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feydeplume -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 4:28:09 PM)

Let the emotions out. They are part of the process of deciding what you are going to do next. Are you sticking around because you are afraid to be without an M in your life, even if he isn't a great one?




Naberius -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 4:31:13 PM)

I'll probably get stomped for this, but here it goes. As a dominant, he must think everything through, especially if he has you next to him. You are the first thing that should enter his mind before he does anything else. Do not give him excuses for his behavior and do not think for a moment that it wont happen again. In my eyes, he is not a dominant at all, as he through the meaning of that out the window with not consulting his wishes or wants with you. You are in a relationship, all relationships need to communicate for that partnership to survive. Without that, there is nothing but empty space and broken hearts.

If he has changed to what he once was, it is always possible, but remember that he wont ever be the same as he was when you first met. Life is about revolution and with that comes change whether we like it or not. People never stay the same as they were when you first fell for each other.

Advice from someone who knows a bit about these things (therapist for lifestyle and community by trade) and what others have been saying, leave him. Pick up what pieces you have, leave him on a friend basis and go from there. You will heal more soundly than if you continue to believe in "maybe".






MsFlutter -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 4:39:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Naberius

I'll probably get stomped for this, but here it goes. As a dominant, he must think everything through, especially if he has you next to him. You are the first thing that should enter his mind before he does anything else. Do not give him excuses for his behavior and do not think for a moment that it wont happen again. In my eyes, he is not a dominant at all, as he through the meaning of that out the window with not consulting his wishes or wants with you. You are in a relationship, all relationships need to communicate for that partnership to survive. Without that, there is nothing but empty space and broken hearts.

If he has changed to what he once was, it is always possible, but remember that he wont ever be the same as he was when you first met. Life is about revolution and with that comes change whether we like it or not. People never stay the same as they were when you first fell for each other.

Advice from someone who knows a bit about these things (therapist for lifestyle and community by trade) and what others have been saying, leave him. Pick up what pieces you have, leave him on a friend basis and go from there. You will heal more soundly than if you continue to believe in "maybe".



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CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 4:40:46 PM)

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More recently, the trust between my Master and i has been estranged. i do not trust Him in any sense of the way, right now. W/we have a different kind of M/s relationship, but it is our relationship. Anyways...He has done quite a few things behind my back and has even considered taking another slave, unbenounced to me. Now, i know that a Master has pergogative, but in most of the M/s relationships i know, it is discussed first with all involved. Plus, He has hurt my self-esteem and made me feel inadequate, unintentionally!


A few thoughts:

There is far too little information to make a cogent attempt at giving advice about what to do next, but there are some things to think about. There is no indication in the OP of what you agreed to when you accepted a "Master/slave" dynamic... We haven't been given any clue of how major decisions about your household would be made? Was the issue of additional household members discussed at all? Does your 'contract' (verbal, written, or implied) include anything about how much your Master is required to disclose to you about his decisions in order to retain your trust? Without that information, there is insufficient information to determine whether this is unwarranted behavior on his part, or a reaction to not having considered the full implications of the relationship that was offered and accepted on yours.

In addition to that, people do not -make- us feel anything. We choose how we feel, in response to stimuli bought about in the relationship. If you have allowed his (presumed) inappropriate behavior to impact your self-esteem, that is an issue that you need to work out, and perhaps with a neutral third party or with a therapist. Our self-esteem is just that... it is our own perception of ourselves, and regardless of our station in a given relationship, should remain secure in our knowledge that we are completely ourselves, and that we are unique and valuable in our own right. Retaining responsibility for our perception of our self-esteem, and accepting responsibility for our feelings, recognizing the reality that we feel what we feel, without it being someone else's responsibility or fault, helps to remind a person of the boundaries of hir authority, and make healthy choices about how xhe will retain or release that authority to another.

