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kittinSol -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 10:41:59 AM)

Bullshit: it was a complete bipartisan effort. Keep on making shit up though: it's funny. 




Truthiness -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 10:46:30 AM)

As bi-partisan as HR1 was claimed to be with zero republicans voting on it.

I love the smell of naivety in the morning.




kittinSol -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 10:54:38 AM)

Naivety? You didn't even know what was going on in the first place [sm=yeahright.gif] . I recommend you listen to politically neutral radio stations and that you inform yourself on currrent political affairs. Have fun. 




Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:00:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's precisely because Obama hasn't lied that you are able to cream your pants with these current scandals. 

Obama hasnt lied?
did he say he was only going to do a federal funded campaign? YES he did , and did he , No he didnt Lie # 1.
Did he say that you wont find one lobbiest in his administration? Yes he did , he now has 16 of them.  was that a lie?
take the blinders off , the king has no clothes .
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/03/the-list-of-lobbyists-in-the-obama-administration/
the list of lobbyists.






DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:01:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

So at what point does Obama take responsibility?  You can blame others around Obama for only so long.  When does the situation get to the point where Obama chews out his inner circle so they start doing their job correctly?  Unless Obama doesn't really care about any of this?



Good question. But I dont think the public is making as much hay out of this as the 24 hr news outfits or the hard partisan hacks are.

Enough of the public realizes the country is on fire, financially speaking.   If your house was on fire, do you really care if all the firefighters who show up are 100% paid up on their taxes?  Most of the public doesnt care, either, and as such, Obama's getting a pretty good pass from the public for his blunders so far. 









Truthiness -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:02:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Naivety? You didn't even know what was going on in the first place


And you accuse me of making stuff up.




rulemylife -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:02:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Why wasnt Richard armitage ever charged???  He was the original sorce but since he was against the war no charges againt him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-corn/novak-vs-armitage-was-t_b_29400.html

David Corn

Posted September 13, 2006 | 11:52 PM (EST)
The book I co-wrote with Michael Isikoff, Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, has set off a dispute between conservative columnist Bob Novak and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. The book--which recounts the behind-the-scenes battles that went on within the CIA, the State Department, Congress and the White House over the administration's case for war before and after the Iraq invasion--discloses that Armitage was the original source for the Novak column of July 14, 2003, which outed Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA "operative on weapons of mass destruction." (The book also reveals that Valerie Wilson was operations chief for the clandestine Joint Task Force on Iraq and oversaw espionage operations aimed at gathering intelligence on Saddam Hussein's supposed WMDs.) Following the book's release, Armitage publicly confessed and apologized to Valerie Wilson and her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson. He said that the leak had been an inadvertent slip, an act of gossip that came during an interview with Novak about Colin Powell and the State Department. Armitage claimed he had merely told Novak--in an off-the-cuff fashion--"I think his wife works out there," meaning the CIA.




Didn't you just answer your own question?

He wasn't charged because the prosecution could not find a legal basis to bring charges.

Just like Cheney wasn't charged, because he had plausible deniability. 

Libby became the fall guy, undoubtedly with a prior understanding that he would never spend a day in jail, and would be lucratively rewarded with a high-level private sector position afterward.




kittinSol -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:04:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL Falsitude

That move basicly is about putting another Democrat into that senate seat, theoretically making the Senate filibuster proof.



You do make stuff up :-) .

Incidentally, in case you've become interested in facts ... Bonnie Newman replaces Judd Gregg in the senate.




Truthiness -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:11:24 AM)

Yep, I know.  Doesn't change the fact that a lot of Democrats (including the one in the house I worked for) was hopeful to see the seat replaced by a Democrat, and dissapointed when Gregg countered that.




kittinSol -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:17:58 AM)

[sm=rofl.gif]




Mercnbeth -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:18:31 AM)

I just hope Gregg follows through with the plan he put forth in 1995.
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President Obama’s new candidate to run the Commerce Department voted in favor of abolishing the agency as a member of the Budget Committee and on the Senate floor in 1995.
Source: http://www.cqpolitics.com/mobile/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003022841 


However this quote explains why he's welcome in the Obama Administration:
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Ultimately, the Commerce Department survived, and Gregg has since shown more interest than most of his Republican colleagues in funding some of its agencies, particularly the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


Once a bureaucrat gets money in their hands - they rarely give it back, and NEVER succeed in accomplishing what any agency, temporary or permanent, was established to do.

