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4u2spoil -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 1:00:19 PM)

I think this sentence perhaps describes my attitude towards gifts and spoiling in a better way than I've expressed it previously. My desire to be spoiled isn't about bleeding anyone dry or finding the person who can give the shiniest gift. It's my opinion that if someone is an important part of your life, you don't say "oh, except for anything involving money."

I once dated someone who missed his prom. I ordered a prom catalog, got champagne glasses engraved, had a cheesy photo backdrop plus decorations and threw him a "prom." I wasn't ordering in volume so nothing was discounted and it wasn't cheap, but it wasn't going to put me in the poorhouse. I wanted to do give him something that would make him happy - and it did, so it was money well spent.

I have a similar outlook when it comes to receiving gifts/being spoiled.

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ORIGINAL: DeepSouth
I am never going to be wealthy, it will not happen, but I would make every effort to afford to treat my Domme as an important part of my life. 




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 1:20:27 PM)

Polite sub, as a child I was diagnosed with ptsd, bi polar manic depressive, ADHD, Severely and emotionally disturbed and learning disabled. I am also un diagnosed OCD all though it's very mild in the forms it presents itself. I am emotionally stunted and emotionally delayed, and I would say so myself I am screwed up in the head.

. And I went through years of sexual abuse and physical abuse and emotional abuse, from the hands of family, had the emotional issues to deal with from that, Which I  still feel scared from even though I am now 26, and still am affected by my sexual abuse, and also the years more abuse and general mistreatment from the system, and group homes that was supposed to protect the children in their care.


And Daddy is Chronically  depressed suicidal* has made 3 attempts on his own life, * and suffers from paranoia. And he can't afford medical care so he's not on medications nor seeing a doctor, and is just barely managing his illness, IT doesn't take much to make it swing beyond his ability to control some days, and to much drama, weather from work or family bullshit can send him into a tail spin.

And I still say MOST note not all,  illnesses are not caused by society I don't believe..Maybe emotionall issues are, however.
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

I don't think stress counts as a mental illness, at least not a permanent one you need medical care for.

And I am talking about permanent ones you need cousnoling for and pills and it's a life long issue, when I talk about mental illnesses not being caused by society.



Even the experts dont agree on the main cause of mental illness. Your comment show you dont know anyone who has suffered from PTSD and other forms of stress related problems.

I agree there are many that do have a chemical inbalance causing their problems, but to be as dismissive as you were about stress is just incorrect.




ShaktiSama -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 1:20:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LunaVenus

The whore was used in my saying I am NOT one....Not me calling anyone else one.


Saying you are NOT a whore because you don't have sex with your submissives implies that people who DO have sex with their submissives ARE whores.

Whore is a nasty word in general, in my opinion, but its normal definition is "a person who performs sexual acts in exchange for money or material goods". Notice the difference between performing sexual acts "in exchange for money or material goods" and "for one's own pleasure"? The word you were probably looking for was "slut", not "whore". Equally hateful and uncalled-for and stupid, but at least more accurate.

"Substandard" is also, by definition, a nasty word. It means that certain people are BENEATH you. That is what the prefix "SUB" means, in case English is not your mother tongue.

In short, there is a difference between "diversity of opinion" and "being rude and arrogant". You were the latter. And no, some of us do not "enjoy" it. If you're sorry and you've realized that you're not going to make any friends around here by putting other dominants down because they don't spend as much money as you do on clothes and toys? Great. But don't pass off your social faux pas as a lack of appreciation for "diversity". You can be as "diverse" as you want, so long you're not a complete bitch.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 1:27:56 PM)

I would never personally spend 30 dollars on ONE pair of panties, for myself, and I certainly wouldn't buy any one else 30 dollar panties, if I wouldn't spend that much on panties for my own self, And I AM financially secure.  Or rather I Was till I got into a huge amount of debt, and once it's gone I will be secure again.


