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KnightofMists -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 4:50:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin It doesn't take a mental health professional or even someone who is very insightful to understand that her posts are not the words of someone who is emotionally stable. There are major issues going on. She talks of abuse so severe that it caused her personality to fragment into at least 20 alter personalities and "many more". She has conversations with these alters and even signs contracts with them. Now, maybe I am weird, but if someone told these things to me about themselves prior to getting emotionally involved with them....I would have to say that I did not feel that person had a "partner in life" kind of potential. But then again....I'm just a cold hearted, simple minded, judgemental bitch so what do I know? But hey...don't take my word for it....these are her words: it actually does take a health professional to properly and effectively make a sound opinion of a persons mental health condition and even they get it wrong at times! Secondly, you assume what is put on the board is a some sort of truth... hell.. the whole thing can be just one big lie.... guess that is why professionals actually like to met someone before they make educated opinions on a person's mental health and don't base it on some writings on a medium that is ripe to be used to misrepresent or mislead others if one so desired it. I suppose I like to have a great validation that what is said by her on the boards has any truth in her reality. So the words... well are just that... just words on a screen and have no meaning without validation beyond anything this medium can provide.... I guess I just like alittle more substance before I determine someone is emotional unstable.... I recognize that there are other possiblities.. possiblities that can't be confirm in an online environment. I wouldn't call cold hearted... but reckless in your judgement becuase you take what was shown on the boards as truth and the whole truth. All it does is raise a concern of drama... enough I might say that I wouldn't want anything to do with the person.. but then beyond that... it doesn't really say much about the person except they are creating drama... maybe because of illness, maybe with intent to cause it, maybe some other reason.

Mercnbeth -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 5:00:39 PM)
quote: Secondly, you assume what is put on the board is a some sort of truth... hell.. the whole thing can be just one big lie.... guess that is why professionals actually like to met someone before they make educated opinions on a person's mental health and don't base it on some writings on a medium that is ripe to be used to misrepresent or mislead others if one so desired it. I suppose I like to have a great validation that what is said by her on the boards has any truth in her reality. So the words... well are just that... just words on a screen and have no meaning without validation beyond anything this medium can provide.... I guess I just like alittle more substance before I determine someone is emotional unstable.... I recognize that there are other possiblities.. possiblities that can't be confirm in an online environment. Next time I need to argue against the validity of on-line "relationships" may I quote you?

EvilGeoff -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 6:48:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 Holy shit, what the hell is all of that??? If that isn't schizophrenia, I am the Queen of England Pleased t' meetcha Yer Majesty! It would be indicative of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). Schizophrenia is the "voices in my head" thing, not the many people in one head thing. looks up and whistles quietly... saying nothing about Charles... or Arigus... or The Beast..

MHOO314 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 7:07:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 Holy shit, what the hell is all of that??? If that isn't schizophrenia, I am the Queen of England Pleased t' meetcha Yer Majesty! It would be indicative of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). Schizophrenia is the "voices in my head" thing, not the many people in one head thing. looks up and whistles quietly... saying nothing about Charles... or Arigus... or The Beast.. ahh the Queen stands corrected, thank you and let Me Knight you---MPD would be what Sybil had?

EvilGeoff -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 7:16:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 ahh the Queen stands corrected, thank you and let Me Knight you---MPD would be what Sybil had? WOWSERS! Now I'm officially SIR Evil Geoff! Woooo - HOO! And that would be correcto-mundo about Sybil. Thank you DSM-IV! YIK, - Geoff

