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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 2:02:16 PM   
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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 2:11:02 PM   
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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 2:14:37 PM   
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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 2:15:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Based upon my communication with the women that you are talking about, they would rather chew glass than explain themselves, yet again, on this topic.

I've read plenty of these threads and plenty of posts by some really awesome women that have their own special version of female supremacy. I get it, I understand how they think of it and how it works for them in their world. I even agree with some of it. I also know that they don't feel they need to shove it down the throats of the world at large. It is simply their thing, in their life. Sort of a take it or leave it. Most women that are really secure in themselves don't feel they need to convert every Tom, Dick or Harriet. They just want to focus on doing their own thing and being happy and fullfilled doing it.

I also understand why they are sick to death of discussing the subject.


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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 3:27:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Based upon my communication with the women that you are talking about, they would rather chew glass than explain themselves, yet again, on this topic.

I've read plenty of these threads and plenty of posts by some really awesome women that have their own special version of female supremacy. I get it, I understand how they think of it and how it works for them in their world. I even agree with some of it. I also know that they don't feel they need to shove it down the throats of the world at large. It is simply their thing, in their life. Sort of a take it or leave it. Most women that are really secure in themselves don't feel they need to convert every Tom, Dick or Harriet. They just want to focus on doing their own thing and being happy and fullfilled doing it.

I also understand why they are sick to death of discussing the subject.



Funnily enough - despite everything I've said here - I can understand that.  I don't need validation from any science, any brand of religion or mysticism or any individual for my own feelings of submission and I assume a lot of dominants are likewise about their feelings of dominance. 

But if people want to pick some kind of validation to help them along, or a body of ideas that helps their view of the universe make more sense in some way, then I'm usually fine with it.  Quiet, personal beliefs never really bother me.  I'm something of what they call an epistemological anarchist (yes, I know I should go to the doctor's to get that seen to ). 

The big difference is that when a belief is asserted as objective fact - that is, something that should be accepted by everyone - then it becomes a pain.  The more so if it's asserted loudly and insistently  Frankly, at that point, it also begins to look like protesting too much.  For instance, I tend to think that if A really were superior to B, then B would know it and wouldn't need to be told.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 5:55:53 PM   
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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:26:25 PM   
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Perhaps his posting in this thread is a lesson in humiliation for him.





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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:31:15 PM   
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I'm writing an article for a DNA conference in my other window.  Despite your claims of having done "research," you can't produce a single article supporting your position from a peer-reviewed academic publication, because 99.999% of biologists think your position is BS.  I'm going with the vast majority of actual, professional scientists on this one.  You can hang out with the perpetual-motion-machiners and the aluminum-hat-wearers for the rest of your life, if you so desire.

Your Lady used to have a #1 slave who was brilliant.  It's a shame.



Translation: Ad hominem per evisceratus argumentus


P.s. There aren't many scientists that will argue the facts presented. How they are tied together? Well, sure. Not everyone even cares to think about male / Female differences in terms of superiority or inferiority, but for those that do, biology is an interesting place to start. Apparently, some biologists and geneticists think so, too.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:46:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Based upon my communication with the women that you are talking about, they would rather chew glass than explain themselves, yet again, on this topic.



There's no reason for anyone to get upset about the discussion. In fact, it would be nice to advance past the biology some people seem so stuck on and discuss Female excellence from the social, behavioral and spiritual pathways as well. But I somehow doubt the further conversation will be productive. Call that a hunch. Chances are the other women feel the same way too.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/18/2009 8:49:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		And there are "historians" who have written actual books in which they claim the Holocaust never happened.

It is not "ad hominem" to point out that you are garnering absolutely no support for your call-the-mothership beliefs, while another poster who, in the past, had your same sig line, earned wide-ranging respect from people on the boards.  A personal belief in "female supremacy for me and mine" is not an issue.  Bozo-osity disguised as science, however, is.

The fact that a tagteam of dominant women and at least one scientist are all telling you that your position is pseudoscientific bunk might indicate that you could stand to rethink your views.  But then, I make assessments from facts, not wishful fetishization.


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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 3:54:28 AM   
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want to focus on doing their own thing and being happy and fullfilled doing it.
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Based upon my communication with the women that you are talking about, they would rather chew glass than explain themselves, yet again, on this topic.



There's no reason for anyone to get upset about the discussion. In fact, it would be nice to advance past the biology some people seem so stuck on and discuss Female excellence from the social, behavioral and spiritual pathways as well. But I somehow doubt the further conversation will be productive. Call that a hunch. Chances are the other women feel the same way too.