I have no problem with spending money on gifts, provided I don't think they are frivolous, and I would spend that much on myself for something I wanted.

I payed for half the cost of DAddies laptop once, on a whim just because I could, and I have spent 100's of dollars on gifts before.

But I didn't feel they were frivolous, and I would of spent the amount on myself too if there was something I wanted that was equal or more in costs.
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil

I know some guys turn off just at the mention of the word spoil/pamper, especially if there's a financial element, but I think there are different levels. I once asked a sub to buy a pair of $30 underwear for me (I'd already purchased one color for myself, wanted a different color). He came back with something completely different that was on sale and said "but the ones you wanted were $30, and these were $7"

I didn't dislike the $7 panties because they were $7. I disliked them because they weren't what I wanted, and somehow anything over $10 seemed to equate to pay to play. Financially secure doesn't mean a person won't be a cheapskate, but makes it less likely that the person won't view a $30 gift as some massive investment/dealbreaker.

I feel like there's a very broad, unflattering stroke being used to paint the picture of Dommes who enjoy gifts or spoiling. Just my 2 cents as to the thinking on the other side of the brush.






4u2spoil -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 3:01:37 PM)

Different folks, different strokes. I would be fine with the panties because I wanted them, but didn't need them. I wouldn't be comfortable with a laptop contribution because it's something I need and I like knowing that I can take care of my needs on my own.

I still think the point of a gift is considering what the recipient wants. What's frivolous to you may be useful or really coveted by someone else.

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

I would never personally spend 30 dollars on ONE pair of panties, for myself, and I certainly wouldn't buy any one else 30 dollar panties, if I wouldn't spend that much on panties for my own self, And I AM financially secure.  Or rather I Was till I got into a huge amount of debt, and once it's gone I will be secure again.


I have no problem with spending money on gifts, provided I don't think they are frivolous, and I would spend that much on myself for something I wanted.

I payed for half the cost of DAddies laptop once, on a whim just because I could, and I have spent 100's of dollars on gifts before.





YourhandMyAss -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 3:10:22 PM)

That certainly is true Daddy wants a huge flat screen LCD Tv, and I think that my 24 inch normal one is just fine.

I didn't mind splitting the cost, he would of waited till he could of afforded it but I was feeling impulsive, plus while we were living where we were, the laptop came in handy.
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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil

Different folks, different strokes. I would be fine with the panties because I wanted them, but didn't need them. I wouldn't be comfortable with a laptop contribution because it's something I need and I like knowing that I can take care of my needs on my own.

I still think the point of a gift is considering what the recipient wants. What's frivolous to you may be useful or really coveted by someone else.

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

I would never personally spend 30 dollars on ONE pair of panties, for myself, and I certainly wouldn't buy any one else 30 dollar panties, if I wouldn't spend that much on panties for my own self, And I AM financially secure.  Or rather I Was till I got into a huge amount of debt, and once it's gone I will be secure again.


I have no problem with spending money on gifts, provided I don't think they are frivolous, and I would spend that much on myself for something I wanted.

I payed for half the cost of DAddies laptop once, on a whim just because I could, and I have spent 100's of dollars on gifts before.






LookieNoNookie -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 3:54:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil

Be careful, you're going to have a problem with the closet diggers soon. Closet space is worth so much more than gold anyway.


ehhhhh....they've been scouting me for years.

I know what I want. I know what it looks like, sounds like...and acts like.

She's looking for me just as vigorously as I'm looking for her.  Our paths will cross when it's right.

Until then...I'm just gonna go to work and have a great life :)




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 4:25:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Oh Kevin, that is utter rubbish. I know several mentally ill (per their doctors) people. They need ALOT more than simple, compassion, patience, friendship, love and understanding.

Often they need serious counselling and medications. Quite often they refuse to get either, or they can't due to lack of health insurance and/or money.  I refuse to get sucked into that constant drama. I am not blaming the person, I just will not be involved on a daily basis.


Wow!

