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Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 4:41:52 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		Well, at last a bunch of level headed people have come out and said it, whether we like it or not, and whether we caused it or not, climate change is here, the question is, what to do about it. So these people have urged the UK government to start planning now, hang on, start putting plans into action now, as we are already seeing floods, unusually hot weather and other variables Britain in recent memory  has no memory of.

I am more inclined to listen to engineers rather than scientists and politicians, as engineers interpret the findings and logically apply them to the situation, they in this case have seen fit to tell our politicians to act now. Time to change our current headless chicken scaremongering and accept the facts and start engineering our enviroment to cope with the coming differences.

But, given this country in the next ten years is going to experience an energy crisis, perhaps our prayers are answered, if it is going to become hotter and sunnier, then there is one possibility for solar energy generation and heating. Higher winds, wind farms etc. More rain, hydro electric power.

But what does gall me, is this carbon credits thing, this apparent need to offset the damage to the enviroment by making people pay  for the perceived damage, like it ever bothered them before. The biggest destroyer of enviroment is industry, it always has been and always will be, why is it assumed the  people are to blame.

And whilst those that believe are paying carbon credits for perceived damage,

there are others that play in this sad episode

Military have to train to do their job, but jollies, are they really necessary, and I do think the military should be reigning in their impact on the planet, if it is that the planet is in such danger.

I persoanally think we should have been listening to engineers all along, maybe the scientists, but them tempered with logic. The politicians should be responding to good sense from professional people, not grabbing sound bites to scare the population. Just to remember, politicians are the servants of the people, not the teachers.


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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 5:36:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nothing.  It's always changed and always will.  (Nice we abandoned the more definitive term "warming" since temps keep going up and down).

But if you wanna buy some carbon credits to assuage some guilt I have a few in my briefcase I can sell you cheap.  Right here next to the indulgences.

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 6:41:53 AM   
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Get serious for one thing and care about what we leave the next generation.This "greed is good" thing isn`t sustainable.

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 7:34:21 AM   
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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 6:37:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not place such confidence in engineers.  These are the same people who thought placing teflon coated lugnuts on cars was a good idea and then wondered why the fuck they backed themselves off and caused crashes.  During my life, I've watched thousands of so called "improvements" go down in flames after coming off an engineer's desk.  They are as prone to fuckups as anyone else. 
As far as "climate change" goes, I just spent 15 days without electricity due to the worst ice storms this area has experienced in living memory.  My immediate plans are to get my solar panels installed by next winter so that it doesn't happen again.  As we build our renaissance faire buildings, each of them will be fitted with additional solar panels or even those tiny turbines I keep hearing about. 

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 7:03:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		We live on a planet that has "continents that are moving"....volcano's that belch gases in the air with a few, including one of the biggest being the Yellowstone caldera that could easily end life on the planet.  And I am supposed to worry that my aerosol can of spray, my refrigerator, my car, cow farts, and who knows what else they might come up with are destroying the planet.

Climate Change...previously called Global Warming until the cold winters and the ice caps started to rebuild,is the biggest scam in history...designed to give those that believe in Big Government and control over the masses an issue that does not have a solution but will keep going on and on....
We are in an economic crisis...people are being fired...and we just passed a 1,000 pages of legislation that wll be building windmills and a grid to channel whatever high cost energy they emit...We have an abundance of coal...means nothing to these people who would rather try to harness the tides...we have nuclear that so many countries in the world on expanding..the cleanest of all the alternative fuels...but not In America...once on the leading edge of technology, now putting up 15th century windmills made of steel...The people clamored for oil drilling and Pelosi laughed and nodded her head knowing that SHE had the power now...and no matter how the little piglets screamed and yelled the voice of the American people only counted when it was in unison with her agenda.  How did we allow this to happen to our country??

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 7:44:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ever since the Big Bang raised temps a few gajillion degrees for a second or two, followed by precipitous cooling, we (or someone) have had climate change.  We (or whoever) adjusted.  We will continue to.

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 7:48:15 PM   
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As far as "climate change" goes, I just spent 15 days without electricity due to the worst ice storms this area has experienced in living memory.  My immediate plans are to get my solar panels installed by next winter so that it doesn't happen again.  As we build our renaissance faire buildings, each of them will be fitted with additional solar panels or even those tiny turbines I keep hearing about. 


Glad y'all are okay Irish.  I'm thankful we didn't get any of that mess down in this part of the state. 

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/13/2009 7:54:14 PM   
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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 12:00:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Well, at last a bunch of level headed people have come out and said it, whether we like it or not, and whether we caused it or not, climate change is here, the question is, what to do about it. So these people have urged the UK government to start planning now, hang on, start putting plans into action now, as we are already seeing floods, unusually hot weather and other variables Britain in recent memory  has no memory of.

