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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 8:47:18 AM   
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The problem is when democrats are losing an issue they cry racism.  The media flock over and the republicans back off from making the needed changes.
It was funny last year for once a democrat used the race card against a fellow democrat.  When Obama used it against Bill Clinton because Obama didnt want his history of supporting the Iraq war revealed.

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The best of intentions often have initially unforeseen consequences. However when the danger became apparent Bush fought to change things but he didn't fight hard enough.
Republicans are too fearful of Democrats using the race card.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Deregulation is not to blame. I will always like Clinton. But, deregulation plus corporate greed is the villian. So If i was going to deregulate say a 2 year old and say do what you want. Or If I was to loosen the slack on a wild teenager, the fallout would not be good. Deregulation in the hands of the ethical could have been a good thing. Clinton was also trying to get loan money into hands of low income people so they too could own a home. Its too bad there is so little ethics and self regulation in this country where the almighty buck is king and screw everyone else if i can profit.



I dont think Clinton passing deregulation Acts, he could have ever imagined in his wildest dreams that this would happen. I do agree he would have fought a lot harder than bush if he was PResident. Others lost faith in Bush and Bush just gave up.

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 8:48:20 AM   
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Yup,just like you and me,he`s human,ie,not a magician,psychic,tarot card reader or prophet.

The only one`s who really knew about this were the perps and the cops who supposed to oversee things,the bushies.

Now we gotta deal with their mess.

You think Obama`s going to listen to a bunch of whiners complain when the health of our financial house is failing?!

We`ll just clean it up and ask the cons to step aside.They don`t even have to help and no thanks is neccessary from them.


So your saying you had no idea the country was in trouble before Obama took office? Why did you think all those companies were asking for bail outs? Why were you screaming that Bush had destroyed our economy? I think a lot more people were aware of it than that. It really wasn't that hard to see. Maybe you and Obama should have picked up a paper in the last couple years. It was in the headlines.

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 8:51:59 AM   
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When Bush was on Vacation was he at Disney world on rides for hours?  Was he out fishing for hours on end?
Or was he out his ranch in a relax setting still doing his job?  With maybe going fishing for a couple hours and then going back to the ranch and doing more executive work?
  When Barry goes on vacation he usually hits the beach and just does nothing.   How often did Bush hit the beach and just do nothing?  



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ORIGINAL: Owner59

It`s like saying the person providing the faster,more competitive car is the one at fault ,when the driver(bush) crashes the car.

Doesn`t work like that.The driver drives and controls the controls.Where the car goes and how it performs,...is his job.

bush was on vacation a 1/3 of the time.That`s over two years of vacation.

The ultimate figure-head CEO.He showed up for the meetings and photo shoots,but otherwise was golfing or fishing or at the non-ranch,..ranch,while "others" ran things.

<thinking about luscious giving good thread....>


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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 8:53:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The problem is when democrats are losing an issue they cry racism.  The media flock over and the republicans back off from making the needed changes.
It was funny last year for once a democrat used the race card against a fellow democrat.  When Obama used it against Bill Clinton because Obama didnt want his history of supporting the Iraq war revealed.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The best of intentions often have initially unforeseen consequences. However when the danger became apparent Bush fought to change things but he didn't fight hard enough.
Republicans are too fearful of Democrats using the race card.

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Deregulation is not to blame. I will always like Clinton. But, deregulation plus corporate greed is the villian. So If i was going to deregulate say a 2 year old and say do what you want. Or If I was to loosen the slack on a wild teenager, the fallout would not be good. Deregulation in the hands of the ethical could have been a good thing. Clinton was also trying to get loan money into hands of low income people so they too could own a home. Its too bad there is so little ethics and self regulation in this country where the almighty buck is king and screw everyone else if i can profit.



I dont think Clinton passing deregulation Acts, he could have ever imagined in his wildest dreams that this would happen. I do agree he would have fought a lot harder than bush if he was PResident. Others lost faith in Bush and Bush just gave up.



Really? I didnt know that all democrats are black or other races other than white? I didnt realize that the Kennedys were Black or hispanic and cried race? Hmmm. News to me. I guess If I am a democrat, I am cryin race too. Who knew?

