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Underumam -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (1/31/2009 2:11:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

It is an honor...  and when that trust is broken, it is hard to rebuild. 


So you've had your trust broken? Not prying, just interested. You always have good things to say.  :)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (1/31/2009 2:13:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Underumam

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

It is an honor...  and when that trust is broken, it is hard to rebuild. 


So you've had your trust broken? Not prying, just interested. You always have good things to say.  :)



Broken?  You betcha.  Smashed with a hammer, carelessly dropped from a great height, choose your favourite simile!

The thing is, even when someone betrays me, or shows me that I am not important to them, I STILL keep their secrets!  That could explain my reputation...




Underumam -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (1/31/2009 4:20:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Underumam

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

It is an honor...  and when that trust is broken, it is hard to rebuild. 


So you've had your trust broken? Not prying, just interested. You always have good things to say.  :)



Broken?  You betcha.  Smashed with a hammer, carelessly dropped from a great height, choose your favourite simile!

The thing is, even when someone betrays me, or shows me that I am not important to them, I STILL keep their secrets!  That could explain my reputation...


I'm sorry that I haven't heard of your reputation, but you seem to have a lot of integrity from what I gather. It's good to know there are some real human beings still left..lol.




vampchick88 -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/1/2009 8:03:38 AM)

When pet found me I was in a very dark place in my life, broken, and pretty much just a dead girl existing functioning in everyday life but not knowing anything that was going on. pet was a very important person who helped me learn I needed to face my demons head on, not supress them. Allow myself to know that things really did happen but its not my fault. Taking advise from him was the best thing that ever happened to me. I did not see it as he was topping from the bottom by giving advise. He was truely helping me and guiding me through things that I needed advise to do. Because of him I'm now well on my way to almost being my old self again but a little wiser. I don't know where I'd be if pet didn't take the time, patience, and endurance to help me....probably still broken.




GoddessTeaze -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/1/2009 1:40:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vampchick88

When pet found me I was in a very dark place in my life, broken, and pretty much just a dead girl existing functioning in everyday life but not knowing anything that was going on. pet was a very important person who helped me learn I needed to face my demons head on, not supress them. Allow myself to know that things really did happen but its not my fault. Taking advise from him was the best thing that ever happened to me. I did not see it as he was topping from the bottom by giving advise. He was truely helping me and guiding me through things that I needed advise to do. Because of him I'm now well on my way to almost being my old self again but a little wiser. I don't know where I'd be if pet didn't take the time, patience, and endurance to help me....probably still broken.

That's Pure Love,
and Awesome to read vampchick.

I wish Yyou both enough.
[:D]
GoddezzT`




YourhandMyAss -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/1/2009 1:58:58 PM)

Please speak for yourself only and those who're you're sure of sharing the same opinion. I am not here to help any body heal, or to do anything for anybody or be anything to any body or make any one a better human. I am here, to enjoy myself, make new friends, possibly, and to read the forums and partake in the forums and to maybe learn something new every now and then.

Generalizations about why "we're all here" don't tend to work out very well, since all people are here for different reasons.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Underumam

Hi Ladies!

I just wanted to ask you if you see your position as a Domme in the light of helping subs/others with healing. Speaking from the understanding that regardless of orientation, we are all here to help each other become better human beings, and this is simply doing your part according to what you've learned/experienced and have embraced as wisdom.




chamberqueen -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/1/2009 4:41:45 PM)

underumam, I have been both a Domme and a slave.  As a Domme, if I had a sub under consideration I always made sure to help them when they were going through a difficult time, especially if it had to do with being unsure of themselves as far as the lifestyle goes.  A lot of subs are sure that they have the most terrible kink in the world and must just be disgusting.  I would help them to accept this as part of themselves and work with them on ways that they could get their needs met.

When I decided to give my submissive side a go I found a Dom who was willing to help me to explore.  I ended up doing more emotional healing in the past year with him than in the rest of my life.  It's not that I'm a basket case and constantly need him to help me out, but when I DO need help he's right there.  He shows me things in a different perspective.  He has taught me to appreciate myself - all of me, not just the parts that I like the best.

In return there have been times when I have helped him.  He told me once that no matter how down he feels that I always find a way to make him laugh. 