I am more inclined to listen to engineers rather than scientists and politicians, as engineers interpret the findings and logically apply them to the situation, they in this case have seen fit to tell our politicians to act now. Time to change our current headless chicken scaremongering and accept the facts and start engineering our enviroment to cope with the coming differences.

But, given this country in the next ten years is going to experience an energy crisis, perhaps our prayers are answered, if it is going to become hotter and sunnier, then there is one possibility for solar energy generation and heating. Higher winds, wind farms etc. More rain, hydro electric power.

But what does gall me, is this carbon credits thing, this apparent need to offset the damage to the enviroment by making people pay  for the perceived damage, like it ever bothered them before. The biggest destroyer of enviroment is industry, it always has been and always will be, why is it assumed the  people are to blame.

And whilst those that believe are paying carbon credits for perceived damage,

there are others that play in this sad episode

Military have to train to do their job, but jollies, are they really necessary, and I do think the military should be reigning in their impact on the planet, if it is that the planet is in such danger.

I persoanally think we should have been listening to engineers all along, maybe the scientists, but them tempered with logic. The politicians should be responding to good sense from professional people, not grabbing sound bites to scare the population. Just to remember, politicians are the servants of the people, not the teachers.



It really depends on the "group of level headed people that preach what you believe to be true.  Climate change predictions are about as soundly based in science as the truth about a God.  You either believe or you don' believe, it seems to me.  It's one giant, and very expensive chess game, with strong players on both sides.  Politicians, however see tremendous opportunity for power in climate change and your annoyance over carbon taxes nails it...what else can governments tax that will no result in riots in the street.  "Carbon emissions".with even the new President of the United States saying that he will tax the utilities that build coal fired plants until they are bankrupt!  Now that's power.  Heck, they even came up with a study that farting cows were destroying the planet with their CO2 emissions.  Will humans be next.  Like in the mandatory wearing of seatbelts, I can see a day when we will all be issued corks to shove up our butts to save the planet!  (Now if it was a dildo...but I digress".
Patrick Michaels at the Cato Institute has written a number of well thought out essays on the foolishiness of first "Global Warming" and now called "Climate Change" because the planet actually has been colder. 
http://www.catostore.org/index.asp?fa=ProductDetails&method=&pid=1441420

Countless others have written similar opposing views, such as Joe Bastardi of AcuWeather who highlights the media and political assumptions after any event that the cause was climate change..
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2007/10/an_interview_with_joe_bastardi_1.html

The main point of it all, I believe, is the immense power and source of tax funds that the scare tactics used by politicians give them over our lives.

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 6:01:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		My personal take on it is that the planet is changing, like it always ever did, and I suppose if we don't do something stupid and fuck it up completely, always will, it is palimpsest.

What the planet does, is necessary for itself to live and the rest of us, the things that grow and otherwise perambulate over it, do so as a by product, perhaps a parasitic entity.

Life, it seems has to live, why, that is the eternal question, but life it seems is necessary, what else could describe the way life tries to grow in the most difficult and unbelievable conditions possible, but life has to adapt to the enviroment, not as it seems some humans seem to think.

The trouble with humans is arrogance, we are an arrogant life form, we believe what we find to be true because we can explain it, it fits within our box of comprehension, we ignore what it seems is outside the box.

Just because we have developed methods of measurement, we believe we are right, and it seems those that measure and define seem to suddenly to have become experts on the situation, as if they know it all, they have identified a pattern and so believe the pattern must continue the way the pattern based upon the past indicates it should.

But what if there are no patterns, no cycles and what has been found is purely coincidence or so close to as to be indistinguishable from exact, based upon our measuring methods, methods that are evolving daily.

The whole global warming , cooling, change thing, just how much will it affect the normal person on the street, could it just be, ''It's hot, ok, I won't spend much time out in this, and do what I need to do when it's cooler. Oh, that tree died, when did it die, I remember getting apples off it when I was a kid , oh fuck, the river is coming up higher, better think about moving my stuff'' etc. Everything is changing all of the time, it is just us, we take snapshots in time and there fuelled by the measurers and politicians, believe something is going wrong, a scientist said it, so they must be right.

Just get on with life and do as every lifeform has ever done, adapt to the conditions of life or die, it is that simple. Just pray those in power don't do something stupid like detonating crap in earth's core or any other hair brained stupid notion in the mistaken belief they are right or know it all.

Would'nt life be boring if it was static and we knew it all.