Hey, I would love it if all women were superiour! However, given that I've spent a good deal of my 46almost47 years around them, I know differently. Even on these forums we see examples of less than superiour behaviour. Knowing them as well as I do, do I think they have the tools to be so, why yes I do! Unfortunately, too many either deny the existance of those tools or revert to the easier ways that has been societally ingrained. Having the tools does not make a master woodworker, knowing how and when, to use those tools, does.

I am of the mind that the proof is in the pudding. When they (women) prove they are superiour by their behaviour, then you will convince me.

Oh, and trust me in this........there is no way you, or anyone else on these forums has the ability to upset me.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 10:39:14 AM   
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It seems you're missing the point. Even if your "facts" are correct as you report them.



There is really no even if shoulder room there, but if you insist on it being present, I won't stop you.


Good. Because there is room to dispute what you report as fact.


I await the results of your homework.


What you're really asking me to do is YOUR homework for you, because you haven't done it adequately. You are stating beliefs as indisputable "facts", even though they are NOT unquestionably accepted by the scientific community. You said several times "No one can dispute ...". All that is necessary to prove you wrong is dispute from that scientific community, and that has already been done by several people on this thread. Your homework should include not only citing information that supports your claims, but also researching information that does NOT support them.

I hate doing your homework for you, but here's a start (and it only took a few minutes):
Does the Fetus Begin as Female?
Morphological sex differentiation in the human embryo

Quote from the second link above:
"The genetic sex of the human embryo is determined at the time of ferilisation, either XX for female , or XY for male. Morphological sex differentiation begins six weeks after fertilisation, at which time the gonad begins to differentiate into either a testis or an ovary; until this time the enbryonic gonads of either sex are morphologically indistinguishable." That is not a "female template", but a neutral template.


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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 3:10:06 PM   
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And there are "historians" who have written actual books in which they claim the Holocaust never happened.

It is not "ad hominem" to point out that you are garnering absolutely no support for your call-the-mothership beliefs, while another poster who, in the past, had your same sig line, earned wide-ranging respect from people on the boards.  A personal belief in "female supremacy for me and mine" is not an issue.  Bozo-osity disguised as science, however, is.

The fact that a tagteam of dominant women and at least one scientist are all telling you that your position is pseudoscientific bunk might indicate that you could stand to rethink your views.  But then, I make assessments from facts, not wishful fetishization.


And I find it curious that you have yet to argue past hurling insults and guesses. Anyway, speaking of facts and assessment, in review:


The Female has two XX chromsomes, the male has one X chromosome and a smaller Y. The XX more than 1,000 genes and 160 million base pairs of DNA. The Y chromosome - 78 genes, 23 million DNA subunits. Over an extensive period of time, the Y chromosome has been slowly degrading.

http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/517/0
http://www.learner.org/courses/biology/archive/images/1933_d.html


In nearly all cases, Mitochondrial DNA (cellular organelles that manufacture and process most of the energy that our cells need to function) are passed matrilineally.

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/chromosome=MT
http://www.dna-worldwide.com/ancestry-testing/female-ancestry/


Genetic diseases on average aflfict males more than Females, and baby boys are one-and-a-half to two times more likely to die at birth than girls.

http://www.mda.org/publications/gen_inhr.html
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/birthdefects/monitor/vol9-2.shtm
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-men/2008/6/13/7-reasons-men-die-first.html
http://www2.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=fffbfc6d-38c4-463b-8b8a-6f2d367b1c5f


Females mature and develope faster than boys.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2504460&page=2
http://www.aap.org/publiced/BR_Teen_Puberty.htm


The hub for emotion and memory in Females is generally larger than in males. Parts of the frontal lobe, which houses decision-making and problem-solving functions, are proportionally larger in Females, as is the limbic cortex, which regulates emotions.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=women-have-a-better-memory-for-faces-and-words


Females overall have higher lifespans than males.

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/news/life_expectancy_varies_between_men_and_women.htm
http://www.who.int/docstore/world-health-day/en/pages1999/whd99_4.html
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1998/10.01/WhyWomenLiveLon.html


Men commit a substantially greater amount of violent crime than Women. Of the total number of homicide victims in a 2004 study, 78 percent were male and 22 percent were female. A breakdown of the data by gender showed that 90.1 percent of the offenders were male and 9.9 percent were female.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html


Overall, Females show better memory retention than males, and boys are clasified as learning disabled at twice the rate of girls.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=women-have-a-better-memory-for-faces-and-words
http://www.springerlink.com/content/4evpvabpqdjjxvnm/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-07-22-memory_x.htm


Of course, there's plenty of factual and empirical observations supporting the collective social and maternal importance of Females, too. But nevermind that for now. I'm curious to know what a scientist has to say about the above statements. If you don't nessessarily feel like refuting them, then I can only conclude you just don't like the subject in general.

