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Straight up question - 2/2/2009 11:49:25 AM   
StrangerThan


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I attended a party this weekend that ostensibly was a birthday party for a girl who was maybe 20-21. I was approached during it about helping a woman there find a Domme. By the end of the night, I'd observed enough to say no. I don't mind helping people or putting people in touch with others I know, but here's the deal.

The woman in question has a lot of issues. She's close to 40, an alcoholic, has two children (early 20's maybe) who evidence more maturity and control than she does. In fact, at the end of the night, I heard her screaming from the bedroom and found 3 or 4 people trying to keep her from wandering off down the road. She wouldn't have wandered far. She couldn't walk that well. She would have probably ended up hurt, or in arrested before she'd gotten far. It was a cold night though. She could have ended up dead by the next morning, so keeping her from doing it was a good thing.

After a bit, the woman's daughter comes in and spends almost an hour calming her mother down long enough to get her in the car to take her home. This is the birthday girl.. She tells everyone, I have to do this all the time. Couple of mental notes there. It tells me the woman has been taking the children to parties where alcohol is available for a long time. Prior to this particular scene, the woman spent a while wallowing on a guy who was friends with and interested in the daughter. Said guy was cool about it, but not real comfortable with it.

The woman is also an apologist. I'm sorry comes out of her mouth every few minutes. After watching her a bit, you realize she uses the term, but doesn't feel it. By using it, I mean she will do something, then apologize. If the response is sympathetic because she's drunk, then she'll push it to the next point along the line where she becomes sorry, and tearful again. It was like watching an inch worm work it's way down a ruler. Every time someone was placating or evidenced sympathy, she would jump right back in a couple minutes later and do something else. This is part of how she ends up wallowing all over the guy who is interested in her daughter. By wallowing, envision the word. If he'd had wanted to fuck her, he probably could have right there. As it was he just kept trying to keep her at arms length.

By the middle of the night she was uncontrollable without constant supervison, and by the end of it, just uncontrollable. People kept telling me I needed to help her find a Domme.

My answer is that she needs to work on herself before anyone else really can. My answer is that I'd be saying I was sorry to anyone I put in contact with her. My answer is that she has a lot to learn and a lot to work through before she has any real value to a Dominant or even a real, honest to heaven mentor. Any good mentor will tell you that the impetus for change has to come from the person. And from what I saw, there is none.

So Domme's give me a straight up answer. Some of the others read this board, so tell me I'm wrong or tell them what she needs because I'm not getting involved in this one until she can get some control of herself.

But then again, I'm a guy what do I know.

Later. 

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 11:51:20 AM   
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I'm not a Domme, but having been where that woman you described is (the drunken manipulator) I can say you were spot on in your descision.

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 11:56:24 AM   
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StrangerThan, you already know the answer and T1981 confirmed it. 
Not a Domme either but the woman sounds like she's a mess and the search for a Domme is more for someone to corral a misbehaving woman, thus creating a co-dependent relationship.  Bad things. 
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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 11:58:20 AM   
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I know I wouldn't have any interest in someone like that. I've seen plenty of that type of behaviour and it simply disgusts me.

However, just in reading the story, the sadistic part of me wanted to put a choke chain on her with a short leash. I could think of alot of mean humiliating ways of changing her behaviour. Because it sounds like she would be an intense 24/7 project, it would not be a positive thing for me. Too much constant negative energy going on there.

Here is the thing, most of us, not all but most, want some reciprocation, some service. What the person in your story needs is a keeper. In essence she would be the one being served, not the dominant.


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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 11:59:17 AM   
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I know my answer and I know my reasons, but as I said, some of the others read this board. It might help in terms of potential Mistress' for all concerned to see how said Mistress' respond.

Thanks

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 12:03:43 PM   
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Oooooold riddle:

How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
Only one, but the light bulb has to really WANT to change.

Seriously, this woman doesn't need a domina, she needs an intervention. Pity the kids didn't turn her in when they were underage, and get out from under.

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 12:04:54 PM   
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She already has a mistress... alcohol.  That mistress will be the stronger dominant in her life.

Now.. why on earth would anyone ask you to help them get her off their hands and settled down with a dominant?  I consider that passing the buck...  They could lack information and knowledge... but this type of situation isn't changed by adding a dominant.  They need to address the real issues and to drag you into it isn't reasonable.

Why did you stay so long at a party like that?  I'd have been out of there in a heartbeat.  Nothing worse for a party than a drunk, ruining things and not just for that night... the effects of the party linger on and travel. 

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 12:45:52 PM   
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quote:

The woman in question has a lot of issues. She's close to 40, an alcoholic


this alone was an excellent reason not to refer her to Anyone...period. on a mental level, the alcohol is her dominant.  any substance abuse nulifies any potiential---

my preference is men, but if i knew a colleague (a Domme) who preferred women, i wouldnt have referred her either. i believe the woman needs to "befriend" or network w/ a dominant person to receive casual advice as to modifying her behavior to even be presentable. OR look for some local submissive group that offers workshops or training sessions.

my brief opinion...


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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 12:50:34 PM   
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Someone that out of control in a semi-public venue is not together enough to be either dom or sub.

It's a vicious lie that that dominants are more together or should be more together than submissives. We'll all just human beings, adults who need to be able to give informed consent before forming relationships.

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 1:25:15 PM   
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I do not like to be around people like her. I think you did the right thing.


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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 2:07:27 PM   
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You don't have to have your leg cut off to know a train wreck kills. Dysfunction isn't cured by a D/s relationship.

