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TheHeretic -> Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 9:56:52 AM)

       I guess we'll just have to wait and see if Homeless Henrietta gets the same scrutiny that Joe the Plumber did, and whether the mainstream media runs with it as hard.  She may not be the ideal "face of the economic crisis."

    According to this article;
http://www.winknews.com/news/local/39518252.html
Ms. Hughes was recently offered low income housing, and turned it down, because it wasn't a no strings handout.  She can't afford to pay rent because of a storage unit bill???  Watch the video.  Where is she going to get $400 a month to pay rent, when her disability (whatever) check is only twice that?   How about that strapping young fellow sitting next to her does a bit of day labor, or mows some lawns?  (And now that they have a free place to live, will he bother to mow that one?)

      Now, saying this in the OP, as I've said it many times before, probably won't make a damn bit of difference, but I'm glad we have a safety net.  My issue is with the people and policies that turn it into a comfy hammock that breeds laziness, contempt for a work ethic, and a multi-generational entitlement mentality.

     That is what Homeless Henrietta might be the face of.  One hand in the public/private charity box, and the other clutching her excuses with a deathgrip.  And when her Section 8 case gets expedited to the head of the line, some low income family where the head of the household works his/her ass off is going to have to wait that much longer to get their own voucher.

              Is Henrietta Hughes the model we want for who gets "urgent" services? 



popeye1250 -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 10:16:42 AM)

Heretic, that's odd, I was just reading an article in "Change.org" about the growing problem of "white collar homelessness."
There are increasing numbers of white collar workers now showing up at homeless shelters.
And this "global-economy" that big business and politicians told us would be "good for us" has become a total disaster!
It's to the point right now that if you walk into a Walmart and buy a product that's made in China or another foreign country you're cutting your own throat!
We should have people outside of Walmarts yelling "SCAB!" at the people comming out of them.



Lockit -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 12:04:17 PM)

Now this is a messy one.  Coming from running a helping agency or two and knowing some of the games people play and how the people that run things can sometimes play their own money games... it was hard to decipher.  I think there are a lot of games being played here and that includes how I question how this woman and her son got so damn close to the president and able to talk at all.  Where did they shower and clean up because I tell you... I lived in a car and there is no way you can look that good!  You might clean up and not look bad... but I am sorry.. freashly pressed clothes are a thing of the past!

Six years and he can't find any job... not one job?  No friggin way even in this economy.  Homeless since 2003... but 47,000. in 2005... that would reasonably be enough to get a cheap place to live and doubtful they would live in a car then because everyone knows you can't impress anyone with your nice clothes if you can't shower and keep the clothes up.  The story isn't ringing true even when I try to understand how things might have happened that we don't know about.

Plus... if she is on disability, it take time to get it.  When did she get it?  There would have been a large payment from the wait to be approved.  So if they had 47,000. and she had disability at that time... they would have made it longer on those funds if they were handling the money with half a brain.  If she wasn't on disabilty at that time, she would have gotten another lump sum of money for SSD after the 47,000.

I know I had some help from friends... but for the most part... for two years I supported my son and I on less than five hundred a month from the small income I have rather than disabilty I could qualify for.

I am leaning towards them being a plant though.  But then that doesn't reason out becuase if they were a plant... why didn't those that planted them in the audiance check them out a bit better?  I know just getting into the shelter, I asked a lot of questions and I held those people accountable.  I did not charge them like the director before me and I didn't screw the tax payers like the owners of the shelter.. and why I left because they were expecting me to charge the tax payer or fema/social services for people that didn't stay at the shelter.

This woman and son, no matter what... are not the one's that should be getting help.  But then, look who is being helped with this new bill and it's provisions.  A bill passed without one person reading all... over 1000 pages of it.

I think there is a lot more that will come of this little story.. but this fact is clear in my mind... we are all in serious trouble.



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 12:40:15 PM)

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Six years and he can't find any job... not one job?  No friggin way even in this economy.


