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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:04:27 AM   
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There are like eight billion people in the world.
The average Joe, knows something like two-thousand of them ... maybe.
In percentages, that is a decimal with something like ten zero's and a 1 behind it.

I've never had an online relationship, past a few casual chat friends, but given the percentages, I certainly can't speak with any authority on what can or can't happen in any sort of relationship, online, offline, penpal, whatever. And neither can anyone else.[/color]


Agreed!!!!


But I think the correct number is eight billion and TWO! ;)


The US census bureau estimates the world population will reach six and a half billion in late February of this year

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:07:46 AM   
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Smiles> cloudboy, I JUST finished a post on another thread to that very issue---the "labels" and the "desires" are what brought us together, captured attention on the search radar--we have had so many conversations that have opened and expanded our horizons--well beyond both BDSM and vanilla--"real", "service", "submission", "Dominance" are subjective terms--all to be negotiated in the D/dynamic of the D/dance--and yes cloudboy--our time together will be to see how well we fit together--the dynamic--he has to feel inspired, accepted, safe to be what he is, I need to feel inspired to be what I am as well as driven by what he offers.

W/we have both started negotiation--here are some examples:

Piercings--he said hard limit--now he thinks hmmm
Instant coffee--hard limit for Me--he has a new coffee maker
Stanley Clarke--I never heard of him--now I have 2 CD's
Cologne--he doesn't wear any, I am selecting a cologne
Daily contact--he missed it once, will get punished, hasn't missed it since
Shackles--I only thought about them, with him that is now a desire--(he inspires Me to medieval thinking---mmoooowwaaaaahhhhh)

Negotiaton--ohhh and notice they aren't all BDSM--we are all over the board.

as I stated before on another thread, whan I return My hope is to have one label for him...



Mine.



Thanks for sharing... your thoughts bring thoughts of the beginnings of my time with kyra and alandra. *G* and we still are going thru it.. I don' t think it ever ends. I would add, that it is not just a check list... alot of things are just learned causally from the interactions over time. And like you said from all over the board as well!

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:10:19 AM   
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The US census bureau estimates the world population will reach six and a half billion in late February of this year
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Oh man... I was wrong again!!! oh the embarassment of if all. *G* But at least this time I was wrong to John Warren and not my kid!!! now that is embarassment!!! *G*

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:14:00 AM   
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Thanks for sharing... your thoughts bring thoughts of the beginnings of my time with kyra and alandra. *G* and we still are going thru it.. I don' t think it ever ends. I would add, that it is not just a check list... alot of things are just learned causally from the interactions over time. And like you said from all over the board as well!


Whether I always agree or not with your posts ( they do inspire thought as everyone here does)---what always comes through from you and your ladies is the affection, the tenderness, the devotion, the strength of Domination and submission and the respect for the person. I wish you all a long life--and I think you should write a book for I think relationships like yours are very very rare. IMHEO


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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:16:09 AM   
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mmmmmmmmmm if distance is the determining factor that a person is or is not own or a slave... then why not Time too? I see no distinction between time and distance. Some seem to be indicating that distance prevents certain behaviors from occuring... well hell why stop there... I think the Quantity of behaviors is just as important, which is also being implied by others... how can one that is in a 1 year relationship be more of a slave than one that is 3 years in the relationship.... yeah that's the ticket! Distance and Time dictate the label of slave. Being closer and more time allows one to have more so-called Master/slave interactions. SO how much TIME together should be requred to be a slave?


I understand what you are saying... but...

I've seen over and over people proclaim to be various things after such a short period of time (I know a bunch of people that collared on first dates) that I do use time as a benchmark. I mean anyone can claim to be a slave, but I personally want to know the details - how long have you been the persons slave (in real life, not online), whats the most challenging thing you've encountered, the most surprising thing, what's your philosophy on enslavement (and whats your owners). Those sorts of things tell me a lot, especially the one about how much time because it tells me a lot about how much their perspective is grounded in actual experience - versus theory and lots of introspective thinking and supposing.

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:22:27 AM   
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Oh man... I was wrong again!!! oh the embarassment of if all. *G* But at least this time I was wrong to John Warren ...


Well, if you have to have an error pointed out on a BDSM board, John Warren isn't a bad person to do it. I think I can live with it too.

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:28:34 AM   
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the real stuff!


mmmmmm does that mean what you do is fake? Why degrade your current interactions with the idea that face to face is "Real" and therefore what you have and are doing is less than "Real"? It might not be easy, it might not be all that you want.... But if the intergity of your motivations is their... isn't that real? I think to many confuse the type of interactions as being Real or unreal when Realness comes out of the intergity towards our motivations and not just what it is we do!


