist groups.  You call that art? I call it propaganda when there is no impartiality.
 

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou
What I don't get is why anyone believes a religion should be offered more protections than any other group.

Absolutely it shouldn't.  However there is a distinction about misinterpreting information.  If you wanted to cook a chicken, what do you want, someone to tell you to eat it raw or half cooked after it has been standing in the sun for a couple of hours on the grass after a dog has defecated on it, or someone who explains how to store it and cook it so it's moist and tender.(Unless your a vegetarian or vegan that is).  If all people were sensible then there would be no need for the safety police.  Unfortunately, not everyone is and so cereal packets have lists of ingredients on them and have to abide by laws and toys need to carry age recommendations.

To go with the chicken theme here, if  I chose to watch a show about someones favorite chicken recipe, and it showed they liked preparing it by shitting on it, I probably would change the channel. I have a small problem with your argument, regardless of the framing, most people have now been exposed to information about Islam in general for about 7 years now or longer, there have been countless debates on the whether Islam is extremist or not, so we aren't talking about people that have never seen a chicken or who have never seen a chicken recipe before.

I think that is sort of a dishonest viewpoint to take,as Islam has been the most talked about religion for nearing a decade now.

So, my point on the subject in that area, is most of the population is not entirely ignorant on the subject, and more than likely have heard the pro side and con side multiple times. Obviously this guy has taken the con viewpoint. I don't see why that is a problem. The world population isn't virgin to the religion, and the debate surrounding it, you'd have to live in a cave, not to have heard at least a dozen.

It would only be a problem, if one had never prepared chicken or seen chicken being prepared or eaten chicken, and relied on one source that happen to like chicken with shit on it, to become a problem.

See my point.

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And what I call that movie is an opinion and interpretation of reality as he sees it.

And that's cool.  At least you understand that.  But unfortunately, not everyone does.  He is a preacher - and you are his congregation - remember that.

I have no idea what you mean by I'm his congregation, I don't care what the guy believes or says, really, I'm just concerned with his right to say it. Nothing more.

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I'm on about page 3 of the Koran, and thus far it's nothing but hate, hate for all that don't believe, that doesn't sound much different than what you are saying this movie says about believers. Though that is to be expected the older the text is the more vile it is in all religions. I will read it all over the following months maybe it mellows, and stops saying all non-believers will be tormented for eternity, and are equivalent to being deaf dumb and blind, I've  read most of the Bible at one point or another, so I guess I'll read this thing to.

It's funny.  Historically, Islam was very tolerant of what it called its brothers of the book - meaning Jews and Christians.  And Pagans were treated with respect.
The thing I always recommend when reading any religous book and artifact is to not read from start to finish.  They never make any sense that way... and were never meant to be read like that... try reading it as a form of divination instead.  And also it would be really cool to learn some of the language.  After all, remeber you are looking at a handful of peoples interpretations that were done many years ago.  Homosexual for example doesn't even appear in the New Testement in the original text and the reason I am using that as an example is it is one of the biggie debates when it comes to religion.

Also, read some Rumi and some of the other great prophets and poets.  Its always great to get a more rounded representation of whatever you want to look into.

I'm not going to read it in a divine since (divination), I'm reading it as a view of what the men who wrote it are trying to instill in those reading it, the same as I watched that movie or read your text, ultimately its religion is nothing more than an opinion on the universal order of things, I don't consider any of them fact. Just to make it clear all the supposed HOLY Books, whether inspired by a real god or not, are works of men and undoubtedly the words within are sculpted to influence behaviour in a manner the writer wanted. Unfortunately most religious writings, are more about seperating people than anything. You are a believer or a Pagan. I don't care if you are a believer or a pagan. I dont' see the seperation, thus I don't view religious banter to be anymore objectionable than someone saying lawyers are bad. It's a opinion on a group, I only care about protecting individuals, not groups.

Well, you got me going a bit, all anyone needs to know in to be religiously fulfilled and to live a good life by most religions standards

1. Don't fuck another mans woman.
2. Take care of your kids and your messes.
2 Don't take another persons stuff.
3. Work for what you need and want.
4. Don't want for more than you need.
5. Help others when possible to do so.
6. Never Kill another unless being attacked (literally).
7. Mellow out.

There I just replaced the need for all religions and gods, except for the ego gratification they provide by giving the followers the drug of  "special" knowledge and a "special" relationship to the One true god which creates "groups" and therefore conflict.

 
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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

So are you saying people should only do a good thing for media attention?

The problem with Muslims is that they do not want to adapt to the law of the land.  They want the law of the land to adapt to them, or they want to take over that land and create their own sharia law.

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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

So are you saying people should only do a good thing for media attention?

The problem with Muslims is that they do not want to adapt to the law of the land.  They want the law of the land to adapt to them, or they want to take over that land and create their own sharia law.

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

The moroccans here use their religion to justify a lott. IF the muslim community would prevent that abuse..it would be eassier.

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: JustDarkness

The moroccans here use their religion to justify a lott. IF the muslim community would prevent that abuse..it would be eassier.

Like how? Are you saying that Muslims are the only people who commit abuses in the name of their religion?

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Are you saying that Muslims are the only people who commit abuses in the name of their religion?

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

"They, they, they"... "They" are people. If you, and the others, stopped categorizing an entire group because of a few, we would have moved on and up from this debate - I hear much prejudice, much generalization, and hardly any facts. Right now, frankly, it's cruising at barely above ground level.