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MasterShake69 -> Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/16/2009 9:45:46 PM)





http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090216/us_time/08599187977400

Clinton Says Don't Blame Him for the Economic Crisis Mon Feb 16, 4:50 pm ET
Given the sweep and severity of today's global economic crisis, it would seem there's plenty of blame to go around. But Bill Clinton doesn't think any of it should fall on his shoulders. On Monday morning's Today Show, Ann Curry's interview with the former president - recorded over the weekend outside a Clinton Global Initiative event in Texas - addressed Clinton's inclusion on TIME's list of the "25 People to Blame" for the global economic collapse. "Oh no," he responded, "My question to them is: Do any of them seriously believe if I had been president, and my economic team had been in place the last eight years, that this would be happening today? I think they know the answer to that: No." (See TIME's list of the 25 people to blame for the collapse) The magazine's story, which apportioned blame widely between such figures as Countrywide co-founder Angelo Mozilo, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, Lehman Brothers CEO Dick Fuld and President George W. Bush, zeroed in on two specific economic policy decisions made during the Clinton administration. Clinton ushered out the Glass-Steagall Act, which for decades had separated commercial and investment banking, and signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act - which exempted all derivatives, including the now-notorious credit-default swaps, from federal regulation. His administration also loosened housing rules, which added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. "None of it was an endorsement of permissive lending and risk-taking," the magazine concluded. "But if you believe deregulation is to blame for our troubles, then Clinton earned a share too." In a separate interview this past weekend with CNN, Clinton did allow that his administration could have done more to "set in motion some more formal regulation of the derivatives market," but he also vehemently denied that the repeal of Glass-Steagall or his administration's housing policies helped cause the financial crisis .




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/16/2009 9:59:56 PM)

That was an interesting article, I wish it could have been the 100 people most responsible. 




MrRodgers -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/16/2009 10:00:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090216/us_time/08599187977400

Clinton Says Don't Blame Him for the Economic Crisis Mon Feb 16, 4:50 pm ET
Given the sweep and severity of today's global economic crisis, it would seem there's plenty of blame to go around. But Bill Clinton doesn't think any of it should fall on his shoulders. On Monday morning's Today Show, Ann Curry's interview with the former president - recorded over the weekend outside a Clinton Global Initiative event in Texas - addressed Clinton's inclusion on TIME's list of the "25 People to Blame" for the global economic collapse. "Oh no," he responded, "My question to them is: Do any of them seriously believe if I had been president, and my economic team had been in place the last eight years, that this would be happening today? I think they know the answer to that: No." (See TIME's list of the 25 people to blame for the collapse) The magazine's story, which apportioned blame widely between such figures as Countrywide co-founder Angelo Mozilo, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, Lehman Brothers CEO Dick Fuld and President George W. Bush, zeroed in on two specific economic policy decisions made during the Clinton administration. Clinton ushered out the Glass-Steagall Act, which for decades had separated commercial and investment banking, and signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act - which exempted all derivatives, including the now-notorious credit-default swaps, from federal regulation. His administration also loosened housing rules, which added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. "None of it was an endorsement of permissive lending and risk-taking," the magazine concluded. "But if you believe deregulation is to blame for our troubles, then Clinton earned a share too." In a separate interview this past weekend with CNN, Clinton did allow that his administration could have done more to "set in motion some more formal regulation of the derivatives market," but he also vehemently denied that the repeal of Glass-Steagall or his administration's housing policies helped cause the financial crisis .

It shouldn't and any attempt is ludicrous and just another grasping at straws by the repubs to shift blame from them.

They ALL said the banks would self-regulate...yeaa right. Blame capitalist greed while regulators and corp. boards were looking the other way.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/16/2009 10:17:21 PM)

Time magazine is run by Republicans? 




corysub -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/16/2009 10:17:49 PM)

The "seeds" the Clinton was planting had nothing to do with the economy, but they did ruin a blue dress.




Irishknight -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 5:28:44 AM)

He should man up and accept his portion of the blame.  He signed away the jobs when he signed NAFTA.  He is partially to blame for the mess this country is in at this time. 
Of course, taking responsibility for his actions has never been Bill's strong suit.  That would be taking advantage of young woman or getting himself out of rape charges.