No, that is not what I meant at all. What I have with my Joe is very, very real in that we do love each other and we do want a D/s relationship. By real, I meant tangible… touchable…physical. I am soooo sick of typing in front of a monitor or talking on the phone! I want my Dom in the flesh, with him doing all the delicious things he has describe in detail over and over again. I want to feel the pain from his hands, subspace, aftercare and everything else we have been dreaming about doing since we found each other. And, Lord willing that will be in 44 days!!!



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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:35:41 AM   
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The US census bureau estimates the world population will reach six and a half billion in late February of this year

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Oh man... I was wrong again!!! oh the embarassment of if all. *G* But at least this time I was wrong to John Warren and not my kid!!! now that is embarassment!!! *G*


Oh, but I am a kid at heart.


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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:38:18 AM   
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especially the one about how much time because it tells me a lot about how much their perspective is grounded in actual experience - versus theory and lots of introspective thinking and supposing.



Time is not a measure of Actual Experience... It is only a measure of Opportunity to have Experiences.

Kyra and I have been in a relationhsip of growing intensity for just over a year. She has only been my slave since last spring. But, just on the play side of the coin, she has had more actual experience than many that live with their Dominant/Masters. We have been together physically for a total of a about three months worth of time... in that time she has had near to a dozen BDSM scene's and that doesn't even include the rough sex which averages about Twice a day when we are together and maybe even closer to three! I suspect there are more than a few that would give much to have the three months of face to face that kyra gets than what they enjoy over a period of a year that they currently enjoy. It's not a question of HOW much time.. IT's What you do with the Time you HAVE! TIme is a really poor measure of Actual experiences!

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:40:18 AM   
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Oh, but I am a kid at heart.



mmmmmmmm ok now I am very embarassed *w* Are you gonna give me a kiss on the cheek to make me feel better like my kid does ???? "looking at you with pleading eyes" or is it another look *G*

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:52:43 AM   
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My question is in the context of on-line or an LDR--how does a slave relationship exist?


It exists in the rationalization of the minds of people participating in them. It's all it takes. Ask someone how their character exists in a prolonged fantasy role playing game and the answers are similar. Even the ancillary factors are common. Formal "title", requirements of conduct, form and structure; point to an altered reality that the participants chose to live. Meeting irregularly with extended periods of time between contact is actually conducive to making the fantasy stronger. Role playing in person with a character established through internet interaction becomes a personal challenge. The build up before upcoming contact must be like that of an actor in long rehearsals for play. Props and titles build during the on-line internet "sessions" create the storyline and "sets".

It's defended so adamantly because no one like their reality challenged. And it is reality for the practitioners. They can't or don't want to live together and take on the responsibilities. It doesn't have to be their goal. Some seek and only interact with people at long distance because it's automatically going to create an environment making it difficult to have daily contact. If a person really wanted to seek a counterpart to have a lifelong, in person relationship wouldn't be essential that you limit your search to a distance where that would be easily accomplished? By definition, a relationship with someone in a different state or country, or outside practical travel distance, will have intermittent contact at best. The relationship will be internet based cyber reality. To argue quality will never find common ground. I can't find any satisfaction, mental or physical, in on-line; I wouldn't be able to maintain a meaningful relationship with someone long distance. That's me, if it brings satisfaction to someone - call it my shortcoming. Obviously there are enough who do find it exciting that beth and I haven't been missed. Participants find quality and a sense of fulfillment. That should be everyone's bottom line.

The reality is there is no lifestyle "slave" existence as textbook defined. We've, define "we've" as beth & I or the "lifestyle" world, established a relationship and then to announce it to the world, we label it. To have a common image we label it "slave". It seems that submissive wasn't good or strong enough. The image of "submissive", which allows things to happen, didn't meet lifestyle community test for a person who turned over all aspects of themselves to another. "Slave" seems to have won favor to make that distinction.

I always hate using the word or the reference. It denigrates the historical and current situations in some parts of the world where slaves and slavery are all too real. Kajira would be such a nice alternative but my tongue always trips over the word and now it seems to identify a Gorean perspective. Sure, I still refer to beth as my "slave" for the reason of expediency. Our definition, we live together under my rules, my limits, 24/7. But when you meet us, we introduce ourselves simply as Merc & beth. No one else has to "buy in" to our reality. No one has to "buy in" to anyone's on-line reality either.

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 8:54:30 AM   
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Time is not a measure of Actual Experience... It is only a measure of Opportunity to have Experiences.

