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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 7:29:30 PM

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Are those the only two options?

Now there's a good point! Does it have to be that everything is either hopelessly munged up or blissfully perfect? How about: Some things suck, others are cool, and we'll all never agree on which is which? This is not a copout. It's a way of dealing with things as they are and truly effecting changes.

Bob

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/15/2006 8:03:21 PM

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you are right about it being nearly impossible to fail these days. A good friend of mine has been trying to get the schools to hold jis kid back since grade 4, but they wouldn't, and now he is about to go into high school, and all he has learned is that he doesn't have to bother, to him school is just a place he goes 5 days a week while his parents work, like a day care of sorts, but with less structure.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 7:10:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: justheather
Are those the only two options?

Now there's a good point!

Why thank you Mister Rat.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 11:33:30 AM

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Thank you all, I have learned so much today.

WWJD?

What would Jesus Drink? Well-watered wine.

The serenity prayer:

Grant me the serentity to accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
and Wisdom to hide the bodies.

Well, I for one am going to do something to make the world better. I have two petitions here to sign. Let's see, this one is To End Women's Sufferage, and this other one is To Ban Di-hydrogen Monoxide.

Yeah! I have "made a difference".

Anyone else wanna join me in making the world a better place.

I am so bummed out that I missed the posts on paying for dinner. If one of you all could tell me where to find it, I would sooooooo appriciate it.

To the OP. Cheer up. Every day in every way we get better and better.

And now I am off to go listen to "Suicide is Painless"

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 12:03:18 PM

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And now I am off to go listen to "Suicide is Painless"

LaMalinche

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i guess? it depends on how it is done?
my ole man blew his head off with the shotgun...and i know the last expression he had on// what was left of his face...it was ALL pain...

it is not as fast as some people would lead you to believe...
and the brain does register the pain..for longer than you would expect...for what little brain was left...
most of it i had to scrape off the walls and clean up...not counting the piece of his skull i found...the top piece...not counting 13 pints of blood..
and the shot gun pellets...

suicide is ok to a point..IF you die immediately...
and ya never know if you are going to...

i know of two that tried a shotgun and didnt get the job done.

enjoy your music.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 12:41:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

And now I am off to go listen to "Suicide is Painless"

LaMalinche

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i guess? it depends on how it is done?
my ole man blew his head off with the shotgun...and i know the last expression he had on// what was left of his face...it was ALL pain...

it is not as fast as some people would lead you to believe...
and the brain does register the pain..for longer than you would expect...for what little brain was left...
most of it i had to scrape off the walls and clean up...not counting the piece of his skull i found...the top piece...not counting 13 pints of blood..
and the shot gun pellets...

suicide is ok to a point..IF you die immediately...
and ya never know if you are going to...

i know of two that tried a shotgun and didnt get the job done.

enjoy your music.

I am NOT making manicotti tonight.

Effectiveness is why Painless uses a "black capsule" just like Hitler and Eva Braun. It really is a touching scene.

Just curious, but how did you figure out it was 13 pints?

Another suicide tip - if you are going to electrocute yourself in the bathtub, be sure to use something with a heating element. According to Mythbusters it is more effective because of the amount of amps (I think it is amps and not volts). So use the toaster and not the radio.

Boy this is getting morbid. I like it.

Sorry about your dad though.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 4:02:26 PM

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Wow, did that M*A*S*H reference get misinterpreted...

The theme from the M*A*S*H T.V. series was actually the theme song to the movie.

It contained lyrics like

"Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes"

That's about all I remember, but I'm sure somebody will look it up now...

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 4:28:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: samwise213

Wow, did that M*A*S*H reference get misinterpreted...

The theme from the M*A*S*H T.V. series was actually the theme song to the movie.

It contained lyrics like

"Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes"

That's about all I remember, but I'm sure somebody will look it up now...

I dont have to look em up, know em by heart....
wanna hear em?

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 7:53:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: samwise213

Wow, did that M*A*S*H reference get misinterpreted...

The theme from the M*A*S*H T.V. series was actually the theme song to the movie.