Sanity -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 5:41:16 AM)


Oh, bull shit. President Bush began warning about the problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as far back as 2001, but Democrats such as Barney Frank (who were raking in cash from the mortgage giants) opposed needed changes. Further, McCain introduced legislation to make needed changes and Democrats killed it with a strict party line vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
It shouldn't and any attempt is ludicrous and just another grasping at straws by the repubs to shift blame from them.

They ALL said the banks would self-regulate...yeaa right. Blame capitalist greed while regulators and corp. boards were looking the other way.





thishereboi -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 5:53:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
It shouldn't and any attempt is ludicrous and just another grasping at straws by the repubs to shift blame from them.

They ALL said the banks would self-regulate...yeaa right. Blame capitalist greed while regulators and corp. boards were looking the other way.



That's right. Any time someone says something bad against the left its a plot from the right. The left never does anything wrong.

So if this is just another "grasping at straws" as you say, why are there repubs on the list? 

The fact that Billy boy is denying it doesn't surprise me at all. I don't ever remember him admitting he was wrong about anything, why start now.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 6:10:17 AM)

Deregulation is not to blame. I will always like Clinton. But, deregulation plus corporate greed is the villian. So If i was going to deregulate say a 2 year old and say do what you want. Or If I was to loosen the slack on a wild teenager, the fallout would not be good. Deregulation in the hands of the ethical could have been a good thing. Clinton was also trying to get loan money into hands of low income people so they too could own a home. Its too bad there is so little ethics and self regulation in this country where the almighty buck is king and screw everyone else if i can profit.




Owner59 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 6:22:18 AM)

What the cons are saying is they used laws/rules passed under Clinton to rob the banks,so it must be his fault.Get it?


The party of personal responsibility,.....may ass!


Of course,there`s still a good portion of the GOP cool-aid drinkers who believe that there really is no crisis,in the 1st place.So, to at least that part of the party,  this is not Clinton`s fault.lol





MasterShake69 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 6:53:50 AM)

The best of intentions often have initially unforeseen consequences. However when the danger became apparent Bush fought to change things but he didn't fight hard enough.
Republicans are too fearful of Democrats using the race card.

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Deregulation is not to blame. I will always like Clinton. But, deregulation plus corporate greed is the villian. So If i was going to deregulate say a 2 year old and say do what you want. Or If I was to loosen the slack on a wild teenager, the fallout would not be good. Deregulation in the hands of the ethical could have been a good thing. Clinton was also trying to get loan money into hands of low income people so they too could own a home. Its too bad there is so little ethics and self regulation in this country where the almighty buck is king and screw everyone else if i can profit.




thishereboi -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 6:56:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


Of course,there`s still a good portion of the GOP cool-aid drinkers who believe that there really is no crisis,in the 1st place.So, to at least that part of the party,  this is not Clinton`s fault.lol




Well according to your other post, Obama didn't know the country was in trouble either....so who is drinking that kool aid?

"To be fair to the President,he didn`t know that bush was going to hand him a ruined economy, during the campaign.This was pretty much a surprise to everyone in the last weeks of a two year long,long drawnout campaign. "

I suppose after his 3rd or 4th cup, he thought the economy was doing good. What a surpise when he took office and the kool aid wore off.

This may of come to a surprise to everyone you know, but the ones I talk to were well aware that there was a big problem.




Owner59 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 7:20:32 AM)

Yup,just like you and me,he`s human,ie,not a magician,psychic,tarot card reader or prophet.

The only one`s who really knew about this were the perps and the cops who supposed to oversee things,the bushies.

Now we gotta deal with their mess.

You think Obama`s going to listen to a bunch of whiners complain when the health of our financial house is failing?!

We`ll just clean it up and ask the cons to step aside.They don`t even have to help and no thanks is neccessary from them.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 7:25:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

The best of intentions often have initially unforeseen consequences. However when the danger became apparent Bush fought to change things but he didn't fight hard enough.
Republicans are too fearful of Democrats using the race card.

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Deregulation is not to blame. I will always like Clinton. But, deregulation plus corporate greed is the villian. So If i was going to deregulate say a 2 year old and say do what you want. Or If I was to loosen the slack on a wild teenager, the fallout would not be good. Deregulation in the hands of the ethical could have been a good thing. Clinton was also trying to get loan money into hands of low income people so they too could own a home. Its too bad there is so little ethics and self regulation in this country where the almighty buck is king and screw everyone else if i can profit.



I dont think Clinton passing deregulation Acts, he could have ever imagined in his wildest dreams that this would happen. I do agree he would have fought a lot harder than bush if he was PResident. Others lost faith in Bush and Bush just gave up.




