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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 7:51:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ZenrageTheKeeper

A submissive has the right to use a safeword if they feel they can not do something.
A Dominant has the right to throw the submissive to the curb if they feel the submissive uses its safeword too often.

A slave has no safeword to use.
If a slave feels they need to cross the line between slave and submissive then they need to evaluate why they have the limit and re-evaluate why they submitted to the title of slave in the first place.


Agrees.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 7:53:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos


quote:

ORIGINAL: ZenrageTheKeeper

A submissive has the right to use a safeword if they feel they can not do something.
A Dominant has the right to throw the submissive to the curb if they feel the submissive uses its safeword too often.

A slave has no safeword to use.
If a slave feels they need to cross the line between slave and submissive then they need to evaluate why they have the limit and re-evaluate why they submitted to the title of slave in the first place.


Agrees.



Kind of hard when they are in the morgue---the walls there don't have ears.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 7:54:03 PM   
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Ultimately, if the Master/Mistress pushes hard enough and far enough, they are going to come across something that the slave will absolutely refuse to do, even if that limit is death...


And if the slave would gladly die for you?

What then?

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 7:54:07 PM   
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If the sub finds they use the safeword too much there may be a lack of respect from the Dominant--the sub too has the right to throw the Dom to the curb

and btw they are humans not garbage.


Agreed. Nothing worse than a Domme with no sense of respect.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 7:58:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ZenrageTheKeeper

quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314


If the sub finds they use the safeword too much there may be a lack of respect from the Dominant--the sub too has the right to throw the Dom to the curb

and btw they are humans not garbage.



Agreed. Nothing worse than a Domme with no sense of respect.



No-- nothing worse than a Dominant Dom/me with no sense of respect---it has a tendency to leak out like sewage, heaven help any innocent submissive or slave who cannot smell the odor.



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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 7:58:48 PM   
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But seriously...someone who has (presumably) voluntarily become a "slave" no longer has any rights whatsoever?

Where do people get this idea from?

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Just so I'm sure I understand your position...if master/mistress hands slave a gun and orders slave to kill someone, slave cannot refuse?
Sure she can refuse.....AND has the right to.

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Or (to paraphrase from my mother) if mistress/master says, "Jump off a bridge," slave must do it?
Nope, not at all.

As a breathing...thinking......valuable woman of society i have all the legal rigths given to me. As Thorns' slave i still have all those rights....the difference is i 'choose' to give up rights in His household. Master gives me many liberties, i never take advantage of that (or Him), nor do i ever take that for granted. No matter what i am doing, with or without Him, vanilla setting or otherwise......i always know my place, i always know who owns me, i always hear His voice in my ear saying: "Do what you can afford". I hate this term, but it holds so true.

I think people get caugth up in the whole: "Rights" thing. Each relationship is different and defined. A Master who has any credibility is not going to tell a slave to jump off a bridge, grab a weapon and shoot a person...etc. (lets not get into the whole semantics of self-defense here, y'all know what i mean).

Everyone has rights..........it's what 'you' choose to do with those rights. Individually, not as some collective whole.

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I'm sorry aurora, i did not mean to get off on a tangent here, to answer YOUR question.........i do tend to believe it's something that needs to be talked about in great length. If you see this particular act as eventually something you may be willing to try............wait, talk, experiment very slowly. If it something you are going to be steadfast with.........it's a hard limit then.


I wish you much peace.....


Happy Thursday y'all!!

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 7:59:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos


quote:

ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Ultimately, if the Master/Mistress pushes hard enough and far enough, they are going to come across something that the slave will absolutely refuse to do, even if that limit is death...


And if the slave would gladly die for you?

What then?


Do whatever it takes to ensure that the slave doesn't feel it needs to prove that level of loyalty.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 7:59:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Amayos, I can appreciate that there are some that have a need to be seen as the MOST EXTREME, the BE ALL END ALL of Masters, it's an ego thing and we understand that. But this type of behavior in a public forum is irresponsible and dangerous. Knowing how malleable and impressionable that some subs/slaves can be, how much they crave and need the approval of the Dominants they choose, how can you even imply that a slave doesn't even have the right to protect it's own life?

If you truly do believe that then I just have to ask, what is it that you make your slaves out of? Plastic? Rubber?

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:00:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos


quote:

ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Ultimately, if the Master/Mistress pushes hard enough and far enough, they are going to come across something that the slave will absolutely refuse to do, even if that limit is death...


And if the slave would gladly die for you?

What then?


