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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 2:59:15 PM

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I note several people jumping on the 'turning him bi' thing.. it doesn't say that to me...

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"I have read the blog on Hetero's forced to be Bi. I have discussed this with my pet and he aggrees that if it would make me happy, he would consent to it. "

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 4:04:04 PM

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well.. she said "slave" ... which I took to be different from submissive...

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I note several people jumping on the 'turning him bi' thing.. it doesn't say that to me... I saw that she wants hm to perform perfect oral on a male -- funnily enough, I don't see that turning him bi...

That might be my fault. I was trying to suggest ways to find men interested in this sort of arrangement, so my first suggestion is to find someone openly looking for other men and the second was to try finding another submissive specifically looking to be part of this dynamic.

The words in my first post are a little sloppy. Sorry.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 4:05:50 PM

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the thread in question has to do with many different things... while she said she read it.. she never said she wanted to 'turn' him bi

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I note several people jumping on the 'turning him bi' thing.. it doesn't say that to me...

From OP:
"I have read the blog on Hetero's forced to be Bi. I have discussed this with my pet and he aggrees that if it would make me happy, he would consent to it. "

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 4:31:07 PM

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The problem with giving head "perfectly" is that each man likes to receive it differently. I agree with the idea of having him start with a strap on or a dildo. If you feel that you are proficient at it, why don't you train him yourself? Have him mimic what feels best to him.

I think that many Dom/mes get a thrill out of pushing their slave to go beyond their preconceived comfort levels. Having experienced that from the slave's end I can say that the experience is the best when there is some type of reward after the act. It can turn a situation from one of total humiliation and disgust into something very beautiful.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 6:15:15 PM

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My question of why is a serious one. I couldn't stomach a lot of that thread so i stopped reading it before I read anything that helped me understand the power of seeing a man suck off another man if man A doesn't show signs of pleasure about the act. Is it his lack of pleasure, the beauty of two men together, the power of giving pleasure to man B, the control over the situation, the sounds and sensations? I am honestly curious and I am intimidated and sickened by some of what was in that thread (there was a lot of anger and sexual orientation bashing going on).

The allure of having your completely heterosexual slaveboy suck cock by your order: HUMILIATION. Its yummy. I do dream of it fairly frequently, for the humiliation factor.

My slaveboy would do it to please me. It would NOT make him bisexual, if he did it to obey me. If he were to enjoy it for any other reasons than my pleasure, and his own humiliation, that might ruin it for me.

For the life of me, I really cannot understand why so many here on these boards find these concepts so difficult to grasp.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 6:16:55 PM

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Bingo... I love it.. thanks for articulating something I couldn't

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My question of why is a serious one. I couldn't stomach a lot of that thread so i stopped reading it before I read anything that helped me understand the power of seeing a man suck off another man if man A doesn't show signs of pleasure about the act. Is it his lack of pleasure, the beauty of two men together, the power of giving pleasure to man B, the control over the situation, the sounds and sensations? I am honestly curious and I am intimidated and sickened by some of what was in that thread (there was a lot of anger and sexual orientation bashing going on).

The allure of having your completely heterosexual slaveboy suck cock by your order: HUMILIATION. Its yummy. I do dream of it fairly frequently, for the humiliation factor.

My slaveboy would do it to please me. It would NOT make him bisexual, if he did it to obey me. If he were to enjoy it for any other reasons than my pleasure, and his own humiliation, that might ruin it for me.

For the life of me, I really cannot understand why so many here on these boards find these concepts so difficult to grasp.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 6:27:05 PM

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No problem. Anytime, Madame4a. :o)

I did say as much, very early on in the other (30 page!) thread, but the people who didn't get it still didn't get it. So I gave up and moved on from there.

I guess a lot of people just don't have humiliation as a part of their kink. My dynamic was always very much centered around it, both when I was a slave, and now as a Domme.

I just would never deprive myself or my slave, of the exquisite beauty and sweetness of his complete humiliation.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 7:37:50 PM

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for me.. sometimes its not even about humiliation -- its about someone doing something just for me, because I want it.. no matter how it makes them feel.. if they get off on the humiliation along the way... that's great...

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No problem. Anytime, Madame4a. :o)

I did say as much, very early on in the other (30 page!) thread, but the people who didn't get it still didn't get it. So I gave up and moved on from there.

I guess a lot of people just don't have humiliation as a part of their kink. My dynamic was always very much centered around it, both when I was a slave, and now as a Domme.

I just would never deprive myself or my slave, of the exquisite beauty and sweetness of his complete humiliation.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 7:41:28 PM

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well.. she said "slave" ... which I took to be different from submissive...

True, but I don't think it makes much difference in this case. She's already secured her partner's consent, and was asking about how to find a third party.

"Wanted: 1 male interested in having his cock sucked by another male on a casual no-strings-attached basis, ability to give constructive feedback essential."