By the way, here are some supporitng books worthy of a gander for more information. Nothing refuting the holocaust. I promise. :)


http://books.google.com/books?id=FotYiUB_hRMC
http://books.google.com/books?id=RwprLxxpMV4C
http://books.google.com/books?id=_jumAAAAIAAJ
http://books.google.com/books?id=6xyPPPDo0KkC
http://books.google.com/books?id=vfrecNNLAsEC


Oh, and Females Are Mosaics is a good read, too.

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 3:25:32 PM   
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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 3:32:10 PM   
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Quote from the second link above:
"The genetic sex of the human embryo is determined at the time of ferilisation, either XX for female , or XY for male. Morphological sex differentiation begins six weeks after fertilisation, at which time the gonad begins to differentiate into either a testis or an ovary; until this time the enbryonic gonads of either sex are morphologically indistinguishable." That is not a "female template", but a neutral template.



Your links do seem a little outdated.

More updated data indicates that if SRY, the male determinnig gene, does not intervene during a critical window in development, the cells will default to the ovarian pathway. Femaleness results from the absence of any masculinizing genetic factor or hormone acting during the critical period of differentiation. This is why the embryo before sex differentiation is often referred often to as "proto-female".

This is why parthenogenesis is a reproductive option among Females in some parts of the animal world, and possibly ours too, in the near future—but only with the help of technology, as it doesn't ocurr naturally in mammals, I believe.


http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0040211&ct=1&SESSID=ca8ebd6fe3541749caacf8779ddee4f0

http://www.gfmer.ch/Books/Reproductive_health/Human_sexual_differentiation.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3643847.stm

http://menshealth.about.com/od/conditions/a/Nipples_Men.htm

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 3:33:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The irony of this is that the same sorts of things can be used for racial and ethnic differences as well. Either way you appear to have a large case of confirmation bias. Some of what you posted has so many confounds and extraneous variables it's not even funny. I'm not into post modernism but, I'm also not into such a simplistic look. Oh yes, you may want to start looking into peer reviewed journals if you want to get taken seriously by anyone other than the layman (and many won't either).


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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 3:49:21 PM   
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Oh yes, you may want to start looking into peer reviewed journals if you want to get taken seriously by anyone other than the layman (and many won't either).



OMG, I can't believe there isn't much counter argument in here except some for some dusty old links predating my birth, thanks hardbod.

Boys, don't get your jocks in a knot but this is biology 101. It is obvious the female is the basic template by default because she is the one to grow and make the baby and the male is only needed for his fertilizer to provide a little more genetic material.



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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 3:58:52 PM   
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The Female has two XX chromsomes, the male has one X chromosome and a smaller Y. The XX more than 1,000 genes and 160 million base pairs of DNA. The Y chromosome - 78 genes, 23 million DNA subunits. Over an extensive period of time, the Y chromosome has been slowly degrading.

Number of genes is irrelevant to complexity.  Interaction between genes is the reason for complexity.  There are many organisms that are far simpler than a human being that have many more genes than a human being.  It is fundamental misunderstandings like this that demonstrate you deserve no scientific respect.


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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 4:11:08 PM   
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Your links do seem a little outdated.

More updated data indicates that if SRY, the male determinnig gene, does not intervene during a critical window in development, the cells will default to the ovarian pathway. Femaleness results from the absence of any masculinizing genetic factor or hormone acting during the critical period of differentiation. This is why the embryo before sex differentiation is often referred often to as "proto-female".

This is why parthenogenesis is a reproductive option among Females in some parts of the animal world, and possibly ours too, in the near future—but only with the help of technology, as it doesn't ocurr naturally in mammals, I believe.


http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0040211&ct=1&SESSID=ca8ebd6fe3541749caacf8779ddee4f0

http://www.gfmer.ch/Books/Reproductive_health/Human_sexual_differentiation.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3643847.stm

http://menshealth.about.com/od/conditions/a/Nipples_Men.htm



XY, out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

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RE: Experiences of female superiority in real life.. - 2/19/2009 4:49:53 PM   
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I wouldn't recommend going pomo either, Zenny -  but, god, we do need to inject some radical doubt into certain branches of science.  It's still so steeped in authoritarianism.

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