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mistoferin -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/15/2006 7:46:45 PM)

yes this is sad...pathetically so

I will say it again as I have said soooooo many times....but this thread seems to illustrate the point perfectly.....people who are emotionally unhealthy have no business getting involved in relationships....BDSM or otherwise. Had any of the adults involved seriously considered that point, ALL of this could have been avoided.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/15/2006 9:08:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: phoenix1

But it's not BDSM lifestyle specific.
I believe it is, because the entire nucleus of this situation is that of a poly family


Well a) Poly is completely different from bdsm and b) it's still not a poly issue, just because you happened to live in a poly house. Monogamous vanilla relationships deal with this exact same issue.

You certainly sound like someone who has no control or idea on how to live a stable responsible adult life, before or now. And lashing out at the ex won't get your stuff back. You really DO sound like someone who was jilted and wants revenge, rather than a rational person who will be getting authorities to help children. Why you felt the need to come onto this board to post about this straight off puzzles me.




RiotGirl -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/15/2006 9:18:59 PM)

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yes this is sad...pathetically so

I will say it again as I have said soooooo many times....but this thread seems to illustrate the point perfectly.....people who are emotionally unhealthy have no business getting involved in relationships....BDSM or otherwise. Had any of the adults involved seriously considered that point, ALL of this could have been avoided.


but it happen all the time Erin, and its really quite normal




subtlesubie -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/15/2006 10:40:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MstrHellsFury

for anyone who needs to know....this post is about me.....as with any post....you see only one side of a story.....anyone can say anything....and you all follow it like sheep....this saddens me so much.......







What's your side of the story then, yo?





Chaingang -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/15/2006 11:41:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl
but it happen all the time Erin, and its really quite normal


I find it revealing that you - of all people - should say that given what little I know of your situation and proclivity for self-created drama.

This Zaynub/Phoenix person is apparently not at all mentally well, even by her own account. Now this is my view only, but an ethical Dominant should have rejected her for that reason alone. I don't know how Poly plays into this precisely - but no one needs another submissive so much that a person with some kind of known mental condition should come under consideration as a possible partner. In my own case, I would consider a person with a mental problem perhaps unable to consent properly to anything we might wish to do together. So I'd give her the boot the moment I found out about such issues being a problem for her. It's as simple as that. And I wouldn't consider it being cruel to or dismissive of her, but a kindness instead - whether or not she can see it as such. Some things must take precedence over the urge to boff someone, yes?

So there's nothing "normal" about having adult relations with someone with a mental condition unless you don't know about it somehow. If you know about it, it's just taking unfair advantage of a disadvantaged person. No one is that desperate, I hope.

Your mileage may vary...sadly...




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/16/2006 12:36:11 AM)

from one who has been in the lifestyle for many years. I am going side with phonix i have seen this pattern before and traits its not in the extact words of what she says but how she reacts to things most victums of abuse are similar bdsm or not. just bdsm paints over the true threads of what is and what is not. You people need to be bitch slapped and get your heads out of the sand. and do more fbi case studies of abuse and human condition. maybe its just cause your to much in fantasy land i do not know. if you can not seperate good from bad you need help try putting on someone else shoes oops of forgot i am in a company of liberals that all they think about is their own motives oh my ant that shame. as i said its easy to cover up the truth with muk try looking for the answer a little bit closer not with blinders on examples are there if ya need them i can provide case history and pattern matching. huggles phonix keep your head up better days ahead. and for you self rightous artest of fantasy run amuk i have one word for you your on notice
namaste [:-]




mistoferin -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/16/2006 6:15:06 AM)

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from one who has been in the lifestyle for many years. I am going side with phonix i have seen this pattern before and traits its not in the extact words of what she says but how she reacts to things most victums of abuse are similar bdsm or not.