Shouldn't be too difficult to find such a person, but there are some that she won't want in her life at all, and others who could cause problems with the relationship if they are around for a long time.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 9:07:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Athenaofroyalty

Hello everyone, I was luchy enough to find a slave to my liking and after 1.5 years have him trained to my needs. I have read the blog on Hetero's forced to be Bi. I have discussed this with my pet and he aggrees that if it would make me happy, he would consent to it. I the back of my mind I wanted to make him my bitch. But because of his dominant personality. I was reluctant. Now I am seeking advise to where I can have him trained to perform perfect oral on a male. Any classes given in Tess or etc? I would appreciate the feed back. Thanks

Hello Athenaofroyalty,

What about buying a good strapon, and make him practice on that one first? In the meantime You could go to a Bdsm group near you,
Or put an add online for a Dom to help You train your sub.

I wish you enough.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 10:06:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: welcomerain

True, but I don't think it makes much difference in this case. She's already secured her partner's consent, and was asking about how to find a third party.

"Wanted: 1 male interested in having his cock sucked by another male on a casual no-strings-attached basis, ability to give constructive feedback essential."

Shouldn't be too difficult to find such a person, but there are some that she won't want in her life at all, and others who could cause problems with the relationship if they are around for a long time.

Just curious, but if I was to make a living by hiring myself out to Dommes wishing to have their subs practice giving oral pleasure to a man, would that make me a buysexual?

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/1/2009 10:25:43 PM

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Just curious, but if I was to make a living by hiring myself out to Dommes wishing to have their subs practice giving oral pleasure to a man, would that make me a buysexual?

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/2/2009 12:55:38 AM

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agrees with Ms Goddess

by the way isnt that how more mistresses start the process ?

my lady my mistress is a amazing woman ...just wish we would get together more then once or twice a week ...but the times we have together are amazing indeed

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/2/2009 1:17:14 AM

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The bandwagon posts, about trying to turn him gay/Bi are hilarious.

If I want my slave's to suck cock, for my amusement they will do it, without comment.

People are focussing too much here, on the ACT not the mindset, so maybe TPE of the situation and as the lady said it is her "slave", instead of the actual comments regarding the act itself.

I also agree, purchasing a strap-on is advised, for training of oral skills, then upgrading to real cock after that

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/2/2009 3:10:41 AM

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feydeplume wrote: But can't a slave also bottom when.... drat now you got me doing it!

Exactly. A slave is a kind of bottom. Next!

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/2/2009 3:12:06 AM

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Just curious, but if I was to make a living by hiring myself out to Dommes wishing to have their subs practice giving oral pleasure to a man, would that make me a buysexual?

Is that the new P.C. term for `whore'?

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/2/2009 4:50:17 AM

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I think I was thinking about this more in terms of the people who said "why" ... or find someone who's interested in that...

to me, the word slave, versus submissive is significant; it certainly means to me that they view their relationship a certain way and to me, that kind of relationship means, again TO ME, that its not about why other than I said so, and finding someone interested is immaterial... unless of course she said he was resistant, and she clearly said he wasn't

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well.. she said "slave" ... which I took to be different from submissive...

True, but I don't think it makes much difference in this case. She's already secured her partner's consent, and was asking about how to find a third party.

"Wanted: 1 male interested in having his cock sucked by another male on a casual no-strings-attached basis, ability to give constructive feedback essential."

Shouldn't be too difficult to find such a person, but there are some that she won't want in her life at all, and others who could cause problems with the relationship if they are around for a long time.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/2/2009 4:54:20 AM

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I think I was thinking about this more in terms of the people who said "why" ... or find someone who's interested in that...

to me, the word slave, versus submissive is significant; it certainly means to me that they view their relationship a certain way and to me, that kind of relationship means, again TO ME, that its not about why other than I said so, and finding someone interested is immaterial... unless of course she said he was resistant, and she clearly said he wasn't

Im completely in agreement with you on all this. I had a conversation recently about bisexuality. I dont think that 'forced bi' is bisexuality at all. Its a man pleasing his Mistress. Its not the act itself that holds any significance. For something to be sexual you have to apply the sexual connotations to it.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/2/2009 5:31:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

The allure of having your completely heterosexual slaveboy suck cock by your order: HUMILIATION. Its yummy. I do dream of it fairly frequently, for the humiliation factor.

My slaveboy would do it to please me. It would NOT make him bisexual, if he did it to obey me. If he were to enjoy it for any other reasons than my pleasure, and his own humiliation, that might ruin it for me.

For the life of me, I really cannot understand why so many here on these boards find these concepts so difficult to grasp.

Thank you for answering my question. Humiliation comes in soo many flavors and has so much to do with the beliefs and mentality of the the people involved, so knowing that the thrill, for you and yours, is that he is doing it just to please you, to prove devotion and submission, helps me understand and i am always trying to learn new things.

I fully agree that engaging in a sexual activity with someone doesn't define your sexuality. There are way too many people that have hetero marriages for a time, then go one to fulfill their homosexual needs. I don't think that makes them bi sexual either, just trapped by social training and desire to conform then free to be themselves. And I am sorry that you and yours keep running into that sort of short sighted point of view.

Again thank you for taking my question seriously and answering it. I really couldn't face the homophobia and ick on that thread.

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RE: The final step for my slave - 2/2/2009 5:59:17 AM

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No problem, feydeplume.

...Love your posts! :o)

Thanks for giving me the chance to clarify things, away from that other thread. That thread was started by the OP there, for that very purpose: to clarify the matter. It just didn't work. So its very nice to have the chance to come over here and clear the air. You rule.

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