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missturbation -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:25:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rednicky

I've never even spoken to you before missturbation yet you still laughed at my serious post. What did I do to you to deserve such treatment?

I'm not over sensitive. The people here are just insensitive. I don't see why it's allowed in the first place. You can't act that way because it's rude. Or, at least, you shouldn't.


NO. I laughed at a comment that colouredin had made. I did NOT laugh at you and i did NOT laugh at your post. There was nothing funny about your op at all!!
The only reason you are upset is because some people have not given you the sympathy you were looking for. Well i'm sorry hun but you need to wake up and smell the coffee, life doesn't always treat us well, people don't always agree with us. Its just the way it goes - shit happens.
If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen !!




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:25:26 PM)

Addressing the OP:  It is perfectly ok to post a rant.  We do it all the time.  The I Hate It When....thread is for anyone & everyone to post rants or whatever.  Rants can be good for the soul.  I love ranting!!!!!

Unfortunately, when you start a thread to put your rant out to the general public, the general public gets to post what they think of your rant.  So, if you only want people to agree with you, don't put it on a public board.  I think that's been stated numerous times.  The written word can be interpreted & re-interpreted & misinterpreted.  A good example of this is the Bible.  How many different interpretations of each verse in the Bible have you read, heard, seen, written?  Or any other written work for that matter. 

My Father taught me to think by having discussions, often heated discussions.  And if we both agreed on a subject, he would take the other side to make me think, to force me to look at my opinions, back them up with facts, to come up with a cogent defense for my opinion or belief.  For this reason, I truly enjoy discussions such as this one.  I have yet to see any flaming going on.  People have been quite polite on this thread, giving their opinions with seriousness & with humor.  It's all to make you think.  About your feelings, about your beliefs, about your opinions.  I truly hope that you can use it in this way.  Nobody hates you here.  It's a good community.  Stay & learn or leave.  It's totally up to you.  As far as I'm concerned, it would be so much better if you stayed.  You have already contributed much.  If only by making the rest of us think.  [:)]




DavanKael -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:30:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rednicky

Well it's a rant tigress. It's how I feel. And no one who rants wants to hear how wrong they are. Just like I wouldn't go on a thread that I disagreed with and say 'why' I disagreed, I would expect others to follow that principle and leave threads they don't agree with or like alone. If someone had an abortion and vented in a thread about how they felt about it, it wouldn't be right to go to that thread and complain about how you hate abortion and say that people who abort are monsters. I suppose I expected the same logic to be applied here.


Ummmm, the threads are for posting thoughts and feedback.  Once you put up a thread, yo don't have any control over what sort of feedback you get.  Now, if you post that you want people to blow steam up your ass all day long, perhaps if you catch people in a particularly sedate frame, that may float but I'm not banking on that.  Really, if you want someone who never disagrees with you and you can handle the responsibility, get a puppy...but a puppy may piss you off since it's going to have needs and that might get in the way of your emoting every now and again. 
I just don't think you're being realistic; you're not asking realistic things of others and then you're raving about not getting what you want rather than what you've actually asked for via the forum in which you placed your thoughts.  Boiling it down: you're being self-defeating.  But, that's been said before and you keep telling people they are being mean to you.
  Davan




rednicky -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:35:12 PM)

Fine...No more posts at all then please. I don't care anymore...




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:36:23 PM)

*Pets rednicky on the head.*





colouredin -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:37:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

*Pets rednicky on the head.*




See thats the reaction I had too.

Rednicky its such a shame that you have decided not to learn from this, there has been some great advice on this thread, but it doesnt matter it will eventually click




missturbation -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:40:24 PM)

I think you miss the point completely. Your attitude and attention / sympathy seeking aside, in your op you were racist and sexist.
You then went on to complain that you were being treat badly because you look young. Look in the mirror, you are young.
You then went on to complain you were being treat meanly, a sign of immaturity.
You really do need to grow up. My suggestion, step away from the pc and come look at this tomorrow when you have slept on it and calmed down.