Well from one who has also been in the lifestyle for many years AND spent many years as a domestic violence counselor....I have to disagree with you. What has been been presented here is NOT typical. People who escape a situation such as has been presented, people who claim to have been in such fear.....are generally pretty thankful they managed to get out intact and don't generally bitch about the shoes they lost in their run out the door. Phoenix's accounting and her seeming motivations simply do not add up.

Now I don't know the facts and can only go by what has been presented here....I don't know if there was a relationship or not...or if this was simply someone trying to help someone out...or what the basis for all of this was. What I do know is that both of these individuals were/are regular posters to these boards. Phoenix/zaynab has made many posts that reflect the level of her emotional health. THAT should have been the top consideration before entering into a situation where you take someone into your home, start a relationship with them(if that is indeed what occurred) and incorporate them into your family with your children. If someone stating that they have an entire busload of people living inside their head is not enough for you to see a giant red flag waving wildly....then I do not know what is. Anyone who thinks that they can take someone who is operating on that level of dysfunction and somehow expect a healthy end result is not thinking clearly themself.

Now I don't know what has occurred here, I don't know if there was abuse or not. But there are children and a woman who obviously doesn't need this kind of stress at a time when she is trying to fight a very serious illness, who have been subjected to complete and total chaos....needlessly in my opinion. And to add insult to injury, the entire thing is being lowered(if that is even possible) to the level of making it about material goods.





MrDiscipline44 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/16/2006 6:47:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dragonzaymaster

The primary comments I have to make are:
- This tale is true, accurate, and sad.
- A great deal of learning and knowledge has happened for all involved and all reading
these posts.
- For my part to play Veni Vedi Veci


Truth is subjective. Accuracy on something subjective is not that difficult.




KatyLied -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/16/2006 6:54:58 AM)

I think it is unfortunate that so many people enjoy getting caught up in this sort of stuff. Please, you do not have the full story. Too much jumping to conclusions.




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/16/2006 12:04:31 PM)

firn i disagree here why people can manipulate the truth to be what ever we want you have to pic out the common strains to find the answers you can take knowledge and use it to their advantage why somethings are constant its what the fbi uses to catch bad people
behavior patter matching backed with physical evdence such is the case with pedaphlia and other forms of illnesses but what is variable in this is not what she says but whats inbetween everything drugs children if someone is threaten or feel their life being manipulated they react in all kinds of different ways keep in mind there is always the exception always be bias in your conclusions do not put your emotions or points of view into it




gbgirlz2003 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 4:00:07 AM)

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Please, you do not have the full story. Too much jumping to conclusions.


Very true. But what we DO have is a person who showed up at a strangers house with a library of her past and current mental health problems. The male in question knew this and still allowed her into his house. IMHO, he needs to go back to dom school...lol.

I would think that he would give her all that is hers and anything of his she wanted; just to be done with all this. If what she says is true (and none of us know the truth) then she should just go to the nearest labor ready site, pick up 4 large men and go take her stuff. Get out of SC ASAP; the authorities will not pursue you; they have better things to do.




ExistentialSteel -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 4:26:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subtlesubie


quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrHellsFury

for anyone who needs to know....this post is about me.....as with any post....you see only one side of a story.....anyone can say anything....and you all follow it like sheep....this saddens me so much.......



What's your side of the story then, yo?



Since this is public, why not give your side MstrHellsFury? All the guessing is amusing. I would listen with an open mind.




Dragonzaymaster -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 11:24:18 AM)

For all who have posted their points of view on this thread, thank you for all posts.

phoenix will be offline until late January. Due to stolen and broken pc, which i have replaced. Changes I am making changes in net carriers.

I hope folks continue to add to this post. I will check it daily.




MHOO314 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 11:31:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dragonzaymaster

For all who have posted their points of view on this thread, thank you for all posts.

phoenix will be offline until late January. Due to stolen and broken pc, which i have replaced. Changes I am making changes in net carriers.

I hope folks continue to add to this post. I will check it daily.



I take this as positive steps in new beginnings?