Agreed.  I see jobs in the paper everyday; not great jobs, but avaliable jobs.  Everytime I go by a fast food joint, they're advertising on signs for employees.  Now I can understand not wanting to work there when you're in your 30's.  But if it comes down to me living in my truck......Here's your Big Mac pal, have a nice Mcfuckin' day.



Lockit -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 1:01:56 PM)

LOL slaveboyforyou...  When I first got to Colorado in 97, my first job just to have a job was at a Dairy Queen.  I did like the benefit's though!  Hot fudge everyday and a sweet bbq beef and chips, all for about a dollar!  I made some friends, connected more, found better living situations and work.  Ended up with my own business till 911.  Where there is a will there is a way... but I do have to wonder... will it get so bad that even with a will, you can't find a way?  Hell, I am pretty done in here... but I am still looking for something I can make happen, but as things get worse... it looks pretty bad for that.  But I am trying to network.  Getting some guys who do home repair/ flipping mobile homes, showing me their projects.  Who knows... I might pick up some design work once in a while.  They keep saying I am pretty handy... (They saw me work with a drill, hehe) and they love the designs and projects I have shared with them.



Aileen1968 -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 1:09:43 PM)

Seems as if Gobama vetted her as well as he did all of the others...



FullCircle -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 1:12:31 PM)

OK I've just done some digging and it turns out she isn't homeless and her name is Eric.



corysub -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 1:14:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Heretic, that's odd, I was just reading an article in "Change.org" about the growing problem of "white collar homelessness."
There are increasing numbers of white collar workers now showing up at homeless shelters.
And this "global-economy" that big business and politicians told us would be "good for us" has become a total disaster!
It's to the point right now that if you walk into a Walmart and buy a product that's made in China or another foreign country you're cutting your own throat!
We should have people outside of Walmarts yelling "SCAB!" at the people comming out of them.


Those people coming out of Wal-Mart are mostly hard working middle class people who probably have two jobs, a couple of kids and appreciate the value they get for their money in a Wal-Mart.  They sure don't go to a Wal-Mart because of the asthetics.  Just watch you who call a "scab"....if you want to throw names out at people why don't you go down to Washington and scream names at the politicians as they get into their limo's to go to another dinner sponsored by a lobbiest.  Those are the scabs...the scum of our society.  They don't care about you or me..or anyone else but themselves and how they can put money into places that benefit them..and screw the country.
The guy and his wife shopping for shoes for the kids is not making life unbearable for us...look to Pelosi and Reid for that...and watch the coming months as the popularity fades for  Messiah who is on TV every day still running for office..his only ability it seems...



UncleNasty -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 4:35:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

   but I'm glad we have a safety net.  



By what standard are you measuring the existence of a safety net? I've not seen evidence to support your statement.

Uncle Nasty



TheHeretic -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 5:04:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UncleNasty

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

 but I'm glad we have a safety net.  



By what standard are you measuring the existence of a safety net? I've not seen evidence to support your statement.

Uncle Nasty


     Really?  Never heard of it, huh?  Here is a primer, http://www.welfareinfo.org/.   


     Now if you were just being a bit snarky, and know damn well what welfare is, I'll encourage you to have a read of this article, http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/memphis-crime.  Interesting stuff.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 6:22:38 PM)

It should be noted that Henrietta asked for two things: a home and a job. She didn't ask for a free ride. She asked for a way that she could support herself and her children. I personally don't see those two requests as terribly unreasonable. 



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 6:26:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit


This woman and son, no matter what... are not the one's that should be getting help.  But then, look who is being helped with this new bill and it's provisions.  A bill passed without one person reading all... over 1000 pages of it.




Why is it that when the Patriot Act, a bill that destroyed over two hundred years worth of constitutional tradition in this country, was rammed through with no one reading it, the conservatives billed this as a great step forward. When a penny of government money may go to those who need help, suddenly it is time to start reading through every line? Can we at least admit the truth: The conservative position is always against any government safety net and in favor of letting those who do find themselves in dire need of help die on the street as a matter of course.