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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 6:33:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: corysub
We live on a planet that has "continents that are moving"....volcano's that belch gases in the air with a few, including one of the biggest being the Yellowstone caldera that could easily end life on the planet.  And I am supposed to worry that my aerosol can of spray, my refrigerator, my car, cow farts, and who knows what else they might come up with are destroying the planet.

The problem with society is some will listen to a doctor if their individual health is affected because they accept some people know more about certain things than them. When however educated people argue that the worlds health is being affected the attitude is "Let us put our lab coat on and pretend we know more than nothing about the world climate patterns." This happens because it's easier to indulge your comforts and ignore the need for self discipline than have faith in the argument and change your attitudes in line with that argument that is just a big inconvenience to you. Also told you are dying you want to prevent it but told the human population could be wiped out in years to come you don't often care unless you've got descendants who could be affected by it. That is the definition of selfishness and it has nothing to do with how convinced by the science you are, you'll always think that way and always act as you please finding crackpot alternatives to commonly held beliefs, arguing that science isn't always right take Newton vs Einstein bollocks.

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Climate Change...previously called Global Warming until the cold winters and the ice caps started to rebuild, is the biggest scam in history...designed to give those that believe in Big Government and control over the masses an issue that does not have a solution but will keep going on and on....

Stop spreading ignorance because the ice caps are not rebuilding, look at some historic aerial photos. Also understand that global warming is defined on a global basis and not a local basis; no one is putting forward the theory of local warming or saying that in your local area your temperatures will increase. People have though been saying you'll experience more unpredictable weather and more tropical storms than you'd expect for the same period in the past, has this become true?
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We are in an economic crisis...people are being fired...and we just passed a 1,000 pages of legislation that wll be building windmills and a grid to channel whatever high cost energy they emit...We have an abundance of coal...means nothing to these people who would rather try to harness the tides...we have nuclear that so many countries in the world on expanding..the cleanest of all the alternative fuels...but not In America...once on the leading edge of technology, now putting up 15th century windmills made of steel...

The world recognises the need for greener energy creating technology you will not be able to export dirty technology to them, haven’t you learnt anything from the car industry and how other nations have stolen a march on you regarding green technology that is just as valuable to export if not more so than any other technology. You can choke yourselves with your global disregard, you'll be isolated and the world will move on leaving you behind.
 

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 6:42:44 AM   
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Glad y'all are okay Irish.  I'm thankful we didn't get any of that mess down in this part of the state. 

Thanks. 

I still have neighbors without power due to the damage to the infrastructure here.  They said that there were something like 20,000 power poles taken down in Arkansas alone.  It took me 2 days and a chain on my chainsaw to get to pavement the first time.  I have since helped clear roads, handed out food and water to people in need, and have even responded to a medical emergency because the fire dept's paramedic was not available.

Strangely enough, our county judge drug his feet in filing the disaster area paperwork with both the state and federal governments.  We were the last county in Arkansas to be declared a disaster area due to his ineptness.

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 7:40:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: corysub
We live on a planet that has "continents that are moving"....volcano's that belch gases in the air with a few, including one of the biggest being the Yellowstone caldera that could easily end life on the planet.  And I am supposed to worry that my aerosol can of spray, my refrigerator, my car, cow farts, and who knows what else they might come up with are destroying the planet.


The problem with society is some will listen to a doctor if their individual health is affected because they accept some people know more about certain things than them. When however educated people argue that the worlds health is being affected the attitude is "Let us put our lab coat on and pretend we know more than nothing about the world climate patterns." This happens because it's easier to indulge your comforts and ignore the need for self discipline than have faith in the argument and change your attitudes in line with that argument that is just a big inconvenience to you. Also told you are dying you want to prevent it but told the human population could be wiped out in years to come you don't often care unless you've got descendants who could be affected by it. That is the definition of selfishness and it has nothing to do with how convinced by the science you are, you'll always think that way and always act as you please finding crackpot alternatives to commonly held beliefs, arguing that science isn't always right take Newton vs Einstein bollocks.
 
You, of course, are not spreading ignorance as you put it by ignoring  the writings of "educated people" who you disagree with, also experts in climatology and study of the physics of the planet who "disagree" as those scientists NOT QUOTED.. in the United Nations report on  Climate Change.  It's no different than those who believe that CNN and the New York Times are the politically correct media with all the news that's fit to distort, while Fox is an extremist right wing whatever... It IS ignorance when you don't review what people who are experts say contrary to the popular belief and weigh the two opinons.   There is more CO2coming  belching from  the volcano now erupting in Columbia I would guess than many countries would send into the atmosphere in a decade of burning platic bags. 