MstrHellsFury -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 12:46:56 PM)

although very personal and private information on my family has been splashed across this thread.....if any would have taken the time to read my journal entries.....I even made a post.....of the demise of this relationship.....not once did I ever...nor will I now....say anything negitive about this person.....if I've let anyone pass through my life...no matter if that's a good or bad experience....I've gained knowledge from that passing....

any who've read anything at all that I've posted on here....should not be surprised that this non action on my part....is how I am...

sorry for all that want a big bang ending from me....there's no story here


Fury




KnightofMists -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 1:41:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

yes this is sad...pathetically so

I will say it again as I have said soooooo many times....but this thread seems to illustrate the point perfectly.....people who are emotionally unhealthy have no business getting involved in relationships....BDSM or otherwise. Had any of the adults involved seriously considered that point, ALL of this could have been avoided.


What is Emotional Health in the first place? You make it sound easy to determine who is emotional healthy and who is not. Yes it is great that a person should be healthy mentally before entering into a lifestyle relationship, any relationship for that matter. But, I find it rather simple thinking to consider that it is so easy to identify the emotional unhealthy person compared to the emotional healthy person. Always easy to tell it's a train wreck after the fact... but not so easy to say that it will be a train wreck! Many mental conditions are actually not apparent until the person gets intimately involved within the relationship, some take great pains to hid a condition. Sure some flags are rather obvious, but it is the ones that are not so obvious that get people.

Secondly, not everyone is mental health professionals. They are not tuned to the finer points of behavior that are flags to ones emotional and mental state. It is also needs to be considered that some situations will give rise to the emotional unbalance. Stress can cause a great amount of strain and cause a person behaviors to shift dramatically. Breakdowns, Depression and other emotional conditions have and do happen to very normal people in every other way, and sometimes it not a question of emotional unhealthness, but a pure question of stress of situation that results in these irrational behaviors.

quote:

Had any of the adults involved seriously considered that point, ALL of this could have been avoided.


The Judgemental thoughts behind this statement are Simple thinking... Pathetically So! What is been shared on the board is not near enough to make any claims of judgement towards one party or another in this issue. It can't be claimed that anyone is mentally unhealthy or otherwise and even that such a situation could of been avoided in this case. Of course you might be alittle wiser than I, and can judge a situation on just a grain of thoughts without any actual fact on the truth of them.




mistoferin -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 4:08:25 PM)

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It can't be claimed that anyone is mentally unhealthy or otherwise and even that such a situation could of been avoided in this case. Of course you might be alittle wiser than I, and can judge a situation on just a grain of thoughts without any actual fact on the truth of them.


Just a grain of thoughts? Maybe you may have a bit more insight if you checked out some of the posts that zaynab made public on these boards. It doesn't take a mental health professional or even someone who is very insightful to understand that her posts are not the words of someone who is emotionally stable. There are major issues going on. She talks of abuse so severe that it caused her personality to fragment into at least 20 alter personalities and "many more". She has conversations with these alters and even signs contracts with them. Now, maybe I am weird, but if someone told these things to me about themselves prior to getting emotionally involved with them....I would have to say that I did not feel that person had a "partner in life" kind of potential. But then again....I'm just a cold hearted, simple minded, judgemental bitch so what do I know? But hey...don't take my word for it....these are her words:

quote:

I hope it will be helpful to someone out there to see what a system of alters is like. No two systems are alike, but here's mine.... for what it's worth.....

Zaynab ~ the queen of my alter group, so I use her name. lately, she and I have been sharing control. When I am exhausted, I rest mentally and she takes over. She's been the one on this website 99% of the time.

Peter ~ my ISH (Internal Self Helper), he's 22 years old, average build, nice looking, sandy hair a bit shaggy, he's always on an even keel emotionally... no matter what... non-judgemental..... he's the calm in the eye of the storm... he can get pissy and argumentative with me at times, but we dont do that anymore.... he was an imaginary friend i had for years as a child

Ilehya ~ 22 also, female, gorgeous, regal, spoiled princess, bitter, a bit angry, lonely, a bit snippy and sarcastic at times, waist length blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, romantic alter.