Wow again!

Mentally ill people certainly require (in some instances) much more, as you've stated.  Your reference ('often") is correct only insomuch as it suggest that "occasionally, they need more interaction than others".  Few could disagree.

I'm not sure what you refer to as "mentally ill", so I'll allow you to define it, but ADD and ADHD people might fit that bill.  Certainly the extremes, such as Schizophrenia and others may fit the tolerable end points for you, while some simply having a bad day may the fit the other.

I actually grew up near a family which had two sons, both schizophrenics (one used to have rather lengthy conversations with his shoes), and I've dated (as most men have) women who could easily fit definitions on the extreme end of the other.

Each has and had something remarkable to offer to my world. Stunning things. 

Things such as meeting, and getting to know someone who could have a rather lengthy conversation with his shoes.  (He never spoke to mine however, which I found equally curious).

No question I found that beyond bizarre.  I also found it beyond fascinating. It added to my life and experience here.  I wouldn't trade it for the world.

Something else I wouldn't trade was knowing (the boys) Mother...who gave up everything, including a spectacular career, to care for her two sons during a period (Reagan and then Bush 1) when spending on mental health was cut by over 96%, yet she kept her son as healthy as she could...until of course, she died.

He's still alive, barely surviving in society without her...and yeah...he's more than odd...but he's a beautiful human being all the same.

And so were the girls I've known who could as easily have been defined by others as a smidge more than irrational.  But I found them beautiful as well.  And I still do, and always will.

They added to my life far more than had I shunned them, because yes...they were at minimum, unusual...indeed...and I wouldn't be the same man I am today without their input, my queries, their responses to same...and my incredible love for each one today.

Most of the world's best artists, musicians, economists...indeed, the worlds greatest producers of all that we today deem incredible...had some stroke of mental "deficiency" for lack of a better word.

They're the ones in the history books.  Not you or I.

They're the ones we still talk about a thousand years later.

Give me a friend with what the world deems a mental "impairment" every day.  Those are the ones that add color to my life.  Those are the ones that can see birds when everyone else only see's a white stain on their car.

Those are the ones that can make rainbows explode out of a somber world.

I'll take them every day.

Every day.




Lockit -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 4:48:27 PM)

Wow.. and wow again Lookie... what a really rude thing to say!  A back handed bitch slap or slam dunk if I ever saw one... to refere to the symbols this site uses to infere that someone is insane is... well.. exactly that.  Nothing LaTigresse said was insane.  It was how I view it as well.

While I am glad you had the experiences you have had... I must ask you... did you fuck those boys?  Did you have a live in relationship with them?  Did you explore all avenues with them day in and out?

I have loved and appreciated many and I care for a brain damaged son and of course I love him... but even his girlfriend who loved him... could not see being in my place and caring for him.  No he is not mentally ill, but he was and she was breaking up with him because it got too crazy and that is how he ended up taking his life... yes, he took it, he died... but they brought him back.  Now his mother who cares for him will be gone... and he won't do well unless someone takes her place.

Mental illness is many things and means different things, but every thing that LaTigresse said is dead on.  It is one thing to appreciate and love someone who faces some challenges, but far another thing to make them you lover and spouse.

I am also happy that you feel so full of yourself to talk as you have.. and do the wonderful kind thing of appreciating those challenged one's who are beautiful in their own right.. I admit... but for some of us.. we want a spouse not someone to care for.  Which fits right in with this thread.




Lockit -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 4:55:22 PM)

Nice move Lookie.. editing that out... I should have quoted you. 




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 6:02:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Nice move Lookie.. editing that out... I should have quoted you. 


Well, actually, I wasn't all that nice.  I was called on it...and the person who did so was right...I was wrong (and rude), ergo, I deleted same.  The point was made quite well enough without my effervescence.




TranceTara -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 7:07:14 PM)



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Well, actually, I wasn't all that nice. I was called on it...and the person who did so was right...I was wrong (and rude), ergo, I deleted same. The point was made quite well enough without my effervescence.