UncleNasty -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 7:31:17 AM)

It isn't a competition of blame and responsibility folks. It isn't Dem v Repub, or right v left, etc. Or at least that is among the least productive ways to spend your energies.

As I watch the country slide further and further down into the hole I don't really care who is responsible. I just want solutions.

Uncle Nasty




Owner59 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 7:36:20 AM)

It`s like saying the person providing the faster,more competitive car is the one at fault ,when the driver(bush) crashes the car.

Doesn`t work like that.The driver drives and controls the controls.Where the car goes and how it performs,...is his job.

bush was on vacation a 1/3 of the time.That`s over two years of vacation.

The ultimate figure-head CEO.He showed up for the meetings and photo shoots,but otherwise was golfing or fishing or at the non-ranch,..ranch,while "others" ran things.

<thinking about luscious giving good thread....>




AmrasL -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 7:56:04 AM)

I'm not American, actually I'm from Western Europe.

In my homeland, in the year 2005, a documentary was made, named "The Day of the Dollar".
It described a at that time "fictional" scenario about what would happen if the dollar were to drop, and the US economy would collapse.
In the backdrop of the scenes in that documentary, the writer, a reasonably well known economist, explains why he wrote the events in the documentary the way he wrote them, and why the US was heading towards a disaster at that moment.

Anyway, if you want the full story with english subs, you can watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuPgdZeAFjA

Why I bring this up though in this discussion, is because its also stated in the documentary that under Clinton, the US economy had never been better. There was no national debt, as a mater a fact, the US had money to spare. It is also pointed out, that under George Bush, the US started building up a national debt again, and this one became higher then ever. Its that national debt, that destroyed the US economy.
Honestly, taking that fact into account, I don't think Bill Clinton is to blame.

The Americans now say they didn't saw it coming, I find that a very amusing comment. Dating back until 2002, students in my homeland were talking about the fact that the US was slowly destroying their economy with the wars that were going on, and the fact that fighting terrorism seemed so much more important then looking after your economy (George Bush always seemed better in simple black and white warfare and powerful statements then making a good policy on anything). And then in 2005, this documentary was made, and at the end of last year, a lot of the events predicted in that documentary happened.

In 2006 I moved to a Asian country, ended up attending a talk of financial expert, who, at that time, already told the audience plain and simple, that the only reason the US had not collapsed yet, is because the rest of the world massively is buying dollars, just to keep the system there going. After all, if the US falls, everyone falls, so many nations, would rather throw money in the bottomless pit which is the US, then see the worldwide economic system collapse.

I recall advising my parents a year ago, to not stretch their budget and buy a house, rather wait until just before the US elections. Because I knew for a fact that just before the new Democratic President would be elected, all the damage done by the Republicans would be revealed, and the Democrats will have to clean up the mess.
The housing market would collapse, and house prices will suddenly drop.

Anyway my point is, if simple Europeans and Asians saw it coming, why not the Americans?

Here is another prediction: 4 years from now, the Republicans will criticize and blame the Democrats for the economic depression, and say that the Republican policy (Bush his tax breaks for example) was so much better. Every American had more money to spend during Bush his time after all. Yeah, money that was borrowed from the rest of the world by selling none-gold backed up dollars.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 8:13:54 AM)

I would agree that the desire of some administrations to go to war is a big bad culprit. Warmongers like Haliburton make Trillions. Our country goes into debt because their yahoo cowboy lets control the world ways. Plus lots of people profited. I am sure many were friends and lobbyists of the President and those in office both democratic and republican. AFter all, lobbyists have funded campaigns. I am glad that now with the internet americans can get money to their candidate without them being owned by big business. I think its really cool that Obama got a lot his money through website donations from people .




Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 8:18:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: corysub

The "seeds" the Clinton was planting had nothing to do with the economy, but they did ruin a blue dress.
Cory you sick sick bastard!
Thats too funny.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Clinton believes planting seeds of bad economy isn't his fault (2/17/2009 8:31:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57

quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub

The "seeds" the Clinton was planting had nothing to do with the economy, but they did ruin a blue dress.
Cory you sick sick bastard!
Thats too funny.
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Yea and in the words of Frued- Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar.
But I bet Ms. Lewinsky would say- Sometimes a Cigar is WAY MORE than just a Cigar!




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