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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 7:03:40 AM

DavanKael

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As others have said, just about anything can be an appropriate source if cited properly (Some disciplines have guidelines: for example, I got the 'pleasure' < I HATE scientific writing protocol > of using the American Psychological Association (APA) format for most of my graduate and post-grad papers; there's an ENTIRE book on how to properly cite...punishment, I tell you, punishment!).
Anyway, if you're doing a rather unscientific intellectual exercise, amassing a grouping of definitions of 'perversion' or whatever is most similar in the conceptualization and then 'debunking' each one with examples of how said 'perversion' (Or lesser derivations there-of) might be healthy rather than pathological might be interesting.
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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 7:16:22 AM

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Of course everything can be used as a reference. However it may not be seen as popular. Wikipedia is not a legitimate on a source in academic essays unless you can back up everything you get from wikipedia. However if you can't find the info ANYWHERE else than on wikipedia you can let it slide. However it's not something professors fancy getting as footnotes.
Maybe it's more emphasis put on footnotes in the legal department I don't know. However we were asked to only use academic sources or highly respected sources (wikipedia isn't one of them 'cause ANYBODY can write stuff on wikipedia. The rest should be used as a last resort.
So no..in my opinion this site, no matter how brainy and enlightened the people here are, is not a legitimate source to use in footnotes when working on academic papers unless using it..in a "last resort" way

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 7:24:04 AM

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You dont have to reference the site Subtle, you can refence the individual.

(also on wiki my trick is to look at the refeneces at the bottom of the page and cite them)

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 7:30:42 AM

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I know I used the reference at the bottom when looking for information.
But my question like other ppl have on here is...how on earth the OP is going to be using this information???
Also..the reference to the individual is so completely "hey dude what do you think" that I can't beleive it'd be taken valid unless the person would be a psychologist or whatever.
Could just as well go to a kindergarten and ask whether they prefer lollipop with a strawberry taste or with an apple taste

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 7:33:14 AM

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Well well, why don't you just drop those drawers and we'll get started.

I'll bring my cliff notes to help speed along the process.

"Hey Cliff, get dressed and grab the overnight bag, we've got a live one."

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 7:36:59 AM

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I can't say for sure off the top of my head, but I think both the MLA and APA provide a format for citing interviewed source over the web. I might be wrong about that but I know one or both do for personal interviews.

Personally I think providing a short opinion or comment from a known or respected dominatrix might actually add a little interesting touch to an essay covering a thesis like yours. Of course every professor has their particular standards so you might seek advice from your TA or ask your professor about it before proceeding.

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 7:54:10 AM

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and thats the problem.

We dont have a clue what he wants. I just think he wants us to tell him theories and all that malarchy. And his future posts have done nothing to dispel that idea.

I have shit loads of info on the development of sexuality and all that kinda stuff but I had to work to find it, I had to read up and all that so no way am i just handing it over to someone

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 9:03:04 AM

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haha thats an excellent question, Im not going to take anything word for word, nor paraphrase, simply because I cant, since obviously this isnt an academic journal, ergo it isnt a "legit source" to use as a footnote. However Im just asking for your own imput of if you think there are some valuable purposes for perversions. It would be quite entertaining to see a list of sources like of Madame4a, Washington DC. 2009. That wouldnt work at all lol.

You can use interviews as sources -- there is a specific format for citing them so check with your professor about which citation system they want.

But you have to do either a solid survey to get a lot of people or one-on-one interviews.

I want to say "good job" getting started a month plus early. So many students do not do that.

If your school has a big library or you live near one, do a search for your topic and start asking for loans from other libraries to get materials you need. You'll want to do a wide search in both the psychological and social sciences as well as non-fiction by kinky folks -- again read widely.

If your mainstream library does not have these resources consider contacting nearby or regional kink groups to see if they might have a lending library you can visit. If you are near Chicago strongly think about visiting the Leather Archives and Museum several times. If you are near south central Indiana, write a petition to use the Kinsey Institute -- you'd need your professor to write you a letter of recommendation -- then come to visit there for a few days.

Good luck.