mistoferin -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 9:10:28 PM)
quote: it actually does take a health professional to properly and effectively make a sound opinion of a persons mental health condition and even they get it wrong at times! Secondly, you assume what is put on the board is a some sort of truth... hell.. the whole thing can be just one big lie.... guess that is why professionals actually like to met someone before they make educated opinions on a person's mental health and don't base it on some writings on a medium that is ripe to be used to misrepresent or mislead others if one so desired it. I suppose I like to have a great validation that what is said by her on the boards has any truth in her reality. So the words... well are just that... just words on a screen and have no meaning without validation beyond anything this medium can provide.... I guess I just like alittle more substance before I determine someone is emotional unstable.... I recognize that there are other possiblities.. possiblities that can't be confirm in an online environment. I wouldn't call cold hearted... but reckless in your judgement becuase you take what was shown on the boards as truth and the whole truth. All it does is raise a concern of drama... enough I might say that I wouldn't want anything to do with the person.. but then beyond that... it doesn't really say much about the person except they are creating drama... maybe because of illness, maybe with intent to cause it, maybe some other reason. KnightofMists, Seriously now, with all due respect, these ARE message boards....and every one of us here comes on and states our opinions based upon the typewritten words of another. Zaynab/Phoenix could be the sweetest most mentally grounded person in the world...but I gave my opinion based upon her own words and representations on this screen. That is all any one of us can do. Every time we write a response here, we are basing that response on what was written here. It is the only thing we have to go on as you are correct....we have no means of validation. If we just simply assume that every statement on here is a complete fabrication....why then would we even take the time to respond or for that matter even form an opinion. I am sorry if you disagree with my opinion, but it is MY opinion....one that I formed based upon the words written here, which is again....what I have to go on. I based that opinion upon my own qualifications and experiences working in the mental health field. I based that opinion on my own gut feelings and instincts. I do not expect you to agree with it or own it....for then it would no longer be MY opinion but YOURS. What I find funny is that whenever someone posts on these boards in regards to abuse, there is never a shortage of people who are out there naysaying that it's all hype and doesn't exist. I am not normally a member of that crowd as I've stated before I generally try to give the benefit of the doubt so as not to risk closing the door on someone who is really in need. I have been called a fool more than once for offering assistance to someone and sticking my neck out, because as we know....this place is ridden with drama queens....or so I have been told. I would always rather end up to be the fool than to have turned my back on someone for who I may have been able to help. Now this is the first time here that I have, right from the start...before I ever even knew who Phoenix was.....had a gut feeling that something here was all wrong. I have learned over the course of my life to listen to my instincts. Regardless of if this is an accurate accounting of what has occurred...and I have not in any way stated that I know what the facts here really are...it IS sad that this tale...this airing of dirty laundry....or attempt to ruin reputations...or whatever it is that we are dealing with here, has ended up here in front of all of us. Just the mere fact that all of this has been posted here says something to me of the person...their maturity level, their problem solving abilities....and yes, their emotional stability. That is an observation I make based on nothing more than my own opinion that mature, responsible, level headed, emotionally stable adults do not present in the manner that we have witnessed here. Of course as with all else, your own opinion may differ greatly and you may have gotten something completely different out of all of this than I. But that's ok. I promise I won't fault you for having your own.

stef -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 10:17:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 ahh the Queen stands corrected, thank you and let Me Knight you---MPD would be what Sybil had? WOWSERS! Now I'm officially SIR Evil Geoff! Woooo - HOO! And that would be correcto-mundo about Sybil. Thank you DSM-IV! Ther term MPD is no longer used as a diagnosis and it's been removed from the DSM. It's now called Dissociative Identity Disorder (300.14). ~stef

Chaingang -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 10:58:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef The term MPD is no longer used as a diagnosis and it's been removed from the DSM. It's now called Dissociative Identity Disorder (300.14). Wiki says the name change doesn't help the diagnosis from being crap, so call it what you will: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder Forgive me if I find the comparison to the Salem Witch Trials quite astute. I am very suspicious of the veracity of this particular diagnosis. Seems like just one more "Cult of Fear" aspect of American culture to me.

ExistentialSteel -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/17/2006 11:28:17 PM)
As an aside, the book and movie, The Three Faces of Eve, was written about a woman in Augusta, Georgia where I live. The psychiatrists who wrote it were professors at the medical school here. Joanne Woodward, from Thomasville, Georgia, won an Oscar for her role in the film. Whether Eve had a MPD or a dissociative disorder, beats me, but trivial information is a good way to avoid the serious questions in life. I hope this helps.

Sirandlittle1 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 12:43:54 AM)
edited to remove myself from this thread

devanite -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 2:53:50 AM)
Fisrt off I'm sorry to everyone but 6 pages of replies is too many to read! Lemme just say that I feel sorry for you and I am glad that you are out of your masters possesion, in noo way did that guy sound like a good one and if I were hurt that badly and about to be exploited all over the internet I would definetely press him down for the drugs but I would probably have the police get my things first so that they are not kept with the rest of his possesions in that house as evidence to be examined by the police after you turn him over for drug and theft charges as well as invasion of privacy, I would talk to a lawyer first but I would hope that the general concensus on this site is that you are in the right!

xxblushesxx -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 4:14:24 AM)
This is why it pays to be informed... dev...go back and read some more.

Dragonzaymaster -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 7:10:22 AM)
Again great thanks to the fantastic posts that have been made. I especially respect both KnightofMists and mistoferin for their dialog and input. Their respective points are excellent. As all can read my input on this site has been minimal. I have been mainly an observer. I have lived with and known phoenix/zaynab for 8 years. I married her before the MPD (DID) was diagnoised, and drove her to weekly therapy sessions for 2 years. I know the whole story. For the nature of this slave. She is in fact the nicest person I have ever met. She is also the most honest. She never has once lied to me or anyone we both know. Her alters can and will give opposing opinions. But those who know her well understand this and work with it. I have been taught by a professional doctor engaged in dealing with DID, my personal therapist, professional publications, and public publications on how to be a signifigant other for a person with this disorder. As an individual I do not lie or deceive. There is no purpose gained in that. As for this situation all are seeing unfold, I believe this is the place to discuss real experiences. Those reading these words are here as a kinship in a lifestyle that has been unfairly judged by the vanilla community. For the individual who has identified himself as a part of this and a person I have attempted to communicate with via phone and showing up on his doorstep I have somethings to say. This is the only place he will permit communication. 1- I want my slave's personal possesions back, she has listed them. As per advise from those who have posted here and personal freinds who are attorney's legal action has begun. 2- I suggest you do not target aquiring a slave knowingly with DID, as you did in this situation. The damage that is done by a person who is unfamiliar with the disorder is extensive and measureable. 3- As a Master myself I was disappointed you would not face me as a man and as a Master yourself. 4- Why did you lie to me about having a sister with DID? Telling me a very sad untrue story. 5- I will protect and keep my slave safe at all costs. I will be wary of you attempting to contact and manipulate her in an underhanded manner. 6- I am willing and open to your direct communication with me. You have my personal email addy's as well as my telephone numbers. For all those who read this my words are true and sincere. I have no skeletons or fears of bringing the light to shine on this. I encourage everyone here to share and exchange with each other in that we may all benefit and grow together . Dragon