TheHeretic -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 6:45:01 PM)

       What the hell does the Patriot Act have to do with welfare?

      As for your notion of the "conservative position" always being against welfare, I reject it as nonsense.  I'm a conservative.  Is that the position I took in the OP?



TheHeretic -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 7:19:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Can we at least admit the truth: The conservative position is always ... in favor of letting those who do find themselves in dire need of help die on the street as a matter of course.




        Ok.  I get it.  LaM, is that you?



MasterShake69 -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 7:33:25 PM)

How about give her a job as a paid Obamas intern.  she can be obamas, monica lewinski ;)
She can sleep in one of the whitehosue rooms ;)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

It should be noted that Henrietta asked for two things: a home and a job. She didn't ask for a free ride. She asked for a way that she could support herself and her children. I personally don't see those two requests as terribly unreasonable. 



MasterShake69 -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 7:37:15 PM)


so hope and change has turned into more of the same with George W. Obama ;)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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ORIGINAL: Lockit


This woman and son, no matter what... are not the one's that should be getting help.  But then, look who is being helped with this new bill and it's provisions.  A bill passed without one person reading all... over 1000 pages of it.




Why is it that when the Patriot Act, a bill that destroyed over two hundred years worth of constitutional tradition in this country, was rammed through with no one reading it, the conservatives billed this as a great step forward. When a penny of government money may go to those who need help, suddenly it is time to start reading through every line? Can we at least admit the truth: The conservative position is always against any government safety net and in favor of letting those who do find themselves in dire need of help die on the street as a matter of course.




Lockit -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 8:24:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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ORIGINAL: Lockit


This woman and son, no matter what... are not the one's that should be getting help.  But then, look who is being helped with this new bill and it's provisions.  A bill passed without one person reading all... over 1000 pages of it.




Why is it that when the Patriot Act, a bill that destroyed over two hundred years worth of constitutional tradition in this country, was rammed through with no one reading it, the conservatives billed this as a great step forward. When a penny of government money may go to those who need help, suddenly it is time to start reading through every line? Can we at least admit the truth: The conservative position is always against any government safety net and in favor of letting those who do find themselves in dire need of help die on the street as a matter of course.



Don't put words in my mouth.  I can get myself into enough trouble without your assistance.  I did not comment on any other bill and you cannot know what I would say if I had.  I find it insane... all of it.. that they sign a bill that will cost this country and tax payers without reading it and knowing what they are imposing upon everyone.

If you are going to push a point.. use your own damn words to do it, not a snipit of mine.  I have no stand politically on either side of this.  I will sit myself where ever I wish to sit... and I don't need them talking for me or you and I don't need people assuming I am saying something I am not.

I believe those that need assistance should have assistance, but... I cannot go into all my belief's on anything on a message board post.  I have worked in the field of social agencies and helping those that need assistance.. if you had given any attention to the other things I said, and I have seen a lot of abuse on all sides, from the clients and those that offered assistance, including stupid government choices on how things were done at tax payer expense.  This woman's story does not ring true to me even if she asked for a job for her or her son.  The numbers don't add up.. the time frames don't add up and who the hell takes six years to get a job?  She could still get help from the agency that offered her assistance, but I dare say... they know what she is up to more than you or I or anyone else.

So point your finger.. but don't use me to do it.



MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 8:47:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
When a penny of government money



Never thought I'd meet the man who couldn't tell the difference between a penny and a hundred trillion pennies.  But here he is in person.

But, out of fairness, inflationary spending will make a trillion dollars incrementally closer in value to a penny, so your inverse hyperbole may be on track.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 9:51:32 PM)

I can tell very well the difference between a trillion dollars and a penny. Now if you could tell me how this 780 billion dollar stimulus plan has suddenly become all "welfare" I would be very grateful. 



Lockit -> RE: Homeless Henrietta: A handout, not a hand (2/14/2009 9:57:38 PM)

Who said it was all about welfare?



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