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 11:03:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

I know I used the reference at the bottom when looking for information.
But my question like other ppl have on here is...how on earth the OP is going to be using this information???
Also..the reference to the individual is so completely "hey dude what do you think" that I can't beleive it'd be taken valid unless the person would be a psychologist or whatever.
Could just as well go to a kindergarten and ask whether they prefer lollipop with a strawberry taste or with an apple taste

Anything that is said on here could be used in any way by anyone. That's so glaringly obvious that it really ought not need statement.
I've seen perfectly credible post-graduate level papers cite song-lyrics, make pop cultural references, etc. Not everyone resonates with strict academia and scientific method and the rigidity of such isn't always appropriate.
Your prior statement coupled with the one in this post about "...unless the person would be a psychologist or whatever" seems to have a deragatory bent toward said profession. It takes all sorts be they in the legal profession (as you have noted has been the focus of your studies) or the psychological profession (one of the areas in which mine have focused) or something else entirely.
It gives a poor impression and a negativistic academic outlook to flag-wave one major over another or to suggest that one profession is less serious than another simply because the methodology and/or approach differs from yours.
Davan

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 11:11:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

I've seen perfectly credible post-graduate level papers cite song-lyrics, make pop cultural references, etc. Not everyone resonates with strict academia and scientific method and the regidity of such isn't always appropriate.

A friend of mine quoted a large portion of the jaberwocky in a masters assignment and got a first. Thats not an 'acedemic' text.

In fact you are given far more credability if you are able to quote things outside of academic literature, especially if you can apply it to real life cultural referances.

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 11:14:10 AM

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 11:17:46 AM

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quote:

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Well well, why don't you just drop those drawers and we'll get started.

I'll bring my cliff notes to help speed along the process.

"Hey Cliff, get dressed and grab the overnight bag, we've got a live one."

chia* (the pet)

hmm I thought LaT was shipping you to Nikita?

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 12:02:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

I've seen perfectly credible post-graduate level papers cite song-lyrics, make pop cultural references, etc. Not everyone resonates with strict academia and scientific method and the regidity of such isn't always appropriate.

A friend of mine quoted a large portion of the jaberwocky in a masters assignment and got a first. Thats not an 'acedemic' text.

In fact you are given far more credability if you are able to quote things outside of academic literature, especially if you can apply it to real life cultural referances.

Great point! :> The ability to do so shows that an individual is able to exercise holistic and abstract thinking rather than simply spew data onto a page.
I enjoyed starting papers with lyrics or pop-cultural references along with a more scientific/theory-based quote and allowing that to begin to illustrate the scope and depth of the paper.
Then again, I have a great appreciation for the traditional goal of higher education: making one more of a 'renaissance' person rather than a worker drone.
School can be fun and, more times than not, I found that Professors appreciated creativity.
Davan

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 12:06:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

I know I used the reference at the bottom when looking for information.
But my question like other ppl have on here is...how on earth the OP is going to be using this information???
Also..the reference to the individual is so completely "hey dude what do you think" that I can't beleive it'd be taken valid unless the person would be a psychologist or whatever.
Could just as well go to a kindergarten and ask whether they prefer lollipop with a strawberry taste or with an apple taste

Anything that is said on here could be used in any way by anyone. That's so glaringly obvious that it really ought not need statement.
I've seen perfectly credible post-graduate level papers cite song-lyrics, make pop cultural references, etc. Not everyone resonates with strict academia and scientific method and the rigidity of such isn't always appropriate.
Your prior statement coupled with the one in this post about "...unless the person would be a psychologist or whatever" seems to have a deragatory bent toward said profession. It takes all sorts be they in the legal profession (as you have noted has been the focus of your studies) or the psychological profession (one of the areas in which mine have focused) or something else entirely.
It gives a poor impression and a negativistic academic outlook to flag-wave one major over another or to suggest that one profession is less serious than another simply because the methodology and/or approach differs from yours.
Davan

My first post stated that of course everything can be used as a reference but whether it'll be looked at as "valid" from an academic viewpoint is maybe another thing.