In most healthy relationships each partner looks out for the other.  (Notice, yourhandmyass, that I didn't say ALL.)  While it is often the top helping the bottom it can easily go the other way.  Sometimes it can be something as simple as a kiss on the cheek or a smile; other times something much more noticeable.  If those things are missing it can be very difficult for their to be a true trust or any real intimacy.




MsEmpwr2 -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/1/2009 6:00:10 PM)

Hi Underumam,
I think that we as inhabitants of this universe are so interdependent that it is impossible to escape the helper role.

As you can probably guess with My SN, I lean more toward the approach of helping in My lifestyle choices. When I started out I encountered many s. types (subs, slaves, bottoms, etc.) who assumed they were or identified as weak, unworthy, w/o value, etc. My goal in the encounters that I have is to empower them to operate from the knowledge that they have dignity, strength, power, value, etc. I can't imagine how I could exchange power any other way. It would just feel dirty to Me.

I don't consider a s. type to be topping from below when they offer their expertise and/or experiences to others. I know that I am not omnipotent. I don't assume that I am the Domme so I am right. I am wrong quite a bit of the time actually. I don't know everything about everything and neither do I have the desire to know. That makes Me human.

For Me, it is about the exchange, the romance, the friendship, the trust, the growth. It isn't just about Me, although that is a fun game to play at times.

This was an AWESOME question. I may come back to it. There is so much to say!
Thanks
Ms. Celeste





AlexandraLynch -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/1/2009 8:50:15 PM)

I do request that all my partners, vanilla or kinky, limit their emotional baggage to two checked pieces and one carryon. (giggle)

Of course, my four current partners have PTSD (2) , obsessive compulsive disorder (1) and bipolar disorder (2). But of course, a mental illness that one is engaged in proactive management of is an entirely different matter.

I am also clergy within my religion, and I do enough healing work. I prefer to not overtly combine that with a scene.




GoddessTeaze -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 4:51:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

Please speak for yourself only and those who're you're sure of sharing the same opinion. I am not here to help any body heal, or to do anything for anybody or be anything to any body or make any one a better human. I am here, to enjoy myself, make new friends, possibly, and to read the forums and partake in the forums and to maybe learn something new every now and then.

Generalizations about why "we're all here" don't tend to work out very well, since all people are here for different reasons.

Gosh missy,

who bit you in the ass this morning??
[sm=spanking.gif]
No need to be so nasty if this isn't why you are here.


GoddezzT`

[English is hard to type sometimes]




Underumam -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 7:26:41 AM)

Geesh! I didn't mean to start any trouble..lol.  I'm just genuinely curious about people interacting with each other. I don't know everything by any sense of the word, so I love coming here to these boards and listen to the opinions of others. I believe it helps me be a better man/human being. Thanks for everyones comments!




GoddessTeaze -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 11:15:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Underumam

Geesh! I didn't mean to start any trouble..lol.  I'm just genuinely curious about people interacting with each other. I don't know everything by any sense of the word, so I love coming here to these boards and listen to the opinions of others. I believe it helps me be a better man/human being. Thanks for everyones comments!

Well Underumam,

Maybe I can teach you a thing or two,
so stay around.[;)]

*smooch*

GoddezzT`




Underumam -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 12:24:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessTeaze

quote:

ORIGINAL: Underumam

Geesh! I didn't mean to start any trouble..lol.  I'm just genuinely curious about people interacting with each other. I don't know everything by any sense of the word, so I love coming here to these boards and listen to the opinions of others. I believe it helps me be a better man/human being. Thanks for everyones comments!

Well Underumam,

Maybe I can teach you a thing or two,
so stay around.[;)]

*smooch*

GoddezzT`



lol. I'm not going anywhere for at least the rest of this semester.




DelilahDeb -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 12:57:56 PM)

I'm willing to help—a sub, a friend, a fellow dom—if they are already helping hirself. It's simple: if the light bulb doesn't want to change, you are not going to change it single-handedly. It also depends on the issue: physical/physiological addictions are not something that I am up to tackling.