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 8:58:50 AM   
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What year did we not have a defecit?  What year did out national debt goto zero?  1993???  1994??? 1995??? 1996??? 1997??? 1998??? 1999???? 2000????
It should be a simple answer.  The problem is nobody on the left can answer it.

The answer is NONE!!!

It was a projection based on the economy of the tech boom BUBBLE to last forever  Bubbles never last forever..DUH.  The tech bubble BURST the year before George W took office. 



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ORIGINAL: AmrasL

I'm not American, actually I'm from Western Europe.

In my homeland, in the year 2005, a documentary was made, named "The Day of the Dollar".
It described a at that time "fictional" scenario about what would happen if the dollar were to drop, and the US economy would collapse.
In the backdrop of the scenes in that documentary, the writer, a reasonably well known economist, explains why he wrote the events in the documentary the way he wrote them, and why the US was heading towards a disaster at that moment.

Anyway, if you want the full story with english subs, you can watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuPgdZeAFjA

Why I bring this up though in this discussion, is because its also stated in the documentary that under Clinton, the US economy had never been better. There was no national debt, as a mater a fact, the US had money to spare. It is also pointed out, that under George Bush, the US started building up a national debt again, and this one became higher then ever. Its that national debt, that destroyed the US economy.
Honestly, taking that fact into account, I don't think Bill Clinton is to blame.

The Americans now say they didn't saw it coming, I find that a very amusing comment. Dating back until 2002, students in my homeland were talking about the fact that the US was slowly destroying their economy with the wars that were going on, and the fact that fighting terrorism seemed so much more important then looking after your economy (George Bush always seemed better in simple black and white warfare and powerful statements then making a good policy on anything). And then in 2005, this documentary was made, and at the end of last year, a lot of the events predicted in that documentary happened.

In 2006 I moved to a Asian country, ended up attending a talk of financial expert, who, at that time, already told the audience plain and simple, that the only reason the US had not collapsed yet, is because the rest of the world massively is buying dollars, just to keep the system there going. After all, if the US falls, everyone falls, so many nations, would rather throw money in the bottomless pit which is the US, then see the worldwide economic system collapse.

I recall advising my parents a year ago, to not stretch their budget and buy a house, rather wait until just before the US elections. Because I knew for a fact that just before the new Democratic President would be elected, all the damage done by the Republicans would be revealed, and the Democrats will have to clean up the mess.
The housing market would collapse, and house prices will suddenly drop.

Anyway my point is, if simple Europeans and Asians saw it coming, why not the Americans?

Here is another prediction: 4 years from now, the Republicans will criticize and blame the Democrats for the economic depression, and say that the Republican policy (Bush his tax breaks for example) was so much better. Every American had more money to spend during Bush his time after all. Yeah, money that was borrowed from the rest of the world by selling none-gold backed up dollars.

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:09:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The best of intentions often have initially unforeseen consequences. However when the danger became apparent Bush fought to change things but he didn't fight hard enough.
Republicans are too fearful of Democrats using the race card.



So to summarize, Republicans are wusses and George Bush set the wuss standard.

Yeah, I can see that.

Good call!

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:10:21 AM   
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Of course Clinton doesn't believe he is at fault for the economy, when has he *ever* accepted responsibility for anything?
He takes "credit" for everything and responsibility for nothing.
He's a sociopath.
And like Irishknight said what about "NAFTA?"
Even President Obama said that that disaster of a bill should be "revisited."
Clinton told us that if it were passed it would create "millions of high-paying manufacturing jobs", so where are they?
It's been 13 years and,...no jobs!

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:10:59 AM   
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One of the main reasons why we went into Iraq other then the belief of WMD was a side benefit.  If the Iraq experiment was successful and they were to prosper.  By creating an Arab democracy in the heart of the middle east it would cause internal problems with all its neighbors.   Those problems would be from people in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia ect to seek creating a real democracy in their nations. 
The belief is democracy's do not fight democracy's.    If this created a reverse domino theory where nations became democratic.  Then the problems we have with IRAN would no longer exist.  The proliferation of nuclear tech would be halted.  It ultimately would be a net savings for the United States cause a conflict with Iran would be far more costly then the Iraq war.