A perception of inadequacy usually comes out of the fallacy that one person can be 'everything' to another person. Even in monogamous relationships, one person is not the ONLY person that the other interacts with. Needs that are not covered by the monogamous partner may be met by friends, teachers, students, professionals, ministers, parents, offspring, co-workers... anywhere in the profound web of interactions that we all experience in our lives. Our perception of our own capacity to thrive in a relationship works best if we believe in ourselves first. Sometimes, the best thing we can do to heal a relationship is to heal ourselves. I would suggest asking what it is that makes you feel inadequate, and then try to express that in a way that can be addressed by both of of you. You may find that your Master's interest in another person has nothing to do with you -- you may be perfectly fulfilling your position in his life and household, and he -still- may be looking to find someone who brings an aspect that is not encompassed in your nature. Think of it like parents -- they typically don't have more offspring because of an inadequacy in their existing saplings, but instead, to enjoy the experience of raising more unique individuals to adulthood. In many ways, having a household with multiple servants is similar -- each has hir niche, and each can succeed fully without it taking anything away from the other servants' success.




barelynangel -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 5:00:26 PM)

To me my advice is simple -- take it off a public message board and don't look to strangers to clarify what can only be clarified between the two of you.  Meaning, simply, you need to go back to the beginning both of you, you need to be clear as to your wants and needs and he needs to know that for himself, then you communicate, and then you communicate, and after that you communicate somemore -- about anything and everything, surface stuff and very indepth stuff, the fun stuff and the hurting stuff.  It seems to me that you both are not on and never have been on the same page as to what you consider this relationship and now you are saying he has broken your trust.  Has he really?  Or could some of it be you simply weren't listening or didn't want to hear?  I would have a hard time believing you two got to this place and he never indicated to you his interest in owning more than one slave or looking into owning more than one during the course of his ownership of you.  Could it be that you may have heard things but didn't listen or disregarded what you didn't want to hear?

I feel you have to make a choice here, if you are going to hold on to not trusting him, you won't ever trust him again.  In order to trust him again, you have to resolve within yourself the actual want and desire to let go of the distrust.   But honestly, you are not going to find your answers here, your answers are one place -- with him and your relationship.

This kind of stuff is never a one way road, you have to be willing to hear and listen to him, as well as hoping he will listen and hear you.  This isn't all you you you and the he is the one in the wrong.  When you begin getting that, you may find you have the tools to begin bringing your relationship to the place you BOTH want it to be. 

angel




LovingMistress45 -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 5:35:17 PM)

To me Trust is the foundation of this lifestyle. Both ways the submissive being able to trust the dominant and the Dominant trusting the sub, without I believe there is high potential for abuse both physically and emotionally. Frankly the emotional is often far more damaging and longer lasting. As a Dominant it is my responsibility to make sure I have clearly communicated what I need in the relationship, and that includes stating if what I need/desire is a polyrelationship. There is nothing wrong with that but, there is in my opinion something wrong with not having been honest about it with my sub/slave prior to pursuing it.

How can trust be re-invented?  My opinion on this is it is up to him to earn that trust again. You have to be willing to allow him to do it, but is his job to do it, not yours.

Now I do wonder why you consider staying with a man who has done things wish resulted in your self-esteem being negatively affected?  I am a Sadistic Bitch and I am totally turned on by tears during a scene, but I would never within the relationship do something to actually harm my submissive emotionally.  I might do or say any number of things that may not reflect my actual feeling about a sub while scening.  But the M/s reationship is not about actually making someone feel less than (in my opinion) - out of scene within the context of the M/s relationship I want my sub to feel good about themselves to be proud of who they are.

Just my thoughts.




Jeptha -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 5:42:23 PM)

Just some random thoughts:

It sounds like he has owned up to his mistakes.
That's something.

If you are happy with this person, that is also something.

I'm not referring to love here; you can love him and still decide you'd both be better off as friends. 'Cause we love our friends, too.