I had a play partner once who was a victim of incest in his youth, by a single mother. And he regressed to an instance while in subspace, calling me Mommy, and panicking me because I had no idea that the issue was in his history, and whether he had any conscious memory of the event/s at all! I've told that story elsewhere, but suffice it to say that he is not my sub nor even a play partner any longer. And, in point of fact, he turned out to be a bottom not a sub, and a do-me bottom at that. However, the big red flag for me was that despite counseling or whatever, he doesn't feel that it was "abuse" and enjoys repeated MommyDomme scenarios.

Point was, and remains, self-help is the first, last, and crucial step.

Lady Delilah Deb







MistressDolly -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 1:12:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Underumam

Hi Ladies!

I just wanted to ask you if you see your position as a Domme in the light of helping subs/others with healing. Speaking from the understanding that regardless of orientation, we are all here to help each other become better human beings, and this is simply doing your part according to what you've learned/experienced and have embraced as wisdom. Do you see  yourself as having a very important  role in helping others?

Do you interpret a subbie such as myself to be "topping from the bottom" when I offer guidance or counsel to others? (I've lived a very full and blessed life in this regard, and have much to offer people no matter what their orientation might be.)

OR-Is this quite simply all about you, and the needs of others are irrelevant?

Thaks in advance for your input!  :)



I believe most people would help out another (within reason) if they could, so long as the person was sincere in their need and desire for help. You do have to be wary of manipulators, martyrs, etc., however.




TranceTara -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 1:59:54 PM)

Hi Underumam,

I hope you don't mind me adding my own thought since I'm not a Mistress.

I had past experiences as a novice over 20 years ago where I was introduced to BDSM by women who thought a slave was something to hit and treat like crap. There were no rights. So, I left the world of BDSM thinking all in it only wanted to hurt subs and slaves.

Since then I have talked with people, communicated via email, read, and most of all meditated and come to an understanding of what makes me the best person I can be so I can be of service to my Mother Gaia first and foremost.

So, when I read these words from GoddessT, my heart sang for I know there are those who are on a similar path. There is no one right way, but to know others vibrate as I do shows me I am not alone on my quest.
quote:

For Me a relationship is about two people
or more, and the two of them, are as valuable,
No one is worth more then the other one,
cmon now !


And then I read from vampchick88:
quote:

When pet found me I was in a very dark place in my life, broken, and pretty much just a dead girl existing functioning in everyday life but not knowing anything that was going on. pet was a very important person who helped me learn I needed to face my demons head on, not supress them. Allow myself to know that things really did happen but its not my fault. Taking advise from him was the best thing that ever happened to me. I did not see it as he was topping from the bottom by giving advise. He was truely helping me and guiding me through things that I needed advise to do. Because of him I'm now well on my way to almost being my old self again but a little wiser. I don't know where I'd be if pet didn't take the time, patience, and endurance to help me....probably still broken.

I got tears in my eyes and my heart sang for the love pet had for Mistress. The heart knows no boundaries, whether that be race, religion, country, species (no, I am not speaking of bestiality but caring for all beings on this planet), class, or BDSM label. If someone cannot relate to me as a human being first, then they have no place in my life. I can care about them as people, but my time is equally as valuable as anyone else's and only those who have earned a place in my circle of friends are allowed in.

And to chamberqueen for:
quote:

As a Domme, if I had a sub under consideration I always made sure to help them when they were going through a difficult time, especially if it had to do with being unsure of themselves as far as the lifestyle goes. A lot of subs are sure that they have the most terrible kink in the world and must just be disgusting. I would help them to accept this as part of themselves and work with them on ways that they could get their needs met.

and MsEmper2 for :
quote:

As you can probably guess with My SN, I lean more toward the approach of helping in My lifestyle choices. When I started out I encountered many s. types (subs, slaves, bottoms, etc.) who assumed they were or identified as weak, unworthy, w/o value, etc. My goal in the encounters that I have is to empower them to operate from the knowledge that they have dignity, strength, power, value, etc. I can't imagine how I could exchange power any other way. It would just feel dirty to Me.

Thank you both. I have learned that most people have issues that may pop up now and then, whether submissive, slave, Domme, Mistress... Human beings can be vulnerable and it is nice to have someone there.