It contained lyrics like

"Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes"

That's about all I remember, but I'm sure somebody will look it up now...

I think that you mean that the theme song to the movie by Mandel was the theme for the TV show - but no words.

Yeah, the refrent was missed, but oh well, I ran with it anyway.

LaMalinche aka Cato the Elder

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ceterum censeo fastlane esse delendam

Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...

[REFRAIN]

That suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.

REFRAIN

The game of life is hard to play
I'm going to lose it anyway
the losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say

REFRAIN

The only way to win is cheat
and lay it down before I'm beat
and to another give my seat
for that's the only painless feat

REFRAIN

The sword of time will pierce our skins
it doesn't hurt when it begins
but as it works its way on in
the pain grows stronger...watch it grin but...

REFRAIN

A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
is it to be or not to be
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'

'Cause suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please

...and you can do the same thing if you please.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 8:32:05 PM

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I hate it when people blame the media and media influence for how kids behave.

The "media" is too big to blame. I just blame MTV and especially Ozzie Osborne.

Lol!!

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 10:25:36 PM

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According to Mythbusters

I love the MythBusters!

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/16/2006 10:59:06 PM

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Well, I for one am going to do something to make the world better. I have two petitions here to sign. Let's see, this one is To End Women's Sufferage, and this other one is To Ban Di-hydrogen Monoxide.

Yeah! I have "made a difference".

Anyone else wanna join me in making the world a better place.

I am so bummed out that I missed the posts on paying for dinner. If one of you all could tell me where to find it, I would sooooooo appriciate it.

LOL
I'm going to help you out by going deep into archives and give you a good old thread on men who have no money resenting the women who think a man should pay, and the men who hate those women, hahaha. http://www.collarchat.com/m_55272/mpage_1/key_who%2Cpays/tm.htm
Enjoy,

M

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/17/2006 2:29:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: LaMalinche

I think that you mean that the theme song to the movie by Mandel was the theme for the TV show - but no words.

You make it sound like I said something different... I think I was going from the perspective that most people would remember the T.V. show, but some people don't now about the movie...

So yeah, movie theme song. Lyrics stripped to become T.V. series theme.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/18/2006 8:41:55 PM

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I see I have touched off a flame here, luckily not a flame war. Even to say 'WTF were you thinking when you said that ?' is not the same as saying 'you are full of crap'.

I have learned the difference long ago, as I have learned to try to see both (every) side(s) of an argument. Now an argument doesn't mean what you see on Jerry Springer, where all the arguers do is piss each other of. To me an argument is supposed to be you trying to convince another of your point of view and vice versa. To alienate or insult them is totally counterproductive.

To actually LISTEN gives you a few things, first of all you find out what you're up against. If you haven't heard the other's reasoning yet you can't pick it apart, and that is if you still disagree. Yes, I have actually been proven wrong (believe it or not , lol), On a lesser scale you might see why they have these misconceptions on the subject.

To win an argument is to educate the opponent. To lose is to learn. Sometimes there are gray areas as well. I am open to all these experiences.

Now I must address this one point before going 10-7. To those who may think that my view of reality is not right, please state your case, don't simply make that foolish allegation. My mind works as a lattice, like gears, you feed it input it must mesh. It must fit with at least some etablixhed facts. Who is going to tell me that our Country living in debt off a fiat currency is good, and that we need oil or for some reason control of Iraq so bad it is worth our soldiers' lives. Or would you perhaps purport that your TV news is actually fair, unbiased and complete ?

If I indeed have a misperception about reality, I would really like to know about it and at that point I shall reconsider my opinions. ? But then, until conviced I shall not do so.

You are cordially invited to convince me that I am wrong. In fact I welcome it. Just remember, you must convince me, facts and logical reasoning are about all that are going to accomplish this.

My view of the human condition might be considered gloomy, but I think it is accurate.

I don't mean to discourage either, but sound plans for a recovery are needed and will likely come from a grass roots movement, not some megalopoly controlled program. As much as they would like to, they cannot control your thoughts. Think about it.