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Climate Change...previously called Global Warming until the cold winters and the ice caps started to rebuild, is the biggest scam in history...designed to give those that believe in Big Government and control over the masses an issue that does not have a solution but will keep going on and on....


Stop spreading ignorance because the ice caps are not rebuilding, look at some historic aerial photos. Also understand that global warming is defined on a global basis and not a local basis; no one is putting forward the theory of local warming or saying that in your local area your temperatures will increase. People have though been saying you'll experience more unpredictable weather and more tropical storms than you'd expect for the same period in the past, has this become true?
 
Yes..lets look at some historic...AND CURRENT photo's.  And by the way, I do understand the meaning of the word "global"...so please disagree with me ..but don't patronize me.  As far as storms..we we supposed to have half a dozen killer storms after Katrina as all the "experts" rushed to give their extrapoloated projections of events.  I rest my case.
                          http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh

And while there have been recent studies regarding the ice pack in Antartica, some "Green" scientists who are among those concerned about Climate change and sea levels also caution:
Any careful assessment of the sea-level hazard associated with the loss of major ice reservoirs must, of course, account for the sea-level fingerprint of other sources of meltwater, namely Greenland, the East Antarctic and mountain glaciers. The most important lesson is that scientists and policy makers should focus on projections that avoid simplistic assumptions."
Kathleen Wren
5 February 2009
                   http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2009/0205sp_sea_level.shtml

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We are in an economic crisis...people are being fired...and we just passed a 1,000 pages of legislation that wll be building windmills and a grid to channel whatever high cost energy they emit...We have an abundance of coal...means nothing to these people who would rather try to harness the tides...we have nuclear that so many countries in the world on expanding..the cleanest of all the alternative fuels...but not In America...once on the leading edge of technology, now putting up 15th century windmills made of steel...


The world recognises the need for greener energy creating technology you will not be able to export dirty technology to them, haven’t you learnt anything from the car industry and how other nations have stolen a march on you regarding green technology that is just as valuable to export if not more so than any other technology. You can choke yourselves with your global disregard, you'll be isolated and the world will move on leaving you behind.
 
Excuse me..but the American car industry was not beaten because Toyata and Honda beat them in the march towards "green cars".  The American car industry lost their competitive edge with inferior products, lack of innovative styling and a dysfunctional dealer repair system. Why do you think consumer pressure forced the enactment of "lemon laws"...that legislation did not refer to citrus fruit as some might think.  There was also an advantage given to the Japanese by aggressive currency intervention that General Motors estimated gave the Japanese manufacturers a $3,000 to $9,000 cost advantage. So please...spare the the green gobbledegook....about the Japanese winning the race to toy cars. The company may be called TOYota...but them make damn fine cars....and they don't have the UAW sucking the cash flow from the companies.  Good news guy..you and me are now going to pay for the medical benefits of all those 55 year old unions retirees (nice work if you can get it,huh) who now qualify for medicare when Obama signs this legislation that buttfucks the American taxpayer withhout lube.
                              http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL33178.pdf
 
As far as the world leaving the Untied States behind..if that world is across the Atlantic..you have got to be kidding.  If that world is across the Pacific, yes.. I'm damned worried about China and India...and please don't tell me they are leaders in this green nonsense. Europe is broke..the U.S. is broke...and we are going to build those windmills and harness the tides..
And people joke about the crazy "tulip bubble that crashed in Holland"...Green economics would be as laugable..but maybe in 500 years...right now it's destroying our economy.


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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 7:58:46 AM   
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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 8:39:20 AM   
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You, of course, are not spreading ignorance as you put it by ignoring  the writings of "educated people" who you disagree with, also experts in climatology and study of the physics of the planet who "disagree" as those scientists NOT QUOTED.. in the United Nations report on  Climate Change. 

I've not heard any educated person say CO2 particulates don't absorb heat and don't lead to a warming of the atmosphere, also I've not heard any educated person say records don't indicate there is more CO2 in the atmosphere solely due to industry. What I do hear is a bunch of "Yes it is happening but we simple beings didn't cause it" or "yes it is happening but we can't fix it now so fuck it." That's not constructive so I ignore it, there is an element of faith required in any theory but you take indicative patterns from many diverse fields such as the reduction in sea life, the melting of the ice caps, and post industrial weather records to establish a bigger picture. Some will oppose all that but all they can do is speak from the one specific field they have an interest in, and that is far from disproving all the other aspects to the theory.
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Yes..lets look at some historic...AND CURRENT photo's.  And by the way, I do understand the meaning of the word "global"...so please disagree with me ..but don't patronize me.  As far as storms..we we supposed to have half a dozen killer storms after Katrina as all the "experts" rushed to give their extrapoloated projections of events.  I rest my case.
                          http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh
 