Also soon we will no longer be supporting Iraq and they will be handling there own finances.  If we didn't invade Iraq we would have had to maintain the costs of the no fly zones and rapid deployment forces in Saudi Arabia forever.  

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I would agree that the desire of some administrations to go to war is a big bad culprit. Warmongers like Haliburton make Trillions. Our country goes into debt because their yahoo cowboy lets control the world ways. Plus lots of people profited. I am sure many were friends and lobbyists of the President and those in office both democratic and republican. AFter all, lobbyists have funded campaigns. I am glad that now with the internet americans can get money to their candidate without them being owned by big business. I think its really cool that Obama got a lot his money through website donations from people .

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:20:59 AM   
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Sorry you might not have seen these storys, the media was to much in love with Obama at the time.


http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4942Z720081005

Obama doesn't weed out illegal cash, GOP says Sun Oct 5, 2008 5:15pm EDTCampaigns are not required to report small donations, and some donors appear to have given well beyond the legal limit, Newsweek magazine reported. Two apparently fictional donors using the names "Doodad Pro" and "Good Will" gave Obama more than $11,000 in increments of $10 and $25, according to Newsweek. Other news accounts suggest that roughly 11,500 donors who gave a total of $34 million to the campaign may be citizens of foreign countries, who are not allowed to contribute to U.S. elections, the RNC said. "We see a lack of control, a lack of willingness on the part of the Obama campaign to ask relevant questions," Cairncross said.

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_illegal_donors/2008/10/29/145612.html

A Newsmax sampling of about 3,400 donors also found hundreds more who showed �yellow flags� such as not having used a Social Security number or a known U.S. address. Most U.S.-born citizens are issued Social Security numbers at birth or by the time they enter kindergarten. Under federal law, only U.S. citizens or permanent residents may donate to federal political campaigns. It is illegal for the campaigns to accept money knowingly from foreign donors.
For example, hidden away amidst the unprecedented $150 million Obama claims to have raised from individual donors in September was more than $42 million raised from secret donors. These donations appear in the records as a single entry under the heading, �Donors, Unitemized.��Hillary and McCain demanded proof of citizenship of all their donors,� Rustmann said. �Obama did not, so he benefitted by receiving an enormous amount of money from foreign donors who wanted to influence the U.S. election process.�


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I would agree that the desire of some administrations to go to war is a big bad culprit. Warmongers like Haliburton make Trillions. Our country goes into debt because their yahoo cowboy lets control the world ways. Plus lots of people profited. I am sure many were friends and lobbyists of the President and those in office both democratic and republican. AFter all, lobbyists have funded campaigns. I am glad that now with the internet americans can get money to their candidate without them being owned by big business. I think its really cool that Obama got a lot his money through website donations from people .

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:24:10 AM   
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In order to stop a republican from doing anything Democrats SOP is to say what the republicans want to do is racist or it hurts children.
being black has nothing to do with it.  it will effect minorities and children so you area  racists.



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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The problem is when democrats are losing an issue they cry racism.  The media flock over and the republicans back off from making the needed changes.
It was funny last year for once a democrat used the race card against a fellow democrat.  When Obama used it against Bill Clinton because Obama didnt want his history of supporting the Iraq war revealed.

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The best of intentions often have initially unforeseen consequences. However when the danger became apparent Bush fought to change things but he didn't fight hard enough.
Republicans are too fearful of Democrats using the race card.

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Deregulation is not to blame. I will always like Clinton. But, deregulation plus corporate greed is the villian. So If i was going to deregulate say a 2 year old and say do what you want. Or If I was to loosen the slack on a wild teenager, the fallout would not be good. Deregulation in the hands of the ethical could have been a good thing. Clinton was also trying to get loan money into hands of low income people so they too could own a home. Its too bad there is so little ethics and self regulation in this country where the almighty buck is king and screw everyone else if i can profit.



I dont think Clinton passing deregulation Acts, he could have ever imagined in his wildest dreams that this would happen. I do agree he would have fought a lot harder than bush if he was PResident. Others lost faith in Bush and Bush just gave up.