T

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/18/2006 9:00:01 PM

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you surely do seem to feel everyone is out to sue someone. my munchkin had a desk hurled at her that barely missed and was also threatened by another child about bringing a gun and shooting her--again, no lawsuit. that was 1st grade. shall i go on?

so many people scream "tort reform" when it's not really as prevalent as some think. it's time to get off the "everyone is suing everyone" bandwagon as it's an echo you're hearing.

living in the state with the highest number of shysters in the country, there has been so much tort reform that should you find yourself on the receiving end of some gross malpractice, you won't be able to have a day in court because no attorney will take it. tort reform in california has been effective; it now is prohibitively too expensive to bring the case to court versus what damages might be awarded.

i wish you well.

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/18/2006 9:41:02 PM

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Anyone who assigns blames for how their young ones turn out or young ones in general implies that they have surrendered their parental duties to another. Of course, the "other" is to blame. "It's the media!", but media comes with off/on switches.

who did they blame before the various medias such as TV, radio and movies?

i believe that would be Socrates. i wonder how willing people would work for the media if they were made to drink hemlock for it...

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/18/2006 9:54:53 PM

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My view of the human condition might be considered gloomy, but I think it is accurate.

Ah. Therein lies the problem. In their own minds everyone thinks their view is accurate. It rarely ever is (at least completely).

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/18/2006 11:03:43 PM

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And what about those cheese packages that are supposed to zip open but don't, so you end up cutting them open with scissors?

Cheese is bad enough, but why do they do this with packages of scissors!

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/18/2006 11:35:19 PM

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Who is going to tell me that our Country living in debt off a fiat currency is good, and that we need oil or for some reason control of Iraq so bad it is worth our soldiers' lives. Or would you perhaps purport that your TV news is actually fair, unbiased and complete ?

The country living in debt is not good, and we may see some serious repercussions as a result of our massive personal and federal debt levels.

A fiat currency isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's more of a matter of who issues and controls the currency. The currency issued and manipulated by the privately owned Federal Reserve is a bad thing.

However, contrary to popular belief, the Colonial Scrip and the Greenback currencies worked far better than those calling for a commodity-based currency give them credit for.

I agree with your views on the war and our media.

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I don't mean to discourage either, but sound plans for a recovery are needed and will likely come from a grass roots movement, not some megalopoly controlled program. As much as they would like to, they cannot control your thoughts. Think about it.

Sorry, but I have thought about it. IMHO, the powers-that-be control the thoughts of people far more than you give them credit for.

Do you want some examples?

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RE: Why can't people see ? - 1/19/2006 6:44:37 AM

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If I want to maintain a neighborhood in which to raise children and I only want certain influences on them that should be my right. Today this right is bought, by folks who live in those gated communities. I should be able to be particular as to who the child goes to school with and hang out with. Only the rich are allowed to do this. While I wouldn't want to shelter the child, there is a difference between exposure and influence.

thats as far as i got. Reading that i knew the woman was out to lunch. WHO says you have the RIGHT to these things? Where oh where in the great books of life, the great books of the goverment, and the great books of society DOES it say YOU have the RIGHT to these things?

You have a right to live. You have a right for your kids to go to school. You have a right not to be ripped out of your house because of your religious preferences. As for the "RICH" Its not their RIGHT, its what they EARNED with hardwork. My father EARNED the right to put all 4 of his kids in Catholic schools. i think its the company he keeps and the level of living he lives that, from working 12 and 14 hour days that earned him the right to become "rich" If YOU cant get off your lazy butt and get educated in the RIGHT fields and then work your ass off to EARN these things.. dont go blaming others. My father started as a low ranking officer and has ended up with a PHD, living in London, making over a million a year. He WORKED his way there. It wasnt his "right"

You have the right to use your brain. Are you saying you are special? Some how you have these "rights" when the rest of the world DOESNT have them, yet has to earn them?

Or are you just pissed off cos you're lazy? Or are you rather as i take it, some snobby middle class lady who is pissed off cos the ghetto is encroaching her neighborhood? ha!

yeah and thats ALL i read of what you wrote.

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