And while there have been recent studies regarding the ice pack in Antartica, some "Green" scientists who are among those concerned about Climate change and sea levels also caution:
Any careful assessment of the sea-level hazard associated with the loss of major ice reservoirs must, of course, account for the sea-level fingerprint of other sources of meltwater, namely Greenland, the East Antarctic and mountain glaciers. The most important lesson is that scientists and policy makers should focus on projections that avoid simplistic assumptions."
Kathleen Wren
5 February 2009
                   http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2009/0205sp_sea_level.shtml

Anyone that tries to create the idea that ice is reforming is basically ignoring the geological age of the earth and the fact it takes an ice age to form this ice that we have lost in the first place, not a couple of cold winters. If I'm to believe you then the only thing that has a bearing on ice melting/reforming is the spin/tilt of the earth, this is cyclic and happens over a return period of 365 days, yet the patterns don't repeat on that cycle so something else is obviously at play here, no? The mechanics of the ice melting is that it is happening at an exponential rate due to the fact that when it melts it creates dark areas that absorb more heat and so melt more ice. Ice will not move and reform elsewhere that is a scientific impossibility given all we know about heat being reflected off of bright surfaces and absorbed by dark ones. The ice is there because the ice is there, yes it retracts and grows during the year but it retracts more than it grows these days.
You can look at other regions but the Ice caps melting represent the greatest risk to sea life due to the fact when that much fresh water ends up in the ocean it will shut down sea currents and halt the transportation of nutrients, sea life depends on. You’d think Kathleen Wren could spell Antarctica being as she is an expert apparently.
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As far as the world leaving the Untied States behind..if that world is across the Atlantic..you have got to be kidding.  If that world is across the Pacific, yes.. I'm damned worried about China and India...and please don't tell me they are leaders in this green nonsense. Europe is broke..the U.S. is broke...and we are going to build those windmills and harness the tides..
And people joke about the crazy "tulip bubble that crashed in Holland"...Green economics would be as laugable..but maybe in 500 years...right now it's destroying our economy.

The argument that green technology is destroying you economy is the kind of nonsense holding development back. Very un-American to not see the opportunity for profit where others fear to tread. China will build cars to the specification of the people they can sell them to, that isn’t what makes them great. It's no more costly to build a hybrid than a traditional car, the technology is out there, the only reason it isn't popular has more to do with romance and less to do with cost.
Thanks for your concern regarding Europe, Continental Europe is far from broke for the most part: they don't have exposure to the housing crisis, so can recover quickly because the debt is with the banks not the consumers, the only thing lacking is confidence.


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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 8:43:13 AM   
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No other creature on this planet affects the environment like man does. When you see the smog in major urban areas, how can you say it does not affect climate? True volcanoes do have their own impact on climate, but that is natural and it doesn't occur constantly and is in isolated regions. Air pollution (the biggest factor in this) occurs daily on a massive scale globally. It is also statistically proven that since the modern age of man global warming (or climate change if you prefer) has been increasing every decade since the late 1800's, with large spikes in the decades when electricty became commonplace, and another when automobiles became the standard.

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 8:46:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good post, FC, you stick up for yourself. Not sure about the analysis of European economies but  you're a true green-clad eco-ninja.

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 9:01:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks
Good post, FC, you stick up for yourself. Not sure about the analysis of European economies but  you're a true green-clad eco-ninja.

Yeah I was trying to be positive about the economy because all I hear these days is it's going to be far worse than we expected. Part of me wonders if it would be half as bad if people had confidence to spend i.e. not be constantly told by the media how bad it is or watching a government struggle to get to grips with it by implementing short term interest rate changes they don't wait to see the results of. Gordon Brown argues the conservatives would do nothing but perhaps nothing is the best approach because it gives the impression the government has confidence things will get better left alone. I'm not looking forward to the next election I have a feeling that someone who's only life experience is running a PR company is going to win. The sad fact is Gordon Brown is more focused on UK policy than Tony Blair ever was, he just inherited some bad shit, I would vote for him over Blair. You can fix the roof when it’s not raining but it isn’t going to stop the damaging effects of cats and dogs.

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RE: Climate change is here, now what ? - 2/15/2009 5:10:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Just get on with life and do as every lifeform has ever done, adapt to the conditions of life or die, it is that simple. Just pray those in power don't do something stupid like detonating crap in earth's core or any other hair brained stupid notion in the mistaken belief they are right or know it all.

Would'nt life be boring if it was static and we knew it all.



Positively....enjoy every day that is given to you to the fullest.  I only wish I had learned that lesson years ago.

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