I know I have felt crazy for many of the thoughts I have had. In my last attempt with a Mistress I expressed these thoughts in journal entries that were overwhelming. I now realize that what can happen, as one opens their heart to a Mistress, many thoughts of unworthiness may surface. In my case, these ego bound thoughts came up to keep me separated. It was almost like I was split into two people. A part wanted so much to please her and another kept saying, "You are insane. You are weak. You are worthless. You are not a slave. She'd never want you. You suck as a submissive." So I'd write and write. She said getting long entries was overwhelming and I felt bad. When she had read what was in them she then knew what was going on, but such is internet communication. I had offended her, I felt guilty, she had asked me not to communicate for awhile, it was torture, and I felt she would never want me, so, I labeled myself unworthy and deleted my profile back then.

So, holding onto the thoughts that I was bad, a failure, no one would want me, too many unresolved issues, etc., I found a leather group that helped me deal with my guilt and failure over that online fiasco and have grown stronger from that experience. Trust is still a bit difficult for me. That is okay. It does not mean I won't trust, it means I am more careful and yes, I can become very vulnerable so She must be willing to hold me. And, of course, I would be there for her if She ever wished to let go for awhile.

I am reading various books on leadership, for work, and the more I read the more I can relate the qualities I seek in a leader and in being a leader to those I seek in a Mistress. And for me, and me only, this path is about sharing, loving, healing, growing spiritually, having a lot of fun, smiling, experiencing joy, not running from the pain (emotional or physical), sharing, compassion, integrity, honour, respect, ethics, morals... Well, you get the picture. lol

One book I love is called Ethics 101. I love how the author said there is no such thing as business ethics. You either have ethics or you don't. Simple. lol I liked that.

Underumam, thank you for a most wonderful topic that I needed to read. And to all you kind Mistresses for sharing your isight and hearts, Thank You!
I don't know if it's out of line, but here's something I wrote when I got tired of people wanting to either ignore me or rescue me:
DEVIANT


Deviant. Crazy. Psychopath. Schizophrenic.
The names those revered as the educated in society give
those of us brave enough to face our inner demons long
enough to become lost souls.

Don’t analyze me!
Please, just listen.
Please, just witness.
Please, just someone be there when i’m in pain.

i’m not looking for a cure, nor a fix.
i just need an understanding soul who can say,
“Yes, I’ve been there. It hurts, it’s scary but you’ll
survive. Here, hold my hand.”

1/15/2001

Peace and blessings to those who want it.
TT

(edited for some spelling errors I caught after the fact. ;0)




Underumam -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 3:00:41 PM)

WOW!  Thanks TranceTara!  I appreciate your openess on this subject, and I'm glad you were able to get back inside yourself. I know what it takes to traverse the gulf between pain and self. Sure, there's some D's out there who truly are just in this for themselves, and their comments are very revealing. I avoid them...

For the most part, the Dommes who have replied on this thread are some of the most for-real and beautiful personalities Ive ever met online. Anytime that someone has a problem or needs some assistance with something, they reply and almost always have good stuff to say. It's because of Women like them that I feel such a kinship with this lifestyle. I don't know for sure, but I'll bet they're pretty good with the kinky stuff as well!  :)  lol.




MsEmpwr2 -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 5:24:52 PM)

TranceTara,
*wow*! Thank you for your post. I will be looking into that Ethics book!
Ms. Celeste




TranceTara -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 8:58:13 PM)

quote:

Underumam

For the most part, the Dommes who have replied on this thread are some of the most for-real and beautiful personalities Ive ever met online. Anytime that someone has a problem or needs some assistance with something, they reply and almost always have good stuff to say. It's because of Women like them that I feel such a kinship with this lifestyle. I don't know for sure, but I'll bet they're pretty good with the kinky stuff as well!  :)  lol.


I totally agree with you there!

And Ms Celeste, you are welcome.
I am now reading The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership, another book by the same author of Ethics 101, John Maxwell. I have learned so much from my position at work. I thought leadership was a certain way and I found myself torn apart by criticism, a lot of it well deserved. In the past year and a couple of months people see a big change in me. I have learned that in order to lead, one must do a lot of inner housework. Managing is easier for you can "boss" people around, but a leader inspires, a leader influences people and they choose to follow. It is the same with a Mistress. She cannot force someone to submit. Through the process of Her influence, it is then submissive's or slave's choice to submit to Her, and Her choice to accept the gift.