If your trust is damaged, will he accept whatever terms will make you comfortable until that trust is restored? Is he willing to have a discussion like that? Are you able to figure out how he could do that?

I have no idea if you would be better together or apart, but there has to be some way for you to kind of break this down and figure out what you can change and what you are not likely to change and what is acceptable to you and what is not.

Good luck!




Knite064 -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 6:11:13 PM)

Two schools of thought come to me

1)Past behaviours dictate future behaviours
2)People develop or see the error of their ways and change

Not useful i know but you both need to sit down together and really communicate the way forward.and you need to judge whether he will truly change or not

If he does?great
If not? We only come bye this way one time dont live a life of regrets

be well




oceanwynds -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 6:13:01 PM)

I am not sure from your post about a couple things. Does he still want another slave? Does he want Poly? If he does then this is part of him. Can you or cannot you not be a part of this only you can answer, but do you think his wanting another slave is going to poof in thin air?

Trust can be rebuilt, but it is a long term thing and both parties have to want the same thing. The percentage of rebuilding trust is very low. 

I understand loving someone so much, but is this what you want for the long term over years? Only you can answr these questions. To give advice would not be of benifit to you, since I would be coming from my own prejudices.

Blessings
oceanwynds




submittous -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 6:27:37 PM)

In M/s trust is very hard to rebuild... anyone who assumes total control and abuses it is just likely to do it again at some point.... But, only you know all the details and nuances of this relationship so try this.... if your best friend told you this whole story and you knew the details what would you tell her?... Listen to your answer to her carefully because likely you know what you need or want to do...

good luck




jennifer819 -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 7:41:37 PM)

Im so sorry you are going through this i know how much it hurts.I have been in a similiar place in my relationship and got a lot of the same you should leave advice you have recieved here.I looked at it from the if it had happened to my best friend point of view and knew that i would tell her to leave and move on and that it could happen again.Yet i stayed with him i just couldnt give up even though every rational thought i had told me i should let go.Its been about 6 months now that we have really been trying to move forward and move past the things that have happened.While i dont regret my decision at all it has been hard and the hurt very deep.It helps that he has listened to everything i have had to say even when i just had to vent my anger and pain.He has done his best everyday to show me that hurting me again is the last thing in the world he ever wants to do and it does slowly get better with time.Dealing with my anger has been the hardest part for me i still tend to make little comments or hurtful sarcastic jokes to flat out attacks about his past behaviour.I know our relationship will never work if i feel the need to keep 'punishing' him.I dont want to treat him badly i think its more of a way of protecting myself.I also suffered a huge blow to my self esteem and am still troubled with the feeling of not having been 'good enough'.It also took a while for me to realize how much my self respect was damaged it was only after we were well into trying to work through things that i started having terrible feelings of guilt for allowing myself to have been treated that way.I completly understand your feelings of being an empty shell of a person and along with rebuilding our relationship and trust ive had to rebuild myself and my trust in myself.The first time i fell for him it was blindly i was swept away and ended up with my heart broken.This time im in it with my eyes open and i know the possible consequences of loving him.Its the scariest thing in the world knowing how far you can fall and jumping anyway.Its been really hard at times but having gone through this we appreciate our relationship and respect eachother a lot more for who we are.Only time will tell if we will make it as a couple and it has been draining at times but i dont regret the choice i made to give it another try.Sometimes in life you just have to defy all logic and go with your heart.Im still struggling with fully accepting and forgiving what happend and its important if i want to continue to move forward because there will always be reminders of the past.The comunity is small and ive gotten emails or talked to people who know the girl he left me for and this past christmas a girl he was sleeping with texted him and was viewing my profile here.It never goes away and you will have to be willing to deal with that fact if you decide to stay.Most days are good for us now and while the jury is still out i feel we have a real chance at making it.My heart goes out to you and i wish you the best in whatever you decide.




Secretslave1138 -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/9/2009 9:02:23 PM)

Wow, sooo many questions to asnwer.