MstrHellsFury -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 10:12:24 AM)
Dragon....although you'll say all I post here is a lie......lets start this at the begining....you don't lie..deceive or have nothing to gain.....you neglect to tell how your now slave again came to me in the first place.... let me refresh your memory.......the two of you came to me asking for advise...this became a mentor situation..you asked that of me......you asked me to also be a Master to your slave as well.....we exchanged a wealth of personal information between us......but you have frequent bouts caused by another....your AL alter.....he's mean and likes to hurt your slave..... one night you both go out to a lifestyle function....you both have the best time of your life...and when you get home....here comes AL.....and out goes your slave at 3 in the morning...left to walk several miles to her parents home..... you released her that night you threw her out....and her parents wanted to get her as far away from you as possible.....they took her to Va to be with a relative..... now some needed not be on here information.....my wife has cancer.....treatment was to begin in one or two months...or so the Dr thought until he got back her x-rays....she was hospitalized on the spot.......I asked your now again slave....could she come at once to be a companion to my wife and a SERVANT to me.....(for any wishing to know...her profile reads as she is....looking for bi-fems) and so Dragon...if you can't start at the beginning......don't try to jump on the end..... you are trying to look like a knight in shining armor...and I'm the evil dragon you have slayed....and so Dragon...you do have a reason to lie..decieve....and oh so much to gain....but then I almost forgot...you do always want to command to all that you be the center of attention... attack me all you wish...but if you reveal even one more bit of my family personal history without getting my express consent to do so...(check with your legal friends on this one)....will open you to a lawsuit......

truesub4u -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 10:29:22 AM)
Ummm on second thought.... Nevermind.... this has taken a whole new twist from the OP

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 10:37:34 AM)
i love bs it just runs in so many directions lol i love what chain said cause tis true cults have influnce to change or manipulate the ponit of view no here has a phd in mental health if they did they would see things that are not on the level and things that are. heres is the best way to win your point of view find case examples of both presented with scientific. fact you can always tell Polluted people cuase they are like a needle stuck in the grove a record lol its ok life will always smack ya up side your head tell you whats real and whats not as for me i just do not have the time to teach the blind or save the lost lifes to short but our own path is what we make it

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 10:54:52 AM)
i also wanted to throw some coals on the fire this is fun some people keep the other persons things to pay for things they did not get for example bills or phone or other things which is wrong. or teach lessons i have seen that before in nilla relationships but the law saws you can do that unless your married and have to goto court !!!!! second the drug thing that worries me its a random comment why bring up if it was not there she would have not said anythign or made it up thats pretty creative thinking third children i am very very disapointed in people that let this go on bdsm and children do not mix anyone that would let kids see or be apart of should be put in jail or prision for a long time it causes all kinds of mental problems in kids ya want refrerences to this we can do this game point we can do this whats your move :)

petwolf22 -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 11:16:01 AM)
Someone who deals with a disorder like that needs someone who can help her deal with it (regardless of whether or not its being handled correctly- i wouldn't know and wouldn't guessis ; good for you for being there to support her). i know that has to be difficult. why not just message phoeni x/drsgonzay privately to get this resolved? i for one would have never have known who she was referring to until you said something.

truesub4u -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 11:18:15 AM)
This is most bizzar indeed. From the OP to the responses. The whole thing has taken more twists and turns than the best roller coaster around. One minute going up,,,, then real fast it went down. 6 pages later, and it's still not straightening out. And it's not going to on here. This is something way personal and the bashing from the 3 involved are just childish. If you can't handle it one on one... let the courts. Let it all come out, the secrets, the drugs, the abuse, the slavery, the whole senerio. And see where this gets everyone involved. Let's see where the children fall to when this is all over? Will this be better for them? Or worse? Will the one suffering from cancer get the treatment she needs? All the bullshit stress good for a woman going through treatments? Will this speed up her recovery? Grow the fuck up ! Quit thinking of only ones self here. There are other people involved here. Ones that can't handle the bullshit. Ones that shouldn't have to.

Dragonzaymaster -> RE: A Master Who Steals (1/18/2006 11:49:20 AM)
Thank you for the response Fury. I will answer this tomorrow in that I have a rigid work schedule this evening. I of course do not deny the circumstances of my error. I did not address any one other then you , myself, and phoenix. Thank you for the legal advise , I will forward it to my advisor. Are you going to return my slave' possesions? Yes or no?

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