DavanKael -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:40:27 PM)

Don't you see that proclamations like that are simply feeding into the perception of not being mature enough to hear feedback that deviates from what you want to hear?  And, that has nothing to do with age and everything to do with how you relate to differing opinions/thought processes/experiential bases/etc.  People really are attempting to assist you, even if it isn't with the hand-holding and coddling that you seem to want (Though you rage against being treated like a little girl).  As was stated previously, people really have been rather tame with you when the venom you were spewing in your OP (I mean, really, enslaving all white folks, I mean, wtf?!) could have gotten a lot more harsh responses than you have garnered. 
  Davan




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:41:02 PM)

I tried a couple of times, but I hate being ignored, so I'm petting her on the head & packing up, stomping my little feet & going home to P & ORS, dammit!!!!!




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:44:04 PM)

I'm still trying to figure out the connection with feminism.  But I'm old & obtuse these days.  *sigh*




T1981 -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:47:11 PM)

I think the OP was talking about the frustrations of feminism being the image of this total woman empowering thing while feeling like her only choice was to serve under submission.....




missturbation -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 4:47:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

I'm still trying to figure out the connection with feminism.  But I'm old & obtuse these days.  *sigh*


It was there but it was fleeting.
All women should rule men blah blah blah !!
 
SHOES




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 5:22:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

quote:

ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

I'm still trying to figure out the connection with feminism.  But I'm old & obtuse these days.  *sigh*


It was there but it was fleeting.
All women should rule men blah blah blah !!
 
SHOES


Aaaaah, now I see.




MistresseLotus -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 5:35:17 PM)

One is treated in direct proportion as to how they present themselves.  It seems that if you are not being treated the way you desire.. perhaps it's your attitude and how you present yourself,

If you get past race, gender and your age.. you'll be fine.  Chips on shoulders are not a fashion accessory.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 5:54:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rednicky

Ummm...one of the rules...

Criticism - Please keep criticism to a minimum. While disagreement is okay inflammatory comments aka flaming, humiliating and belittling other users is not acceptable.

I believe I was belittled/teased repeatedly for feeling the way I felt. It's pretty obvious. Not only was a teased but I was laughed at and judged. So if one doesn't agree or feels the need to lmao on a completely serious topic (whether or not it's a rant) it's not allowed.

Well you belittled yourself first, I figured you were setting an example for the rest of us.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 5:58:02 PM)

Mmkay...

How's the self-pity workin' for ya?      [sm=river.gif]




Knite064 -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 6:01:37 PM)

Hello nicky
I ve read your original post and all that followed im not overly interested in the content but one thought kept me reading .
Your planning on meeting a prospective Dom on i think sunday next ?

My concern is that some submissives/slaves struggle in the early days coming to terms with what they are and in some cases actually find the reality is so not what they thought and shelve the fantasy and move on in life.

Im asking that you spend a little time in reflection and deciding if you have really thought through what the submissive/slave role entails and how you will react when the thoughts turn to reality as yes i read that you are having a rant and accept this .
to the submissive mind the act of someone taking dominance over them is very exciting but if you have nt been hard wired this way then you could find it suppressive/threatening and act accordingly or indeed harbouring any resentments can come out at the most inconvenient time and cause you lasting harm and frankly you do show the aforementioned in this post .

Not suggesting anything other than having a little look inside and going from there

I do hope you reflect on some of your thoughts this evening as your earlier posts have read very well of someone wishing to learn as opposed to the negativity witnessed here.(justified or not i ve no desire to decide on )

be well and know my thoughts are well intended






MissEnchanted -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 6:33:49 PM)

Good post Knite064




UPSG -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 6:48:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rednicky

I've never even spoken to you before missturbation yet you still laughed at my serious post. What did I do to you to deserve such treatment?

I'm not over sensitive. The people here are just insensitive. I don't see why it's allowed in the first place. You can't act that way because it's rude. Or, at least, you shouldn't.


Red, I don't wish you ill will, I really don't. I can gather you may not be particularly inclined toward me or what I may have to say. That is fine, I'll survive, it can't be anymore abrasive or uncomfortable than working on predominately Caucasian , largely union worked construction sites with more than a few of the Caucasian guys being racist (you maybe unaware like many people of the long history of racism among unionized Democrats). I'll tell you this, it's not the most comfortable environment.