Really? I didnt know that all democrats are black or other races other than white? I didnt realize that the Kennedys were Black or hispanic and cried race? Hmmm. News to me. I guess If I am a democrat, I am cryin race too. Who knew?

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:24:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

One of the main reasons why we went into Iraq other then the belief of WMD was a side benefit.  If the Iraq experiment was successful and they were to prosper.  By creating an Arab democracy in the heart of the middle east it would cause internal problems with all its neighbors.   Those problems would be from people in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia ect to seek creating a real democracy in their nations. 
The belief is democracy's do not fight democracy's.    If this created a reverse domino theory where nations became democratic.  Then the problems we have with IRAN would no longer exist.  The proliferation of nuclear tech would be halted.  It ultimately would be a net savings for the United States cause a conflict with Iran would be far more costly then the Iraq war.

Also soon we will no longer be supporting Iraq and they will be handling there own finances.  If we didn't invade Iraq we would have had to maintain the costs of the no fly zones and rapid deployment forces in Saudi Arabia forever.  

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I would agree that the desire of some administrations to go to war is a big bad culprit. Warmongers like Haliburton make Trillions. Our country goes into debt because their yahoo cowboy lets control the world ways. Plus lots of people profited. I am sure many were friends and lobbyists of the President and those in office both democratic and republican. AFter all, lobbyists have funded campaigns. I am glad that now with the internet americans can get money to their candidate without them being owned by big business. I think its really cool that Obama got a lot his money through website donations from people .



Well that plan was not successful.

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:25:56 AM   
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quote:

In order to stop a republican from doing anything Democrats SOP is to say what the republicans want to do is racist or it hurts children.


This is an illogical argument. All democrats do not cry race. Yea, those big bad democrats are so mean to those meak lil republicans! Haha

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:26:28 AM   
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I agree.
But the cry of racism even stoped Bill Clinton.  Thats why Obama beat Hillary.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The best of intentions often have initially unforeseen consequences. However when the danger became apparent Bush fought to change things but he didn't fight hard enough.
Republicans are too fearful of Democrats using the race card.



So to summarize, Republicans are wusses and George Bush set the wuss standard.

Yeah, I can see that.

Good call!


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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:26:41 AM   
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What year did we not have a defecit?  What year did out national debt goto zero?  1993???  1994??? 1995??? 1996??? 1997??? 1998??? 1999???? 2000????
It should be a simple answer.  The problem is nobody on the left can answer it.

The answer is NONE!!!



No, the answer is WRONG!!!

It is a simple answer, as you said, one you could have easily found if you bothered to research before making your post.

We had a nearly "break-even" budget in 1998 and no deficit, but a surplus, in 1999 and 2000.


Bloomberg.com: News
Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) -- President Bill Clinton left office in 2001 with a federal budget surplus of $127 billion. President George Bush ran a deficit of $319 billion in 2005. So who deserves more credit for fighting red ink?

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:33:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

I agree.
But the cry of racism even stoped Bill Clinton.  Thats why Obama beat Hillary.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The best of intentions often have initially unforeseen consequences. However when the danger became apparent Bush fought to change things but he didn't fight hard enough.
Republicans are too fearful of Democrats using the race card.



So to summarize, Republicans are wusses and George Bush set the wuss standard.

Yeah, I can see that.

Good call!




So you are disagreeing with your own arguments. Crying race is not a democratic thing. Its a RACE thing. Maybe people would rathr elect a black president than a white women because they are more sexist than they are racist when faced with both?

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 9:56:06 AM   
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18106281
BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D-NY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And let me just stop you right there.

TIM RUSSERT, HOST, "MEET THE PRESS": But let me...

H. CLINTON: You did not. No, wait a minute. RUSSERT: No, I didn't stop you.

H. CLINTON: No, but you did not give the entire quote, and so...

RUSSERT: No, but you...

H. CLINTON: And so the entire quote was clearly about the position on Iraq.

RUSSERT: But I'm...

H. CLINTON: It was not about the entire candidacy. Tim, I can't let you getting away with that mischaracterization and those snippets.

