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Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 5:18:31 AM   
corysub


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Status: offline 		There is an interesting thread here "Obama does the "right" thing..and so I thought it might also be of interest to monitor what the former community activist is doing now that he has real responsiblity...

Gitmo:   Doesn't have a plan as to what he is going to do, but announces he will close Gitmo in a year but has no plan.  Plan?  Oh..that's a "distraction"...

Recovery Act of 2009:  The democrat leader of the Senate would like to have this sham of pork laden spending bill being sold to Americans as a "stimulus package" voted and sent to conference this Sunday so the boys and girls of that body can go on recess!  The country is seconds away from disaster, according to the President, but these Senators are such family people that they want to make good on vacatioon plans, I guess.  Just trying to look for a nice reason to fuck the country and rush through a trillion dollars in spending.  Great leadership being shown from the executive here...ya think?

Terrorism:  There is no longer a "War on Terror".  Yea!!   We Won!! 
Off in the distance I can see long lines of terrorists banging their guns into plowshares.  The navy put up a sign "Mission Accomplished" and Bush was attacked for years with that slogan.  Why didn't he just say the war on terrorism is over..damn...  he would have been a hero...to the left!

Terrorists:   Speaking of terrorists.  One of his first acts in his brief tenure as CIC is to mandate that all criminal charges be "dropped" against al-Qaida bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri after the military judge gave indications he was going to pursue an ongoing criminal trial against the Presidents "executive order".  As usual, we are all in the dark about this man who obviously has a secret plan to defeat radical Islamic terrorists...he will do such stupid things that they will all "die "LAUGHING!  Neat trick and no one can blame the United States for the world wide funerals.
                http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/obama_guantanamosEC

Secret plan to pay off national debt:  Taking a clue from Joe Biden that paying taxes is "patriotic"...Barry is turning liberal politicians into true minutemen of the 21st century by nominating them to cabinet posts and bringing in all those unpaid tax bills to the treasury.  Way to go Barry!   Unfortunately, the base of liberals does not approach the hundreds of billions necessary to pay off the national debt..I was only kidding folks....but at least it's a begging.  Hey..our articulate new President deserves more cheers from the peanut gallery.. Let me hear it!!  I can't hear you!!!....  Better....much bette!

I won't go through all of the executive qualities shown by our "Dear Leader" but on another thread which was "a gift to Coldwarrior"..the OP was nice enough to give a link to some of the wonderful contributions Obama has made to the safety of our country and the recovery of our economy.  I would like to share that here too..if I might.
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Mr. Obama is meeting today with the Captain of the USS Cole and the 17 families of the American sailors killed by terrorists.  Our hearts go out to all of them and pray that they have the strength to go on everyday and know that we all owe them our deepest respect and gratitude for their continuing sacrifice. All of us who love America and expecially those who have lost loved ones in battle can relate to the horror in their lives. God Bless you all...
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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 6:33:12 AM   
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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 6:56:16 AM   
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Before I comment on anything else, I really have to say I'm tired of this childish disdain so many Americans show for people that lean to the left politically.


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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 7:15:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lean to the left....lean to the right....stand up sit down ?  If you are under the age of 50 you will see the end of the United States as a major power.  If fact, you may see the end period. 
You can not have 10% of the people paying taxes and 90% getting checks from government...just won't work.  We had a good country and because of our lack of involvement as a people we have let a few take the country away from us.

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 7:18:53 AM   
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quote:

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Before I comment on anything else, I really have to say I'm tired of this childish disdain so many Americans show for people that lean to the left politically.


Gosh..now I'm all upset. "childlike disdain"!! 

Believe me, it's not those that "lean to the left" it's the extreme socialist lefties who would destroy America like it is today as exemplified by George Soros and MoveOn.Org, like butt kissing lackies like Keith Olberman whose kindest word about former President Bush I think was "Schmuck",,,,and you feel we have disdain for the left! 