I don't know what you said, but I admire you for admitting you were wrong.

I have been given many diagnoses by psychiatrists and friends over the years only to find it was a medication I took, and had to go back on in low doses for the time being, that caused most of my biochemical imbalances. And, I realize, those imbalances have made me who I am, so I wouldn't trade the experience.

Sure, sometimes I do wonder what may have happened if i did not have the "foggy head" or depressions and manic episodes? What would a "normal" life have been like? Then I must ask myself, "What is normal?" And I realize I am perfectly normal for me.

I watched my mind as I read all the posts about those that are mentally ill. When I felt anger arise I had to sit with it and find I had been sitting in judgment of myself. When I was able to let that go, I found peace. I just realized there are some people I would never be close with, and that is quite alright. I understand how draining being a caretaker can be. It is not easy and some just wish for a partner that can be there for them. I honour that.

And yet, life offers no guarantees. Illness, accidents, death can strike at any time. Sure, I have my ideal Mistress. She is One who knows the chakras, plays with Tantra, feels the energy, and knows massage. I studied massage, cranial sacral work, energy work and toy with armomatherapy, tuning forks, light sound machines and other mind altering energies and tones. I have made love with the Universe and gone to places that intense pain and BDSM has not brought me to, so one Domme pointed out, it was not fair to compare such states to a human for that was unfair of me. The Universe may have someone else in mind for me. Yes, I feel I can create my own world, as The Secret has talked about and many other New Age ideologies. But then there is this thing called karma. Perhaps who I am meant to be with is not what my fantasy is. A slave I spoke with said his Master turned out to be someone he never would have been attracted to. He had to open his heart and realize what a gift was bestowed upon him. Perhaps my path in this life is one of caretaker. I have no answers.


I cut off communication with a Mistress for I realized my mood swings were too much. She had mentioned she might withdraw, I had not heard from her so I deleted my account and there was no more communication. In my eyes I did the noble thing for I prevented her from further suffering and I could feel she had enough. I felt a failure for awhile but some healing souls helped me see that although I was not good for her, I was not bad. I can now see that and not beat myself up for it.

I also watched how I reacted when I read
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Give me a friend with what the world deems a mental "impairment" every day. Those are the ones that add color to my life. Those are the ones that can see birds when everyone else only see's a white stain on their car.

Those are the ones that can make rainbows explode out of a somber world.
I started to cry. Then I smiled for that inner child in me wanted to be your friend. lol Such is the nature of the mind, the heart, the soul. I stop to thank birds for their songs. I watch that I don't trample on bugs. I am even know to caress a tree as I walk by it on the hard cement in LA. I feel their energy caressing my soul. And yet, I know many do not wish to be with someone like me. And, like you, I am fine with it. My life is full and if the Universe should grant me someone to share it with than that would be nice. If not, I have wonderful friends and a plethora of energies caressing me each moment.

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Most of the world's best artists, musicians, economists...indeed, the worlds greatest producers of all that we today deem incredible...had some stroke of mental "deficiency" for lack of a better word.

An author I love is Kay Redfield Jamieson. She has a PhD in psychology and works at Johns Hopkins. She wrote an autobiography about her days when her bipolar disorder was out of control. She is well respected in the medical community and was lucky to find someone to stick with her through her episodes. And, in one of her books she mentioned that the year before he committed suicide, Van Gogh painted over 300 paintings. He was in a manic phase.