(END VIDEO CLIP)



http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/03/17/callebs.clinton.no.mxf.cnn
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/03/bill-clinton-in-abc-news_n_116664.html

Bill Clinton In ABC News Interview: "I Am Not A Racist"
Still, he got a little testy in an interview Sunday with ABC's Kate Snow, telling her he is "not a racist" even as he avoided delving into specifics about what happened in the Democratic presidential primary. The interview, taped in a quick stop in Liberia, will air Monday on "Good Morning America."



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quote:

In order to stop a republican from doing anything Democrats SOP is to say what the republicans want to do is racist or it hurts children.


This is an illogical argument. All democrats do not cry race. Yea, those big bad democrats are so mean to those meak lil republicans! Haha

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 10:00:24 AM   
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we shall see. It was not something that would occur in a decade but take many years to occur. 
some information you might not be aware of

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4485308.stm


Two Saudi businesswomen have been elected in the kingdom's first ballot in which women were allowed to stand. Lama al-Suleiman and Nashwa Taher were among 12 successful candidates voted onto the board of Jeddah's chamber of commerce and industry. The turnout was low and the election was only a local affair, but analysts say it is a significant step. Earlier this year women were barred from voting or standing in elections for seats on local councils. "I'm happy, but I'm still in shock," said mother-of-four Mrs Suleiman, 39. "It's a big leap for Saudi women, an answer to what people want," she told AFP news agency. Male support Seventeen women competed with 54 men for seats on the board.




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Well that plan was not successful.

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 10:08:46 AM   
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ya know... blaming each other is causing more problems than originally existed... The war, right or wrong, ended up causing a large portion of this mess. Taking out sane controls simply allowed one area to fall faster.

The market will do what it wants regardless of government intervention. All the government can do is make sure people are not committing crimes. The president may have influence, but he does not have control. People tend to forget that just because they make policy that has an affect on the market does not mean they have complete control. This is not a communist country. We are capitalists, and that means that there is a boom AND a bust cycle. Downturns in the economy have to happen to keep things healthy and productive.

Things are tough, but they will improve, and the economy will recover if we as a nation learn to work smarter and more efficiently. If we need more jobs locally, then people need to start employing themselves. If there are no jobs out there, try offering your services as your own business. Some will fail, some will get by, and some will take off. However people do not like to hear that hard work is what is needed of them.

Yes, I am following my own advice. I write freelance, work of computers, and what ever else I can do to make money after returning to college to get a degree and earn more skills that I can use to improve my situation. There are thinner times than others. That is the nature of capitalism. There are no free rides.

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 10:09:52 AM   
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we are both right and wrong.

our national debt never went to zero.

what occured in 2000?  the year before bush took office?  the tech bubble burst.

the TECH BOOM BUBBLE produced 2 years where we took in more money in then we spent.




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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

What year did we not have a defecit?  What year did out national debt goto zero?  1993???  1994??? 1995??? 1996??? 1997??? 1998??? 1999???? 2000????
It should be a simple answer.  The problem is nobody on the left can answer it.

The answer is NONE!!!



No, the answer is WRONG!!!

It is a simple answer, as you said, one you could have easily found if you bothered to research before making your post.

We had a nearly "break-even" budget in 1998 and no deficit, but a surplus, in 1999 and 2000.



Bloomberg.com: News
Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) -- President Bill Clinton left office in 2001 with a federal budget surplus of $127 billion. President George Bush ran a deficit of $319 billion in 2005. So who deserves more credit for fighting red ink?

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RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn'... - 2/17/2009 10:22:55 AM   
MasterShake69


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the cry of racism effects both republicans and democrats.  But its only democrats using that as a weapon.
No republican could have gotten welfare reform done without the racism charge being used against them.  However a democrat can do it without the attack.

Oh and Obamas attack was against Bill Clinton not hillary.  Just tha it hurt the clinton campaign.  SO much for hope and change from Obama.  Hes just more of the same..typical politician.

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So you are disagreeing with your own arguments. Crying race is not a democratic thing. Its a RACE thing. Maybe people would rathr elect a black president than a white women because they are more sexist than they are racist when faced with both?
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