I'm sorry but I always use this expression and there was no offensive tone supposed to be in it.
I said psychologist or whatever meaning a person who was a psychologist might be able to have a respected input from the academic point of view instead of a person off the street, about this matter, along with other doctors who specialize in sexual behavior.
And the "psychologist or whatever" = psychologist or whatever other position a person helds. There's NOTHING degrading about that and I'm sorry if you feel that way.

....and yes I often may sound rude, however that's not usually the intent.

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 12:44:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavanKael

quote:

ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

I know I used the reference at the bottom when looking for information.
But my question like other ppl have on here is...how on earth the OP is going to be using this information???
Also..the reference to the individual is so completely "hey dude what do you think" that I can't beleive it'd be taken valid unless the person would be a psychologist or whatever.
Could just as well go to a kindergarten and ask whether they prefer lollipop with a strawberry taste or with an apple taste

Anything that is said on here could be used in any way by anyone. That's so glaringly obvious that it really ought not need statement.
I've seen perfectly credible post-graduate level papers cite song-lyrics, make pop cultural references, etc. Not everyone resonates with strict academia and scientific method and the rigidity of such isn't always appropriate.
Your prior statement coupled with the one in this post about "...unless the person would be a psychologist or whatever" seems to have a deragatory bent toward said profession. It takes all sorts be they in the legal profession (as you have noted has been the focus of your studies) or the psychological profession (one of the areas in which mine have focused) or something else entirely.
It gives a poor impression and a negativistic academic outlook to flag-wave one major over another or to suggest that one profession is less serious than another simply because the methodology and/or approach differs from yours.
Davan

My first post stated that of course everything can be used as a reference but whether it'll be looked at as "valid" from an academic viewpoint is maybe another thing.

I'm sorry but I always use this expression and there was no offensive tone supposed to be in it.
I said psychologist or whatever meaning a person who was a psychologist might be able to have a respected input from the academic point of view instead of a person off the street, about this matter, along with other doctors who specialize in sexual behavior.
And the "psychologist or whatever" = psychologist or whatever other position a person helds. There's NOTHING degrading about that and I'm sorry if you feel that way.

....and yes I often may sound rude, however that's not usually the intent.

Thank you for clarifying your intent.
Davan

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 1:17:48 PM

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Cite me Im a perv and proud of it.

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 1:41:11 PM

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haha who takes english 101 when you can take risk and disasters. ummm in regards to the definition it would best fit into the context of philosophical.

People who don't want to look like an idiot for the rest of their lives every time they write something?

People who want to be able to proofread their own papers as much as possible?

People who want to get jobs where written communication is important? You'd be surprised at the number and types of jobs listed there...

As someone already said, people who want to be able to cite sources correctly for papers in their other college classes?

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 2:41:16 PM

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<snip>..."What constitutes sexual 'perversion'? Are sexual perversions inherently bad or can they serve some valuable purpose?"...<snip>

it's not "what" constitutes sexual perversion; it's "who" because behavior that is consensual and of legal age isn't really perverted for those doing it, only to outsiders would it be viewed in such a light...

so, since sexual perversions don't really exist for those partaking in a little good fun, only to those on the outside looking in, they are bad and serve no purpose to those who see certain acts as being perverted...

now if you want to discuss sexually deviant behavior, i won't have to talk in circles so much

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 5:37:54 PM

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hmm I thought LaT was shipping you to Nikita?

OMG! A Cruise?! OMG!

Will there be a galley with glistening chains and slave pecs
singing row, row, row your boat to the crack of a whip?

Hit it............

"If they could see you now, out on a fun ship cruise,
eating fancy food and doing what you do.

I'd like your friends back home to get a good look,
at the first rate Carnival Cruise that you took.

All I can say is WOW, hey look at where you are".......

STOP THE FUCKIN MUSIC!

That'll do Kathie Lee, that'll do.

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RE: University Essay Help - 2/4/2009 6:34:17 PM

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Is this a research essay, or a personal/persuasive one?

If the latter, then there's no real issue of citing people if sources, though you may think about citing 'collarchat.com' and this direct thread as you make generalizations.

Generally, to me, sexual 'perversions' are any sexual contact that does not further procreation.

I loves me some perversions >:D

EDIT: if, not as >.> I was thinking of asses because of the question and instead of 'if' typed 'as'. Go figure.

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