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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/11/2009 8:22:36 PM   
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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/11/2009 9:48:13 PM   
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It was introduced too recently to be "languishing" IMO. That said, news is spreading of it even now, which is a good thing. I'm hearing AZ, OK, MT, and WA has similar bills on the table. Hopefully this will lead to a *true* progressive movement.


I heard 17 different states had them.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/11/2009 10:37:17 PM   
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I love New Hampshire!

"Live Free or Die"


This always gets me thinking of a bunch of New Hamshireans staring at a tourist. Then one walks up to the tourist and stabs him in the chest. And as the guy falls to the ground he yells at him "We said Live Free, Or".

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/11/2009 10:42:30 PM   
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This was settled over 140 years ago. States do not dictate anything to the US government. States are simply convenient subdivisions of the United States not independent constituents of a voluntary federation.


Tell that to Texas. If the Texas legislation votes to secede. They secede. Don't think the feds can do anything to stop it.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/11/2009 10:45:29 PM   
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And New Hampshire is taking a rightful stand for their rights as a state.

Something I expect more states will be doing to follow their example.

They aren't dictating things to the US Government. They're saying they expect the US Government to uphold what the Constitution has already dictated to it.

I think the Federal Government needs reminded of this from time to time.
You say "rightful" I say "wrongful". The various and sundry morons who make up the preponderance of state legislatures need to be reminded from time to time that pi =/= 3.  See Robert Heinlein, "Stranger in a Strange Land".

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/11/2009 11:48:46 PM   
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This was settled over 140 years ago. States do not dictate anything to the US government. States are simply convenient subdivisions of the United States not independent constituents of a voluntary federation.


Tell that to Texas. If the Texas legislation votes to secede. They secede. Don't think the feds can do anything to stop it.

The feds will simply arrest the traitors and move on. This was thoroughly settled in 1865.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/12/2009 12:08:00 AM   
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This was settled over 140 years ago. States do not dictate anything to the US government. States are simply convenient subdivisions of the United States not independent constituents of a voluntary federation.


Tell that to Texas. If the Texas legislation votes to secede. They secede. Don't think the feds can do anything to stop it.

The feds will simply arrest the traitors and move on. This was thoroughly settled in 1865.


They could try.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/12/2009 5:48:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Allow me to throw a little cold water on this whole celebration.

First as I understand this, it is a resolution the passing of which of course...has no force of law.

Second, if this were law or an amendment...how long do you think our current SPOUS would allow it to stand ?

"I think the 10th amendment of the US constitution (from which we derive and maintain our states rights) is the most 'dead-letter' amendment of the constitution.' During his confirmation hearings the great 'conservative' SC nominee Robert Bork. Not surprisingly but for other reasons, he was not appointed

Had I been on the committee I would have had to interject and ask him if there were any other amendments to the US constitution...that were also...'dead-letter' amendments ?

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/12/2009 7:07:49 AM   
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You say "rightful" I say "wrongful".


You actually think it's wrongful to demand the Federal Government to uphold our Constitutional Rights, and the Constitutional Rights of the States? Wow.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/12/2009 3:18:36 PM   
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This was settled over 140 years ago. States do not dictate anything to the US government. States are simply convenient subdivisions of the United States not independent constituents of a voluntary federation.


Tell that to Texas. If the Texas legislation votes to secede. They secede. Don't think the feds can do anything to stop it.


And the day they do is the day I hop in the car and become a texan, if they'll have me.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/12/2009 4:41:18 PM   
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This was settled over 140 years ago. States do not dictate anything to the US government. States are simply convenient subdivisions of the United States not independent constituents of a voluntary federation.


Tell that to Texas. If the Texas legislation votes to secede. They secede. Don't think the feds can do anything to stop it.


And the day they do is the day I hop in the car and become a texan, if they'll have me.


If you don't want to live in the US the borders are open right now.

BTW advocating secession is sedition and is a crime. 

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/12/2009 4:52:10 PM   
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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/12/2009 8:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The " South" tried to secede when Lincoln was president. It didn't work out to well for them or the Country. This is a waste of time. They should consintrate on bringing badly needed jobs to the area instead.. 

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/12/2009 8:29:30 PM   
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Succession?

Is "succession", the new code word for the extreme eliments of the nation to rally around?

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/13/2009 8:08:49 PM   
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I'm hearing AZ, OK, MT, and WA has similar bills on the table....

Arizona
California
Georgia
Montana
Oklahoma
Washington
 
 

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/13/2009 11:36:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I'm hearing AZ, OK, MT, and WA has similar bills on the table.... "

Define "on the table".Is this another "resolution" ,like NH?lol

And if your so anxious to live in a state not part of the United States Of America,why don`t you leave now?

There are obviously plenty of other options or alternative places to live.

I`m hearing cheney might be moving to Dubai, when Haliburton moves it`s corporate headquarters there.

They might have ya(but you`re going to have to learn to speak Arabian)    Allahu akbar...

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/14/2009 5:42:36 AM   
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And if your so anxious to live in a state not part of the United States Of America,why don`t you leave now?


It'd be much preferable to keep the Federal Government in it's place and stay here; which was the point.

Not suprised that you'd try and strawman that into me wanting to leave though.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/14/2009 5:46:31 AM   
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BTW advocating secession is sedition and is a crime. 



Might wanna check Yates vs the Unites States.  You'd have to do a lot more than say "I'd move to Texas if they secede" for it to be a crime.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/14/2009 5:56:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm from South Carolina and we tried something similar back in the 1860s. We were by FAR the wealthiest state in the Union when we fired on Ft Sumter. since then, we are near the bottom of the 50 states in everything good and close to the top in everything bad. Now, there is no doubt we were easily within our constitutional rights to seceed; but Mr Lincoln didn't see it that way. We handed the yankees their asses for 3 years, but finally their far larger population and their vastly greater industrial production and development won out.

Bottom line-good luck; you're gonna need it.

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RE: New Hampshire has the right idea - wow. - 2/14/2009 7:08:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a small thing I noticed.  All of those now saying "If you don't like the US, the borders are open to leave" got very angry when the other side said the same thing only a year ago.  Its amazing how some people sound just like those they condemned a year ago.  "Change" should mean more than switching places.

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