I have no idea what the future holds. Some days I get the thought how nice it would be to just go to sleep and never wake up. I am tired. I am tired of working my arse off for a corporation that says they care when their actions say differently. I am tired of a world in which people cannot accept the differences in others. I am tired of what we do in the name of humanity. And then a bird sings. I am home. I am One. To some I am insane and I am quite alright with that. I am smiling and know the Mayans were right on. 2012, here I CUM! [:D]




Lynnxz -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/1/2009 7:50:42 PM)

Guys, before you get all ruffled at the responses towards Lobodomslavery, I suggest you glance over his history of posts. Most of the responses to him were based on his previous actions... and not towards mentally ill people. 




rulemylife -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/2/2009 9:42:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 4u2spoil

If he'd purchased the other underwear in addition to the ones I wanted, it would have been a thoughful gesture. He did what he wanted, and the basis was in being too cheap to put in more than a certain amount. I gave him the same panties I'd purchased earlier so there would be no confusion as to exactly what to get..........................................................................................................
Further, you're obviously not one of them, but there are lots of men (and women) who like knowing exactly what someone likes and not having to guess. I suppose you have the same amount of disgust for registries and wish lists.




Actually my disgust is reserved for women who claim to be dominant when they are only spoiled adolescents who somehow never managed to grow up.  They want what they want when they want it................and it had better not be any less than they expect or a temper tantrum will follow.

But of course, that excludes "real" dommes like you, 4u2spoil.






LaTigresse -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/2/2009 10:21:48 AM)

I want just, onnnnnnnnne more little red, Dove's dark chocolate morsel.........RIGHT NOW!

If I don't get it, why I will..........I will..........I will be forced to go without!!!![:o]

(or wait until I get home....[;)])

The horror.




DavanKael -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/2/2009 11:52:03 AM)

Male/female, dom/sub/slave/switch, you're going to find givers and you're going to find takers and you're going to find people somewhere in between.  People with a grip on 'the real world' aren't, I think, going to be quite as dogmatic as thinking in absolutes or demanding behaviors that feed into such things on a regular basis. 
  Davan




4u2spoil -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/2/2009 2:34:18 PM)

You seem much more prone to temper tantrums and adolescent behavior than those you allude to.

Perhaps you're a settler: you ask for beef, but get chicken and settle because it's all food; you ask for black shoes and get brown shoes and settle because they're shoes. I'm not. The entire meal, I'd wonder what the beef tasted like, or looking at my shoes thinking that they aren't the right color. Especially if beef was available, but someone else decided to serve me chicken because they don't like red meat. Or black shoes were available, but someone else decided on brown because they think it looks better with my outfit. If I just say I'm hungry and someone gives me chicken, I'm happy to be eating. If someone says "black isn't available in your size, so I got brown," I'd be happy to have new shoes. I do have a problem with asking for what I want, then settling for what someone else decides is appropriate (when what I want is an option).

Not sure how this has gotten onto asking for what you want, but to not stress yourself with the "spoiled adolescents" who want what they want, may I suggest avoiding registries for weddings (where couples ask for exactly what they want) or for babies (where parents decide what they want for their children), or any other gift giving situation where people have the audacity to ask for what they want (God forbid it should be a woman in some kind of relationship asking for gifts that she wants). The nerve of some people! Having preferences and making their own decisions on what they would actually like or use.

You'll be happy to know that I withdrew my application for that new Housewives spinoff "Real Dommes of the Internet" a while ago.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Actually my disgust is reserved for women who claim to be dominant when they are only spoiled adolescents who somehow never managed to grow up.  They want what they want when they want it................and it had better not be any less than they expect or a temper tantrum will follow.

But of course, that excludes "real" dommes like you, 4u2spoil.







windycitysub78 -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/2/2009 3:04:28 PM)

Sorry, uncalled for - I appologize.




LaTigresse -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/2/2009 3:08:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: windycitysub78

Well, if spoiling people was my cup of tea, I'd pick a hotter domme than 4u2spoil! :)

<G>

Ok, sorry people. :)



That was a nasty snarky remark and uncalled for! From what I can see of the one photo, there is plenty of hotness.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Why is it that most Dommes want subs that are "financially successful"? (2/2/2009 3:12:10 PM)

WTF????

Black, brainy, speaks French.... Oo-la-la!

J'en ai marre, windycitysub.




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