I believe your intent was well. However, I think you may have been counting on White members - especially female - to sympathize more with your point of view than what you got. Though most White people will tend to keep quite in face to face public settings, when comments like yours are made, I can tell you that many or most do not and will not appreciate your comments about wishing to enslave them. You might also want to consider some of the women on here ID as dominant women which essentially implies Alpha females. Not all of them may really be Alphas but the odds are some of the dominant women are.

White-American culture and Black-American culture are worlds apart in some ways. They have very different histories. Well, ok, not entirely considering the Irish-American and Italian-American story, but they are relatively new "Whites" to U.S. society (after Blacks Italians were the second most lynched group in the U.S. South). You can expect to see Lebanese-Americans and maybe mixed-race Hapas eventually adopted into the "White" category sometime in the future as well. It's always helpful to swell the ranks (doubtful that will ever occur for Mulattos though given U.S. cultures binary view when it comes to Black and White, but hey! We have a "Black" President today so who knows [shrugs]). Within Black-American society the "feeling" approach to understanding and knowledge is far more pronouced than it is in White-America. So, when you communicate with White-Americans in the future it will be helpful to know this.

I do think being short, slender, with a child-like voice is a large disadvantage for you. This may never change. I know we are told we can be whatever we want and obtain whatever we want in life but actually this is not true. You will have to come to accept you physical build to some lesser or greater degree and much of what will come with that. It's the cross to be carried in your life. You probably make some physical improvements on your body but short of growth hormones you won't get taller. And I would not advise using those. Anabolic steroids for a short time under doctor supervision might help deepen your voice - and if only on it for a short period the negative side effects may be very small (e.g. body hair).


quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

You have a lot of bitter in there baby.
I am hispanic.  Which translates to American Natives who were copulating with Spaniards in order to further the Catholic ideology.  My people travelled in the area between Santa Barbara and a region of Mexico in the Baja area.  When Spain owned California people who populated there were Mexicans.  When the current govenment took over we became US citizens, but.. we were always Mexicans in their eyes.
I am tan.  I am educated.  I am middle class.  I work, I have a business, and I am a short woman who still looks young.  Growing up, I was not allowed to take secretarial classes because.. I was told I wouldn't be hired.  I got an art scholarship when I was a kid.. but growing up my art was often put aside before it even got to contests, lost until competitions were over.  I grew up in a white world with white friends.. who so kindly told me I was not "like those other wetbacks" 
Excuse me?  I was born here.  My people were born here.  And.. I can't swim.
LOL
Ok.. I am over 50 now.  That was life back then.  I learned to adapt.  I accepted no favors.  I succeeded without aid.  If I didn't have those barriers growing up I would not be the person I am now.  I would not have had to work harder.  I would not have had to learn to adapt and find other paths open to me. 
You are young.  Cherish it while you can.  Be young.  But bitter?  GET Over it!


The Mestizo history in the Americas and within the U.S. are different enough. I think the Black-American experience is more applicable to the Irish in Ireland/Northern Ireland and the indeginous Amerindians of the U.S. The substance abuse, and despair (self-pity to some) are similar in all three. All three view themselves as defeated people - warriors yes - but defeated and humiliated peoples.






Jeptha -> RE: When you're a feminist in this lifestyle...(a rant more than anything) (2/4/2009 7:15:17 PM)

I haven't read everything, but my first impression is that you could use some help and practice with assertiveness.
I say that because I think once you know your boundaries and are comfortable communicating them, you feel less inclined to have revengeful thoughts.
It's still puzzling that people persist in their various foolishness, but it concerns you less because you feel more in control and able to pursue your own interests.
And you experience at least some success in realizing them.

If you weren't raised with these skills, it can take a while (and sometimes awkward practice) to acquire them in young or early adulthood.

Everybody is prone to occasional thoughts of revenge and so forth, because everyone gets their ass kicked by life (and/or other people) sometimes.

This is just an impression. Sorry if it's way off base.




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