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 2:13:19 PM   
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Handing over a person like that to a random domme would be a 99.99% chance of epic disaster, to be sure.  I will not deny that there are some dominants who are capable of "straightening out" a willing submissive, no matter how wrecked they are--but this is because such a dominant has the same perceptive qualities that appear in your post, combined with a will of iron, the patience of a saint, and the experience and knowledge it takes to ride out the storm.  Correcting this many self-destructive, anti-productive behaviors is hard, hard work.

Basically, this woman needs the BDSM equivalent of the relationship between Helen Keller and her teacher in The Miracle Worker.  Who knows, maybe this woman has fallen apart as badly as she has because she has needed a dominant for a long time.  Personally, I am not the Saint Spanky type myself, so I would be immensely grateful if no one gave my name and number to a person this problematic.  But I know that dommes who could handle this sort of thing might exist, and once or twice I've seen some pretty impressive repairs that a loving dominant was able to make, in a person who was cooperative.


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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 3:23:49 PM   
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I'd politely decline.  Her behavior is classic alcoholic -- apologies included.  and.. really, my reaction was .. RUN
She has a relationship, like most users, and that is with her substance.  As long as she has that, she won't be able to have another relationship.

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

I attended a party this weekend that ostensibly was a birthday party for a girl who was maybe 20-21. I was approached during it about helping a woman there find a Domme. By the end of the night, I'd observed enough to say no. I don't mind helping people or putting people in touch with others I know, but here's the deal.

The woman in question has a lot of issues. She's close to 40, an alcoholic, has two children (early 20's maybe) who evidence more maturity and control than she does. In fact, at the end of the night, I heard her screaming from the bedroom and found 3 or 4 people trying to keep her from wandering off down the road. She wouldn't have wandered far. She couldn't walk that well. She would have probably ended up hurt, or in arrested before she'd gotten far. It was a cold night though. She could have ended up dead by the next morning, so keeping her from doing it was a good thing.

After a bit, the woman's daughter comes in and spends almost an hour calming her mother down long enough to get her in the car to take her home. This is the birthday girl.. She tells everyone, I have to do this all the time. Couple of mental notes there. It tells me the woman has been taking the children to parties where alcohol is available for a long time. Prior to this particular scene, the woman spent a while wallowing on a guy who was friends with and interested in the daughter. Said guy was cool about it, but not real comfortable with it.

The woman is also an apologist. I'm sorry comes out of her mouth every few minutes. After watching her a bit, you realize she uses the term, but doesn't feel it. By using it, I mean she will do something, then apologize. If the response is sympathetic because she's drunk, then she'll push it to the next point along the line where she becomes sorry, and tearful again. It was like watching an inch worm work it's way down a ruler. Every time someone was placating or evidenced sympathy, she would jump right back in a couple minutes later and do something else. This is part of how she ends up wallowing all over the guy who is interested in her daughter. By wallowing, envision the word. If he'd had wanted to fuck her, he probably could have right there. As it was he just kept trying to keep her at arms length.

By the middle of the night she was uncontrollable without constant supervison, and by the end of it, just uncontrollable. People kept telling me I needed to help her find a Domme.

My answer is that she needs to work on herself before anyone else really can. My answer is that I'd be saying I was sorry to anyone I put in contact with her. My answer is that she has a lot to learn and a lot to work through before she has any real value to a Dominant or even a real, honest to heaven mentor. Any good mentor will tell you that the impetus for change has to come from the person. And from what I saw, there is none.

So Domme's give me a straight up answer. Some of the others read this board, so tell me I'm wrong or tell them what she needs because I'm not getting involved in this one until she can get some control of herself.

But then again, I'm a guy what do I know.

Later. 


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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 3:30:39 PM   
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She does not need a Domme, what she does need is a mental health clinic for some help. She obviously has issues that no Domme can cure, unless she happens to be a good therapist.

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 3:38:55 PM   
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If sucking up people's energy and attention is something she does publicly on her own daughter's special day is something even her daughter has seen before...imagine what she is like on any given average day (alone).

Sounds like a remarkable amount of work and would likely tire any Domme (you find her) out...out of her mind.

Consider if you want your reputation as a trustworthy friend in handing over such a mess of a human being to another because of your 'recommendation'.  On the other hand, sounds like she is the perfect soul mate for an enemy lol.  *evil grin.


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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 5:08:52 PM   
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You gave the absolute right answer. She needs some serious help but she has to decide that..then act on it.

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 5:15:04 PM   
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Ironic that you posted this just days after my 3 year anniversary. Its been said before, Ill say it again, a dominant is NOT a replacement for a mental health professional. Adicts are adicts because of unresolved issues in theyre lives (anger, sorrow, regret, etc), and the substance, whether its alcahol, drugs, gambling, whatever, is a crutch.  

Now, should this woman decide to sober up, she is going to need alot of support from her friends for awhile. I went into my first D/s relationship about 3 months after I cleaned up, and it was a mess. Ive gotten better, thank god Ive never relapsed. Its a long, hard road away from an addiction

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 5:27:26 PM   
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StrangerThan,

You are wise.

Some people are salvageable, some are not. The ones that are, have made up their minds to save themselves. They take appropriate action.

She is not salvageable until she herself makes the effort needed. She may or may not be able to. Some people are just too far gone. At least she does have people who care about her, but she's wasting their time.

I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole.

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 5:35:52 PM   
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I don't know" anyone like her.... I have been around them. Never took the time to get to know anything about them.  Distanced myself immediately.

There in lies the difference.  It would be easier if you just set her on fire and walked away from the mess.

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RE: Straight up question - 2/2/2009 5:54:39 PM   
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I'm a recovering alcoholic 18 years sober. She's not suitable for any type of relationship until she gets her shit together. She needs treatment or a commitment to getting sober in AA. 

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