The ONLY growth industry in this economy - Government bureaucracy and bureaucrats. Not a coincident also the only industry that can print its own money and mandate sales (taxes) without an alternative vendor, under penalty of prosecution.

Unless, of course, you are up for a cabinet position - then "sorry" suffices and you are 'sentenced' back to elected office.




rulemylife -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:22:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: corysub


You are going to compare tax evasion to a guy who made a comment at the Strom Thurmond's birthday party!
  Is that all it takes these days to get someone knickers in a bunch...Any facts to support that Trent Lott actually was a racist?  If you are going to judge every southerner for actions over the years since reconstruction we might as well seperate out into the gray and blue again.  Seems democrats harp on every word uttered by a republican, demand death, firing, or dismemberment, and yet look the other way and honor people like Sen. Robert Byrd, a former leader in the KKK, or a Jessie Jackson who refered to NYC as "Himmie Town".  If you want to pick on a racist party...look to the democrats who had a Governor stand in the door to block little children from entering a school because of their color, or a democrat Congress that fought the Civil Rights Act of 1964!  Sorry...I don't by todays thinly guised hatred for Bush, for republican, for anyone to the right of Barney Frank as a reason for concern over racism.  Not these days, and not after white people elected a black president.  I think the Obama is a 100% threat to the economic health and safety of our country...but that opinion is based on his radical life history...not the color of his black father. And I sure as hell don't like him 50% because he is half white!...his color is a "distraction" used by liberals.


No, I'm not.

You did.

I was only pointing out that what you referred to as Lott's innocent joke clearly wasn't.  In fact, it really wasn't even a joke, it was a statement.  I invite you to look back into the C-Span coverage to remind yourself.

As far as the rest of this nonsense, I'm not going to enter a pissing match about which party was more racist.

You started the comparison between Lott and the appointees' tax problems.  Which, by the way, as has been previously pointed out numerous times by various posters, cannot be considered tax evasion until those charges are filed against them.





Truthiness -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:27:44 AM)

:p




rulemylife -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 11:30:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Ultimately, the Commerce Department survived, and Gregg has since shown more interest than most of his Republican colleagues in funding some of its agencies, particularly the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


Do you even have the faintest idea of what some of these government agencies do?

Do you realize how much private industry the NOAA supports and how many companies depend on them for data they cannot get from private sources?




popeye1250 -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 12:09:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

You liberals are forgiving sorts, for your own.



"You conservatives" are forgiving sorts, for your own. What a useful thing to say, aye? I understand your frustration though: after eight years of horrible lies at the hands of Bush, you now understand how it felt, for us [8|] . Enjoy the ride: it's going to be a real whirly gig.






See...that's the major problem. It really shouldn't be an us and them mentality. It should be a we mentality. The people should be united. I was frustrated under Bush. I'm already frustrated under Obama. I think all politicians suck and I think that all politicians don't have to commom good of the people as their motivation. I place them all on the same low level. Too bad more people don't. So says the pretty girl bending over.


Aileen, well said.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 12:11:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Ultimately, the Commerce Department survived, and Gregg has since shown more interest than most of his Republican colleagues in funding some of its agencies, particularly the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


Do you even have the faintest idea of what some of these government agencies do?

Do you realize how much private industry the NOAA supports and how many companies depend on them for data they cannot get from private sources?


That quote you attribute to me came from the source: http://www.cqpolitics.com/mobile/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003022841 

I'm not the VP and do not plagiarize.

That said, yes, I know quite well what ALL government agencies do - drain tax money. They also, for the most part, prevent private sector industries, which would be tax payers versus tax users, from filling that void.

For example, if the "data" that the department in question that you deem critical is of any value; I'll start a business today to collect it and charge for it, when it is eliminated.

But curious, you say this is a reason to legitimize bureaucracy? Information for individuals, companies, industries? Is it in your version of the Constitution that the US Government is required to provide information, critical or otherwise, to industries? The only reporting requirement I've ever read into it was regarding a census every 10 years. Where's the reference reasoning you are using for justifying the US government creating reporting bureaucracy, especially data compiling and reporting bureaucracy, at any level? 




philosophy -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 12:51:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Truthiness

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Gregg accepted the job on condition that a Republican would replace him for the remainder of his tenure as senator.


Awesome counter-move by Gregg then.  Kudos to him.


...what, no kudos to Obama for asking Gregg in the first place and agreeing to his conditions in the second place? The man makes a truly bipatisan effort, agrees to a situation where his party gains no advantage and you're so narrow minded you can't congratulate him?