And those are the guidelines I use in seeking a Mistress.
Some of the quotes I wrote down:
"The very essence of all power to influence lies in getting the other person to participate." Harry A. Overstreet
"Being in power is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't." Margaret Thatcher
"It's not the position that makes the leader; it's the leader that makes the position."
And by John Maxwell himself, "True leadership cannot be awarded, appointed, or assigned. It comes only from influence, and that cannot be mandated. It must be earned. The only thing a title can buy is a little time---either to increase your level of influence with others or to undermine it."

I just substitute Mistress in the place of leader and submissive/slave in the place of follower.

Mastery (whether in the form of Mistress or Leader, for a Mistress is a Leader in my eyes) takes time. Like any fine wine or single malt whiskey, the process brings out the subtleties that change a grape into a most exquisite elixir. A piece of carbon is transferred into a glittering gem. And, Mastery is a constant never ending process in which One must always be willing to learn and evolve. As a submissive or slave, it is my responsibility to be ever willing to learn and evolve as well.

I used to think I had to be perfect from the start. Ah, no longer is that my thought. I am that diamond in the rough. I am an exquisite grape needing the right touch to transform me into Her elixir. Pure potential in its magnificence and this thread has helped me see that even more.
[sm=thanks.gif]
Edited for error in use of name.




GoddessTeaze -> RE: submissives with unhealed issues- (2/2/2009 11:08:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TranceTara

So, when I read these words from GoddessT, my heart sang for I know there are those who are on a similar path. There is no one right way, but to know others vibrate as I do shows me I am not alone on my quest.
quote:

For Me a relationship is about two people
or more, and the two of them, are as valuable,
No one is worth more then the other one, cmon now!


Hello TranceTara,
Thank you kindly for your comment on what I said.
Bdsm is about people, individuals, and not robots.
People with feelings, and they should be cared for and guided
to their best ability to make the blossom. For Me Bdsm is about love between two people, and not about use & abuse in My book. I know when Love is involved it can bring Me to the highest form of Happiness.
Who wouldn't that?

[sm=yahoo.gif]
quote:

I know I have felt crazy for many of the thoughts I have had. In my last attempt with a Mistress I expressed these thoughts in journal entries that were overwhelming. I now realize that what can happen, as one opens their heart to a Mistress, many thoughts of unworthiness may surface. In my case, these ego bound thoughts came up to keep me separated. It was almost like I was split into two people. A part wanted so much to please her and another kept saying, "You are insane. You are weak. You are worthless. You are not a slave. She'd never want you. You suck as a submissive." So I'd write and write. She said getting long entries was overwhelming and I felt bad. When she had read what was in them she then knew what was going on, but such is internet communication. I had offended her, I felt guilty, she had asked me not to communicate for awhile, it was torture, and I felt she would never want me, so, I labeled myself unworthy and deleted my profile back then.

Al right, for starters not everyone is compatable,
That's a matter of getting to know each other, and things can work out or not.

Apart from that what I read here, is about a lack of communication. Communication is the key to every relationship, but in Bdsm even more so, so that has the be possible. Yyou have to feel safe enough, to be able to share everything and anything with the one who Dominate's you.[sm=writing.gif]

And the assignment to not talk to Her for a while...[sm=ugh.gif]
if you want to "kill" a sub or dump them, just say it,
but don't push them in the dark hole of "the unknown."
[sm=pushed.gif]

That's way too easy to "solve" your issues.

My own girl, who also can talk the ears of My head,[sm=lol.gif]
was told to not communicate to Her Domina all week, and on Sunday's
she had from 10 -11 am to spill her guts..
[sm=doh.gif]
Always keep on thinking for yourself,
how am I treated, do I want to be treated this way.
When you're cared for then that other person
should want nothing but the best for you.

Bdsm can be beautiful when there is Love involved.
[sm=ubanana.gif]
Otherwise for Me it's just empty.

TranceTara

I wish you enough.

GoddezzT`




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