Ok, i do not have a contract, for i am an obedient slave, so therefore i know the consequences if i am disobedient, but i never do those things.  However, we have discussed what we expected in the relationship and what the terms are, and poly was never a thought.  Now, i am bicurious, but...He knew from the beginning that, that was for me, not Him.  Yet, still to this day, i have not been able to find someone to play with, so...i have pretty much given up on that idea, and He is well aware of that.  No poly was a point made early on...and i mean way early on.

As for my self-esteem...it was not me who cause the damage, it was His comments.  He put me down, unintentionally, and then relaized He did.  He has not made a gesture to make it right, yet.  I am not a mental case who needs a doctor with a couch, i just was very hurt by His comments, and perhaps self-esteem was the wrong terminology.  I guess feelings of inadequacy is more like it.

He did the whole looking for a second slave, behind my back.  He never told me, and it was not until i received a letter in the mail, did i find out it actually happened.  The letter was from the slave He contacted.  When i received the letter, i fell to the floor, because i felt cheated on.  No, He never did anything with her, but that is not the point.  The point is He did it behind my back and never told me about it. 

I am still on the fence here on what to do.  I so want to try and make it work, because i am soooo attached to Him.  I gave Him everything i could and am, and that is not something i feel i can get back from Him. 

I just believe that being a slave is a huge gift to a Master, and that care and loyalty should be given on both sides.  i am a hurt little girl right now, and i honestly have noone i can talk to.

My whole lifestyle is secret from my world.  Noone knows about me and my desires.  So, i have noone to talk to!  So, to take this off a public forum leaves me with no voice.  i need help, and without support here IRL, i have nothing. 

Thank you all for being so kind to me.  I understand you do not know me, nor know the situation in a whole, but to offer me, a complete strange a shoulder is an act of kindness.  So, thank you!





DesFIP -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/10/2009 3:52:42 AM)

I don't submit unless there is trust. There may still be love in your relationship but how can you submit when you know he is planning things that will hurt you deeply?

I would tell him that you cannot submit to him any longer. That the ball is in his court. If he wants you to be able to follow and obey him, that he needs to prove his decisions are worth following and obeying. And then sit back and be objective about his actions and words. He can say anything but unless his deeds match it, the words aren;t worth listening to.




sweetshyslave -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/10/2009 4:10:11 AM)

"i have given Him oppotunity after opportunity and chance after chace...i cannot play this hand of poker anymore, not with my life, and not with my body for sure. "

Since i don't really know all the specifics or what actually transpires between the two of you, i just can offer the words above....which are your words.

i am so very sorry you are going through this, but only you can decide what to do, so i ask you to read your own words again and think about what advice you would give to a slave who was feeling that way.

The best of luck to you!





chainedgirl -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/10/2009 4:22:25 AM)

I'm sorry, but advice to work on the relationship?  Who exactly did the wrong thing here??

My master has an interesting analogy.  There is a trust account.  When a dominant does things to prove they are trust worthy, they add to that account.  When they do something wrong to cause loss of trust, the balance goes down.  When the balance reaches zero or in this case, negative, then there is a real problem. 

How can you trust him when he has proven more than once he can't be trusted?  It is not you that needs to work at getting things back, it is him.  I don't care what title he gives himself, you are both people first.  He does not automatically deserve your trust.  He needs to earn it like everyone else on the planet.

When someone has had an affair and the partner finds out, if they want to work it out, my advice is the partner who did the wrong thing needs to be totally open with their partner.  They need to tell them where they are going, when they will be back, how they can be reached.  They need to archive all chats and emails and let the injured partner check them whenever they want.  And they need to do this for as long as it takes for the injured partner to trust them again.  Its not simply a case of he appologise and you get back to where it was at.  That will never happen. The trust needs to be re-built.  The relationship will never be like it was, but it can be stronger if you both want it to be.  As for bringing someone else into the mix, that would have to be vetoed for a certain lenght of time, say a year or two?