Kyra and I have been in a relationhsip of growing intensity for just over a year. She has only been my slave since last spring. But, just on the play side of the coin, she has had more actual experience than many that live with their Dominant/Masters. We have been together physically for a total of a about three months worth of time... in that time she has had near to a dozen BDSM scene's and that doesn't even include the rough sex which averages about Twice a day when we are together and maybe even closer to three! I suspect there are more than a few that would give much to have the three months of face to face that kyra gets than what they enjoy over a period of a year that they currently enjoy. It's not a question of HOW much time.. IT's What you do with the Time you HAVE! TIme is a really poor measure of Actual experiences!


To me its a both, with a bit more weight put on the amount of time. I do think that you can have someone who has been doing the same thing for fifteen years with their owner who has never had anything challenging happen and is very much in a rut and someone who has had very diverse experiences with their owner and been with them for a couple of years. Thats why I tend to be interested also in what kinds of experiences the person has had, challenges in terms of dealing with their owner, surprises with their owner, and their general philosophy.

But all things being equal (if I had two people that had very similar responses to those kinds of queries) then the amount of time spent being someone elses slave would become the tiebreaker. Because quite frankly the first couple of years are easy, its sustaining the ownership (or hell any kind of relationship or structure) over the years that becomes difficult.

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 9:20:57 AM   
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My question is in the context of on-line or an LDR--how does a slave relationship exist?


It exists in the rationalization of the minds of people participating in them. It's all it takes. Ask someone how their character exists in a prolonged fantasy role playing game and the answers are similar. Even the ancillary factors are common. Formal "title", requirements of conduct, form and structure; point to an altered reality that the participants chose to live. Meeting irregularly with extended periods of time between contact is actually conducive to making the fantasy stronger. Role playing in person with a character established through internet interaction becomes a personal challenge. The build up before upcoming contact must be like that of an actor in long rehearsals for play. Props and titles build during the on-line internet "sessions" create the storyline and "sets".



curious.... have you ever engage into a prolonged fantasy role playing game?

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 9:25:51 AM   
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Oh, but I am a kid at heart.



mmmmmmmm ok now I am very embarassed *w* Are you gonna give me a kiss on the cheek to make me feel better like my kid does ???? "looking at you with pleading eyes" or is it another look *G*


How about I give Kyra a kiss on Sunday and she can pass it on?


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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 10:00:52 AM   
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Whether I always agree or not with your posts ( they do inspire thought as everyone here does)---what always comes through from you and your ladies is the affection, the tenderness, the devotion, the strength of Domination and submission and the respect for the person. I wish you all a long life--and I think you should write a book for I think relationships like yours are very very rare. IMHEO



Yeah, it looks like they got quite a THING going. It catches one's eye.

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 10:09:51 AM   
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How about I give Kyra a kiss on Sunday and she can pass it on?



She will be collecting my due this sunday.... and being a good girl that she is... I thing she deserves alittle pat on the bum. *G*



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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 10:30:46 AM   
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---what always comes through from you and your ladies is the affection, the tenderness, the devotion, the strength of Domination and submission and the respect for the person.


Thank you... I believe that there is a lot great relationships. I personally have had the joy to witness some these relationships and have learned from them and continue to learn. These relationships are not simply BDSM relationships but are from a variety of lifestyles. I find that the very best relationships are not based on any specific lifestyle values and ideas, but are the founded on basic strengths of character of individuals that transend into the relationship it self and are universally applicable in any relationship. These character strengths empower us to actualize our lifestyle values and ideals.

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 12:59:42 PM   
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Oh, PS: I still don't think that is slavery in the way I view it. I think you were very very submissive to her will, but you still had quite a lot of choice. you could suddenly stop answering the phone, or one day in the 7-11 buy an unauthorized Slurpee. In the end, though, it matters most what She and you thought.


I am on the floor, what punishment does one offer for an unauthorized Slurpee??



They have to drink it super fast with a big straw, causing severe brain freeze....ouch

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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 3:00:29 PM   
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Whether I always agree or not with your posts ( they do inspire thought as everyone here does)---what always comes through from you and your ladies is the affection, the tenderness, the devotion, the strength of Domination and submission and the respect for the person. I wish you all a long life--and I think you should write a book for I think relationships like yours are very very rare. IMHEO

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i'll 2nd that. He comes through as a gentleman.


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RE: Online or Distance relationships - 1/13/2006 3:30:25 PM   
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How about I give Kyra a kiss on Sunday and she can pass it on?



She will be collecting my due this sunday.... and being a good girl that she is... I thing she deserves alittle pat on the bum. *G*




Now, I wonder how a sadist defines “a little pat”?

My Lord, do you think you should let him know that hitting me on the ass makes me angry and that I have been known to kick back?

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