I think I have said in numerous postings that Barry Obama  is a bright guy...However, you only lose money with bright people...witness Wall Street, and bright politicans may also have stupid ideas that don't work like "Big Government" is the solution..the only solution..when 93% of the people ARE working..and nothing is being done to make sure that baseline sabilizes and improves.  No...he wants to build "windmills".  85% of the people he serves HAVE health insurance, but he wants to destroy one of the best health care industries on the planet if not THE best to satisfy his leftist base.   Medicare in $30 or more trillion in debt based on long term projections made by David Walker, and Barry and the democrat leadership want to lower the qualifing age to 55!  Like everything else...he will say it's for the "American People"...bullshit..it's for the auto union whose workers retire at 55 and have a gap until eligable for medicare. According to a contract with the industry, in early 2010, "the union will become responsible for the health care bills of 540,000 retirees and their spouses. I know..I'm overly cynical, but  guess who donated $120 million to the democrat campaign in 2008....You win...yep..Labor Unions.  So please, spare me the "disdain" and lets banter about specifics.  I am open to "change" and workable new ideas..and hope we all are in agreement there. 

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 7:20:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		8 Years ago one on the right could have said  that they....."  tired of this childish disdain so many Americans show for people that lean to the Right politically."

you know throwing words arround like racist, hitler as some of the mild ones.


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Before I comment on anything else, I really have to say I'm tired of this childish disdain so many Americans show for people that lean to the left politically.

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 7:29:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KaineD

Before I comment on anything else, I really have to say I'm tired of this childish disdain so many Americans show for people that lean to the left politically.


That's okay Kaine, it is well balanced.


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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 7:31:55 AM   
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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 8:00:59 AM   
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All I can say about Obama is that I didn't expect any miracles. No realist would.

If you really wanted change you would've elected me. I would regulate banking so tight those people would need a fucking trade union. Any company gets bailout money, all directors are out on their ass, two months severance, no bonuses. STRONG encouragement of domestic manufacturing. Green zones as well as "brown zones". A brown zone would be one of heavy industrial activity with lax enviromental laws. Would be located appropriately to let most of the pollution blow out to sea. A tax on any company that offshores something that can be produced here.

Heavy duty taxes on corporations that move away and try to still sell their products here. A couple year moratorium of federal (federal only) land use restrictions. A push to codify the Bill Of Rights and specify penalties for any officers of the government or corporations operating at their behest (such as the IRS) jailed and fined for violations of rights.

A simpler tax structure, without, for example, filtering highway money through the US govt., which allows them to regulate without having to legislate, in other words, like the nationwaide 55 MPH law was enforced by threatening to withold fedredal highway funds. In other words, stop doing business that way.

Federal death penalties for rape and murder, as well as fully informed juries (a movement that pops up from time to time, I suggest supporting it). Reductions of military presence world wide, and those troops used to defend our borders and help rebuild the crumbling infrastructure of some of our cities. Bring back whatever we can of the agrarian sector, so we are not so dependant on imports for food, which would include no longer paying them NOT to grow things.

Sounds Draconian doesn't it ? :-) Maybe a bit Hitlerish save a few points. Maybe it is. However if you really comprehend the depth and breadth of the problems that we face, and think through what I have written just now, you might be hard pressed to figure out a better solution.

The solution can't be a band aid, only the government is in a position to affect the economic (et al) environment for business in this country. It is upon the government, therefore, to do so. After all, they were the ones who affected these things negatively in the first place. They helped make it attractive, profit-wise, to offshore our industry, or to job it off to foreign plants. If it was OK for them to do that, it should be OK for them to do  this.

I used to lean heavily on the republican side. I liked Bush when he said "We don't need a special law, we'll execute them", in reference to a dragging death that became a rallying cry for the "hate crime" crowd. Took me eight years to wish he had never been born.

You think I like Obama ? Think again. I am against the whole democratic platform almost. Social programs, this and that, nanny government crap. Even at best, without the corruption, it would be "Tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no rich no more".  And that's the BEST thing about it !. Hell no I don't go for that.

I don't like either side, I just happened to fall on a different side of the fence this time around, and I can now say that the manure smells the same.

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 8:02:53 AM   
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5 comments and non on the topic.
Silly me. Good read cory. Thanks.
Keep up the good fight.