Oh, serious question.......how many Democrats did GWB give this sort of position to, and did GWB also pass up the opportunity to gain partisan advantage?




subrob1967 -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 1:32:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

Obviously, corysub, you don't watch Olberman or Maddow, or you'd know that, although their politics lean leftward, they skewer deserving Democrats as well as Republicans. The right-wing talk jocks Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh are TOTALLY one-sided. They completely ignore even the most egregious wrongdoing by Republicans, and if there aren't any real issues to attack Democrats on, they make some up.


Ignorance is bliss, you obviously never watch Hannity, or listen to Limpballs, if you think they ignore wrong doing on the right.




corysub -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 1:59:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: corysub


You are going to compare tax evasion to a guy who made a comment at the Strom Thurmond's birthday party!
  Is that all it takes these days to get someone knickers in a bunch...Any facts to support that Trent Lott actually was a racist?  If you are going to judge every southerner for actions over the years since reconstruction we might as well seperate out into the gray and blue again.  Seems democrats harp on every word uttered by a republican, demand death, firing, or dismemberment, and yet look the other way and honor people like Sen. Robert Byrd, a former leader in the KKK, or a Jessie Jackson who refered to NYC as "Himmie Town".  If you want to pick on a racist party...look to the democrats who had a Governor stand in the door to block little children from entering a school because of their color, or a democrat Congress that fought the Civil Rights Act of 1964!  Sorry...I don't by todays thinly guised hatred for Bush, for republican, for anyone to the right of Barney Frank as a reason for concern over racism.  Not these days, and not after white people elected a black president.  I think the Obama is a 100% threat to the economic health and safety of our country...but that opinion is based on his radical life history...not the color of his black father. And I sure as hell don't like him 50% because he is half white!...his color is a "distraction" used by liberals.


No, I'm not.

You did.

I was only pointing out that what you referred to as Lott's innocent joke clearly wasn't.  In fact, it really wasn't even a joke, it was a statement.  I invite you to look back into the C-Span coverage to remind yourself.

As far as the rest of this nonsense, I'm not going to enter a pissing match about which party was more racist.

You started the comparison between Lott and the appointees' tax problems.  Which, by the way, as has been previously pointed out numerous times by various posters, cannot be considered tax evasion until those charges are filed against them.




It's not racism that I'm bringing out..it's th unlevel playing field the media has towards republicans.  One "comment" from a republican and he is thrown to the wolves.  Not paying taxes that are lawfully due to the United States of America, by a person that knows more about taxes that 99.9% of the people in the country I would call "tax EVASION"...not an "inadvertent error"...certainly not by the man who was selected and is now sworn in as Secretary of the Treasury and also heads the IRS!  Gimme a break...if any of us had done what Geithner did we would be in the clink...not a posh Washington. D.C. office with a car and driver! 

Every employee of the IMF receives a Tax Manual that discusses the possible tax consequences from the home country of the employee.  Their salary is clearly stated as Net/Net in that the IMF "grosses up" annual income to pay federal taxes for all workers, no matter what country.  Quarterly memo's are also sent to each employee regarding their possible local tax liability. 
Can anyone look with a straight face and state that Mr. Geithner did not know he had to pay taxes when he took the equivalent amount of taxes due paid to him by the IMF as a "bonus" , I guess..and didn't pay taxes on that either. 

Do people on the left truly believe that this man did not hide his income from the IRS and, in affect, defrauded the American public that pays their taxes or loses their home, their business, garnishment of salary...and every other punishment from the IRS.  I'. sorry...but I have no sympathy for this kind of crook...who is now in a position to audit everyone in America that pisses him off!   Gimme a break!  The foxes have taken over the chicken coop!...
                   http://www.imf.org/external/np/adm/rec/policy/salary.htm
            




Truthiness -> RE: Another Obama nominee Tax Evader bites the dust... (2/3/2009 3:07:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
...what, no kudos to Obama for asking Gregg in the first place and agreeing to his conditions in the second place? The man makes a truly bipatisan effort, agrees to a situation where his party gains no advantage and you're so narrow minded you can't congratulate him?


No...being as extremely openminded as I am (which is why I disassociate myself with most Democrats and Republicans alike due to their partisanship and narrow-mindedness), when I see something actually deserving of kudos, I'll be glad to give it.

Like keeping the Democrats from having a filibuster-proof senate being one of the highlights this month.  I'm not particularly a fan of Gregg himself, nor of most Republicans in Congress, but both parties are so out of whack that I think it would be a disaster to have either one have that level of control in Congress.




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