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ORIGINAL: RumpusParable
the sub/slave difference, in my own wording is a level of "self" involved in the submission... both subs and slaves submit, sometimes the levels are very similar and sometimes very different, but slaves tend to give up more of their personal identity. when the actions and lifestyle of a sub and slave may be the same, the sense of self is different.
How beautifully stated---I would also add that neither a submissive nor a slave exist in that realm until there is a Dominant and the dynamic exists between the T/two. That is one of the things we arrogantly think -- all submissives fall on the ground for all Dominants--and vice versa, it doesn't work that way--your submission may mean nothing to Me-- My Dominance may mean nothing to you--I also think we expect-- if someone labels themself a certain way, they will have the characteristics WE want and expect--again it just doesn't work that way--its the dynamic--the depth of what is there. I find it frustrating when profiles ask for a specific "label" or profiles label themselves as such and such when this is all so very subjective--and that's the key it is subjective
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LadyMorgynn--Submissives = "I want I want I want... Mistress, do this... Mistress, give me... Mistress, make me..."
Slaves = "What can I do for you, Mistress?"
Then again, I may just be getting cynical here on collarme <sigh>
I agree with LadyMorgynn above, not about the labels, but about the approach---the depth of it, some Dom/mes respond to I want I want--others will not--it coincides with what Rumpus has said---if you are submissive/slavish--it will be about serving the Dominant to whatever level is negotiated--now given that-- some of My peers here will flame and say---that is NOT what you said before--because negotiation may mean to extremes--IMHO, that should include the respect for the human being--(nuff said there)--
One of My students wrestles with being a "submissive"--because of the label--he serves, serves to the max but is so damn hung on the label it limits his ability to give more or all--My lesson to him is call it something else--or don't call it anything--look at the dynamic you want to achieve within your relationship--establish and negotiate that--and nothing the fact that he serves Her, means nothing more or less to Me than they are happy and he is My friend not MY submissive nor must he be submissive to Me, but does it mean he is not submissive? It's between them.
So I see the net as the depth of the submission--and it is subjective--as is Dominance--we start out at least with an idea if what we would like, be it real or imagined and that is where the search and negotiation begins, but it needs to look beyond labels--to the depth of the dynamic.
Oh and to respond ahead of questions--what do I call My boy? What is he?
I call him Mine.
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