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 8:54:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Umm,A stimulus bill is a spending bill,lol, is a stimulus bill.

Oh and btw,Obamas to the left of center,case you haven`t noticed.And he`s POTUS.

We tried the right-wingy thingy for 8 longs years.

Tax cuts(the right-wingy thingy) didn`t stimulate jack shit.The economy is shedding almost a half million jobs a month and un-employment is approaching a 40 year high,and going up!There`s little time to fuck around.

Still Obama included tax cuts,almost a 3rd of the bill was tax cuts(that were worked out w/ repubs)and still these economy destroyers voted 100% against the bill.

When asked what the republican alternative was,minority leader John~BOONER~Boehner (R-Ohio)said that the GOP would be unavailing their plans over the coming months.OVER THE COMING MONTHS!!.WTF is wrong with those people!

There ya have it folks.Failure leading failure,failure following failure.

I wounder if conservatives think this shit goes unnoticed by the public ,as in years past.We have the inter-netz now.

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 9:12:41 AM   
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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 9:48:21 AM   
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Just 8 years ago,just about every number on the charts were going in the right direction.

Savings(personal) were going up,we were paying down the nation`s debt and had a huge(national) surplus.

The economy was growing while safety,working standards and production were going up and while pollution was going down.Clinton proved that a healthy(ier) environment and a healthy economy were not mutually exclusive.

The crime rate was going down.Students attending collage were up and still we needed to import brain power from over seas to meet the demand here.Prices were stable and so were the markets as well as the banking system.One could depend on stability and consumer confidence was high.

People were retiring well and the standard of living was rising.The number of people freezing(to death) in their homes was going down and people were secure in their homes,financially.There was no excuse not to have a job,if you were willing to work at one.

Just about every number and stat was reversed during bush`s stint.It didn`t just all happen to bush.Neo-con policy lead us there.

And every number,every trend can be turned around again,with the right leadership.Doom and gloom aren`t part of that,tho.

What happened under bush was completely avoidable.Clinton, for all the flack about a (single) fib over a (single)blow-job(in a frivolous law suite),ran the government competently.He showed up to the job every day and with a balanced approach, served all interests well.

Likewise,all President Obama has to do is show up.Show up,pay attention and to the job and he`ll do well.And we`ll do well.

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 10:04:13 AM   
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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 10:12:08 AM   
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Just 8 years ago,just about every number on the charts were going in the right direction.

As was the building I worked in lower Manhattan.

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Likewise,all President Obama has to do is show up.Show up,pay attention and to the job and he`ll do well.And we`ll do well.

Why? How about providing one good reason, why?

600,000 new bureaucrats?

$1 Trillion in spending from a bankrupt P&L?

Nationalization of businesses?

Why is tax evation or being a tax cheat, a 'harmless mistake' when perpetrated by those whose goal is to tax regular citizens more?

Not one word on taking the troops out of Iraq?

38,000 more troops going into Afghanistan?

Why are you supporting continuation of the President Bush 'Stimulus' initiative that, by your own words here, didn't work?

How is this round of wasted tax money be different? "A stimulus bill is a spending bill,lol, is a stimulus bill." I think it's funny too - funny because the words could have been said in August by President Bush. Isn't this exactly the same approach used by the prior administration, with the only difference the size?

Why go back only 8 years for examples of bad? Why not go back another 8 for the 'good times'? Why are there no program cuts similar to those initiated by President Clinton, such as welfare, as a stimulus?

Why are condoms so critical to economic stimulation?

Why is a public vote versus secret ballot so critical for solidarity?

Why must the party in power seek to limit what citizens in a free society hear on radio and TV?

Forget the political rhetoric; why if there was such a thing, would the existing Legislative and Executive branches of the US Government get a resounding 'NO CONFIDENCE' vote?

Why are you so easily conned when the speaker's political color is 'blue'?

Tell you what - I'll go first with some whys...

Why are there 500,000 less jobs? No company or industry in their right mind would invest with the prospect and promise of more regulation and more taxes being championed from Washington.

Why is there no stock market investment? Same answer, but compounded by another promise of increased capital gains tax, along with the prospect of future moves to nationalizing businesses.