Sabrina ~ late 20's, early 30's, waist length black hair, big brown eyes, olive skin, she is my extreme masochist, sexual alter

Estelle ~ early 20's, peachy type, medium blonde hair, beautiful, slap & tickle type, laughs a lot, just wants to have fun, sexual alter

ED ~ late 30's, robust male, bi-racial, very aggressive, ruthless, addicted to sex, xxxxxx rated, needs improvement with his conscious

Hunter ~ late 30's, repentant abuser, mature, nice, hard worker, responsible, good looking, cooperative

Lawyer ~ early 30's, blonde hair, blue eyes, paranoid, keeps insisting I go to law school for him but I'm not going to do that

Jade ~ 9 years old, black shoulder length hair, brown eyes, fair skin, thin, she's spunky and strong, very optimistic

Lisa ~ 4 years old, short blonde hair, big blue eyes, a real cutie

Gandolph ~ ageless (he says), thinks he's omnipotent, his goal is to have me go to his dark kingdom forever.... uh huh, ya right!

Link ~ about 9 years old, short with dark hair boy, extremely angry and bitter, learning to behave, Gandolph's side-kick

Old n' Creaky ~ 99 years old, when she's out I have severe athralgia and all my joints creak and pop a lot, I feel very sick when she visits but I like her so much, she's always welcome, she has great wisdom and is very practical, very nice and funny alter, happens to be one of my Dom's favorite alters, nonsexual alter

Aine ~ formerly known as "the crying baby", she is about 3 months old. I don't know if she is the original me and I am nothing more than the first alter created when she was abused, or if she was the first alter to be created, this is controversial in the DID world.... regardless, with therapy, Aine is not crying anymore thank god....

Alice ~ mid 30's, she is a total mental wreck. Paranoid to an extreme. With therapy, I now have her calm at least and peaceful.

Charlie ~ late 70's, he is an indian chief.... he is quiet and skeptical of everything.

Debbie ~ early 20's, the most interesting to me, shy and quiet all the time, but i found out that Debbie has been out for years in fugue states so in real life she has tons of friends, all people I've never met before.... it's very embarrassing but everyone seems to love her!
Debbie is a virgin, is very plain, a bit overweight and is very nice.

Housekeeper & Cookess ~ two alters who are mostly "functions".... Cookess has made banquet meals for 35 people in only 4 hours, including grocery shopping and cooking a stuffed turkey but I myself find it hard to make spaghetti with sauce from a jar.

LeeLoo ~ late 20's, very sexy, she is on the wagon as she had a severe drinking problem, she is bitter and sarcastic, sexual alter.

Miles ~ late 30's male alter, he's the chauffer and drove us to florida many times, as for me, I can only drive within ten miles from our house, or my mind goes blank and i forget where i am.

There are many more alters, but I think this gives a good cross-section of who is in my system.

< Message edited by zaynab -- 7/3/2005 1:10:42 PM >

_____________________________

zaynab[DM]


quote:

Sure some flags are rather obvious, but it is the ones that are not so obvious that get people.


How much more obvious would you need them to be?





MHOO314 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 4:42:26 PM)

Holy shit, what the hell is all of that??? If that isn't schizophrenia, I am the Queen of England




DesertRat -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 4:46:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

Holy shit, what the hell is all of that??? If that isn't schizophrenia, I am the Queen of England


The Queen? Now don't you start!

Bob




MHOO314 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 4:49:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesertRat

quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

Holy shit, what the hell is all of that??? If that isn't schizophrenia, I am the Queen of England


The Queen? Now don't you start!



Bob


LMAO, Kneel peasant subject!

oh oh sorry, alter lapse there






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