If the envelope is pushed, lets hope one looks good in orange--


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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:01:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

at the end of the day there is still a human being and to think otherwise is well--IMHO foolhardy for slavery does indeed not exist except in the mind and heart and it is in the mind and heart that one breaks free--


And if your mind and heart gladly live for another, no matter the cost or suffering?


In the end our "self-truths" are based upon our experiences.

Obviously, you we have experienced differently.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:05:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aurora31

Lets say there is something that a sub/slave considers a very hard limit for what ever the reason may be (emotional, psychological, moral,to extreme). Lets say this sub/slaves Dom/Master really ejoys this activity. He/she is willing to forgo this activity becuase it causes said sub/slave so much distress. But he/she still brings the subject up often hoping to desensitize the sub/slave to this activity in hopes that she may some day be ok with it. The sub/slave very much wants to please her Dom/Master yet can't get past this.

Where does the sub/slave draw the line. How does the sub/slave balance the need to want to please with her own personal limitations? Can said sub/slave say this will never happen especially if he/she progresses to status of slave.

aurora


I think it depends on so many things. I mean I consider what a slave should do different than a submissive. It also depends on how much is invested into the relationship and what the people consider the submissive or slaves rights.

I can say what would happen in my relationship (based on having faced this situation in the past). I would work really hard to be able to do and enjoy the activity. It certainly may take a little while, but I would not want to deny my owner something that he really enjoys.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:10:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

Amayos, I can appreciate that there are some that have a need to be seen as the MOST EXTREME, the BE ALL END ALL of Masters, it's an ego thing and we understand that. But this type of behavior in a public forum is irresponsible and dangerous. Knowing how malleable and impressionable that some subs/slaves can be, how much they crave and need the approval of the Dominants they choose, how can you even imply that a slave doesn't even have the right to protect its own life?

If you truly do believe that then I just have to ask, what is it that you make your slaves out of? Plastic? Rubber?




Actually, no. I'm made of quite ordinary flesh and blood, but thank you.

And Master has no "need" to be seen as anything other than what he is; a dominant male. Sorry if it doesn't mesh with your own views, but frankly, you seem as ridiculous to us as we do to you.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:11:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can only speak from my own relationship, but I view slavery and limits as such:

I'm a human being, so I have mental and physical limits.
I'm a slave, so I don't expect my owner to respect those limits.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:15:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

Amayos, I can appreciate that there are some that have a need to be seen as the MOST EXTREME, the BE ALL END ALL of Masters, it's an ego thing and we understand that. But this type of behavior in a public forum is irresponsible and dangerous. Knowing how malleable and impressionable that some subs/slaves can be, how much they crave and need the approval of the Dominants they choose, how can you even imply that a slave doesn't even have the right to protect it's own life?

If you truly do believe that then I just have to ask, what is it that you make your slaves out of? Plastic? Rubber?


My intent is to define, not impress.

I take no responsibility for the "delicate minds" out there. Submissives are quite often highly intelligent and self-aware individuals, who can make decisions for themselves.


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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:17:22 PM   
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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:18:29 PM   
yourMissTress


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ORIGINAL: amayos


My intent is to define, not impress.

I take no responsibility for the "delicate minds" out there. Submissives are quite often highly intelligent and self-aware individuals, who can make decisions for themselves.




And nice shift from slaves to subs...


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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:19:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jnj

I can only speak from my own relationship, but I view slavery and limits as such:

I'm a human being, so I have mental and physical limits.
I'm a slave, so I don't expect my owner to respect those limits.



Simply and eloquently said. Thank you.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:20:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos

Hey, I know you.



I followed you home. Luckily you already know you can keep me.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:22:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

sure.


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ORIGINAL: amayos


My intent is to define, not impress.

I take no responsibility for the "delicate minds" out there. Submissives are quite often highly intelligent and self-aware individuals, who can make decisions for themselves.




And nice shift from slaves to subs...



I say "submissives" as I believe one is a submissive before a slave. Most are submissives.

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RE: Balance - 1/12/2006 8:25:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

Amayos, I can appreciate that there are some that have a need to be seen as the MOST EXTREME, the BE ALL END ALL of Masters, it's an ego thing and we understand that. But this type of behavior in a public forum is irresponsible and dangerous. Knowing how malleable and impressionable that some subs/slaves can be, how much they crave and need the approval of the Dominants they choose, how can you even imply that a slave doesn't even have the right to protect it's own life?

If you truly do believe that then I just have to ask, what is it that you make your slaves out of? Plastic? Rubber?



Because there are those of us who live that way day in and day out. It is a valid way of life that will *speak* to some people and not to others. My owner protects me from everyone but him. That works for us.

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