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 11:10:20 AM   
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The economy was growing while safety,working standards and production were going up and while pollution was going down.Clinton proved that a healthy(ier) environment and a healthy economy were not mutually exclusive.

The crime rate was going down.Students attending collage were up and still we needed to import brain power from over seas to meet the demand here.Prices were stable and so were the markets as well as the banking system.One could depend on stability and consumer confidence was high.


I seem to remember us having a Republican Congress during most of the 90's, Owner.  You act like Clinton stepped in and performed magic.  Very little of what Clinton wanted got done, and that was a good thing. 

The crime rate went down because of all the harsh penalties and mandatory sentencing laws that went into effect during the 80's.  Look at crime statistics and talk to cops.  The same assholes are the ones committing the crimes.  When you lock most of them up for 15-20 years, crime goes down.  Well, we have a lot of those assholes getting out of the joint now.  Because of that and the recession, we are seeing increases in crime.  Very little of the decrease in crime during the 90's could be attributed to Clinton's gun control pushes or the 100,000 cops he claims to have put on the street. 

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What happened under bush was completely avoidable.Clinton, for all the flack about a (single) fib over a (single)blow-job(in a frivolous law suite),ran the government competently.He showed up to the job every day and with a balanced approach, served all interests well. 


He spent most of his Presidency fighting with Congress, which was a good thing.  It kept the government out of our business.  For me, the ideal is to have opposing parties in the Legislative Branch and Executive Branch.  Thank God we had that under Clinton.  Unfortunately, we didn't have it for a large portion of Bush's tenure.  Unfortunately, we are in the same shit again with Obama as POTUS and Democrats controlling the Congress.  I don't care what party it is, one party domination of the Presidency and Congress is like giving a junkie the keys to the hospital pharmacy. 

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 12:16:51 PM   
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Why are there 500,000 less jobs? No company or industry in their right mind would invest with the prospect and promise of more regulation and more taxes being championed from Washington.

Why is there no stock market investment? Same answer, but compounded by another promise of increased capital gains tax, along with the prospect of future moves to nationalizing businesses.


When we opened clear pathways to foreign shores for our manufacturing sector, the legit businesspeople took their manufacturing offshore. This created job losses, which were supposed to be offset by cap gains reductions building new industry here.  The lowering of cap gains did nothing but invite the "paper" gamers into the system, as the legit businesspeople were still making things offshore for one fifth the cost. Now, the gamers have nearly taken down our financial systems. The gamers have beaten down our stock market far more than a simple decline in interest of doing business here caused by high cap gains taxes.

The irony is the cap gains argument is a red herring, cutting or raising will have little effect as long as the pathways to overseas countries with a fraction of our standard of living remains free and open. The cap gains debate is merely a tradeoff between a lousy situation and total destruction, and does little to solve the problem of jobs losses here in America. The difference of standards of living is just too great, and the gap in wage scale also too great, for any cap gains policy on our end to alter our destiny.

The root cause of our troubles is our NAFTA-esque trade deals, has been, and always will be.  Any politician who looks at the standard of living of any US neighborhood ($250,000 homes) and thinks its a good idea for the owners of those houses to compete on price with people across the ocean who live in tin shacks, should be shot for treason. They are gutting the standard of living in this country, turning our houses into tin shacks, while enhancing the standard of living in foreign countries.

Many anti-protectionsists spout alot of rhetoric about the damage a trade war would cause. But for many in this country, their personal situation is already below what any trade war would have brought. Pretty soon, there will be enough in that predicament to reach critical mass, and it will be 'tea time' in Washington. You had better be stocked up on your guns when that happens.




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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 1:16:39 PM   
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of course stupid people work so well cory?....lol...witness the past 8 years...


Awww cumon.....that was only a jab....throw a punch!   :)

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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 1:26:28 PM   
SilverMark


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One must assume from that premise, that stupidity is your preferred mindset....keep working, I am almost certain that you can achieve your version of nirvana....utter senselessness... I believe in you cory and know you can do it!


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RE: Obama does the "Left" thing... - 2/6/2009 1:28:50 PM   
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