This exact situation happened to a friend of mine.  She was with her dom for 6 years, they had built a life together.  Yet, when it all blew up, she was only then able to look back and see the warning signs.  He never did change and to this day still hasn't.




shannie -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/10/2009 6:29:39 AM)

A man doesn't "look for another slave" out of inadvertence, or "a mistake."  Perhaps he told you he didn't want poly, or that he wanted monogamy (and perhaps he even thought, or hoped, that himself) -- but this incident shows that he does, indeed, have those tendencies.  Now he will have to suppress his own authentic self to "prove he can be trusted."  Sounds like a vanilla marriage to me.






bound4more -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/10/2009 9:26:46 AM)

You know, I hear this kind of thing alot. This - as a slave I have to accept whatever my Owner decides. And I say bullshit. Prior to accepting his collar or ownership, a slave chooses the Owner based on some basic agreements. Those agreements need to be respected and adhered to by both parties. If an Owner agrees to enter a monogamous relationship and then later decides differently, the slave is not required to accept this. It needs to be discussed. It was an agreement that influenced the slave's decision to be owned by that particular person.
 
So this crap going around where slave's think they have to accept anything and everything an owner decides is just plain that - CRAP. If I choose to be collared by a man who says he's monogamous, does not want me to submit to beastiality, toilet use, or whatever the agreement is, then I expect him to adhere to that agreement. If, due to a change of heart, he decides now he wants poly or whatever that's in direct conflict with the intitial agreements we had, prior to accepting his collar or ownership of me, then I feel I have every right to say no or to discuss this and make a new decision. That's my heated 2 cents worth.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/10/2009 10:40:05 AM)

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So this crap going around where slave's think they have to accept anything and everything an owner decides is just plain that - CRAP. If I choose to be collared by a man who says he's monogamous, does not want me to submit to beastiality, toilet use, or whatever the agreement is, then I expect him to adhere to that agreement. If, due to a change of heart, he decides now he wants poly or whatever that's in direct conflict with the intitial agreements we had, prior to accepting his collar or ownership of me, then I feel I have every right to say no or to discuss this and make a new decision. That's my heated 2 cents worth.


If the above is true, what is the point of entering a 'no holds barred' or M/s relationship? If there is no difference between an M/s relationship than a dating/married couple, and if all decisions have to be run past all the family members, and agreement obtained before changes are made, what is the -point-? Just to say "oh, yeah, I'm a slave!"?

Sorry, folks... I'm in one of those moods where the inconsistencies of the world are just eating at my head like so many fire ants!




agirl -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/10/2009 11:07:26 AM)

The majority of them aren't *no holds barred*. The point there is, that no matter WHO you're involved with , Master or Torchy the Battery Boy, you rather know what to expect from them; it doesn't have to be explicit.

agirl




CelticPrince -> RE: Questions Needed Answered, Please! (2/10/2009 11:52:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Secretslave1138

Hello Fellow Friends,

Alot of you helped me with my last problem, so I am here for a second round.

More recently, the trust between my Master and i has been estranged.  i do not trust Him in any sense of the way, right now.  W/we have a different kind of M/s relationship, but it is our relationship.  Anyways...He has done quite a few things behind my back and has even considered taking another slave, unbenounced to me.  Now, i know that a Master has pergogative, but in most of the M/s relationships i know, it is discussed first with all involved.  Plus, He has hurt my self-esteem and made me feel inadequate, unintentionally! 

With all the above and a few other things, He has cause me to have a total distrust in Him.  Now, i am not one who goes running away just because of a hiccup in a relationship, but i need help.

How can the trust be re-invented between a slave and Master once completely broken?  How can a slave feel safe again, even though she has reservations?  I just need to know that, this has a chance.

Thank you for your help! [:)]

slave,

A very high percentage predicts this relationship is on a terminal dive. Cut your loses and ask for release.

CP




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