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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/18/2009 10:19:04 AM   
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Sent you a message offline. I too believe that honesty does not mean explicit details about every little thing. I don't go into any details with my sponsor regarding the relationship dynamic I'm in. So it is good to talk with others in this lifestyle. However, I'd like to qualify something. There are NO rules regarding relationships in AA. It's recommended not to get involved in your first year - but ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - like so many other things - wisdom and what one does typically don't match. Also, if the commitment to sobriety is sincere than one can do whatever one wishes, as long as they're ready to deal with the results.

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/18/2009 10:32:15 AM   
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ROCK ON with the reality of it. And why does a sponsor have to know what sort of fun you are getting up to? They are there for the stuff that deal directly with the sobriety process. getting laid while sober doesn't sound like part of that responsibility to me. but hey i really don't know about it except what my friends and family by love have shared about their experiences with 12 steppin'.

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/18/2009 5:27:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bound4more

Sent you a message offline. I too believe that honesty does not mean explicit details about every little thing. I don't go into any details with my sponsor regarding the relationship dynamic I'm in. So it is good to talk with others in this lifestyle. However, I'd like to qualify something. There are NO rules regarding relationships in AA. It's recommended not to get involved in your first year - but ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - like so many other things - wisdom and what one does typically don't match. Also, if the commitment to sobriety is sincere than one can do whatever one wishes, as long as they're ready to deal with the results.


This is the best bit of info i have read here so far, i could only add, step 1 is inj two parts the second being "my life is unmanageable" so the question i would ask if i was a sponsor would be: are you looking for someone to manage your life?

feel free to contact off me line, i am in Oz and have some time within the AA commumnity and a short time with in the D/s lifestyle

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/18/2009 5:36:55 PM   
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I was under the impression that you're not really encouraged to start a relationship while you are working the steps?  Is that wrong?


Of course you are wrong!  Haven't you ever heard of multi-tasking? There is nothing wrong with crazysubgirl just jumpin' on in...Fuck, the water is fine!  You will probably be okay.

Anywhooooo, The dress has this kind of a Monica Lewinsky cum catching appeal to it. 

Nice first post!  Dig your shit!

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/18/2009 8:33:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: feydeplume

*warning bad humor*

Its sort of like the different things you get for anniversaries like paper, cotton, leather (i am not making this up), flowers and wood for years 1-5.



What year is Rubber?

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/18/2009 8:37:35 PM   
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I have some limited experience but would be delighted to share thoughts with you. 

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/18/2009 8:41:01 PM   
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depends on if you go traditional western , traditional eastern, or modern western standard or modern western alternative (like that book, the bride wore white and he looked fabulous or something like that).

DOOD google it. I did just to make the stupid joke in the first place.


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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/24/2009 8:24:45 PM   
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I think it's an excellent question, and one I've been dealing with for the 18 years I've been sober.   "To thine own self be true" they say...    but as a lifelong crossdresser and someone wanting desperately to explore my submissive tendencies, there are enormous conflicts in my life because of my deepest most personal desires and needs.  If it was just me, there would be no problem,  maybe...  but with a family and responsibilities to consider, things are complicated.   I spoke to a sponsor about sexual issues in a 4th and 5th step context, but only in vague terms.   Thank God he didn't really press me for details, as I admire him enormously, but feel he just would not understand this.  Ironically, and I think this might be true for anyone working the steps... the things I held back on in the 5th step were things that continued to cause difficulty in my life later on.   I believe it really all has to be out in the open, eventually.  I've always wished I could meet someone with one foot in the transgender world and one foot firmly in recovery and the steps.     Go figure, and here I thought I was the only one!    This s my first post here, but if anyone meets the qualifications I just mentioned, especially from the NY / Long Island area - I'd love to chat.

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/24/2009 8:28:40 PM   
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Ever consider the idea that the time in your life when you are making a searching a fearless inventory of yourself might not be the best time to start a new relationship?

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/28/2009 6:43:38 AM   
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As a result of the neglect/abuse that i got in my 24/7 slavery i ended up back in major addiction which introduced me to NA. i spent the first ten months of recovery still living as a full time slave and it gave me many problems.

Whilst i fully appreciate the advice i was given about not being in a relationship for the first year of recovery and also i did have a sponsor who was very vanilla.
Basically i had major confusion and when i was talking to him over the phone in the dungeon and the mistress heard me she came in and poured my bowl of tea over my head and started battering round the head with my dog bowl. it was a bit surreal sometimes and also when she put ten needles in my mouth at a club i went into a mad space cos my owner dont whip me any more. Needless to say it became very difficult and i have been blessed with a totally appropriate sponsor as a result of just not picking up no matter what.

I am not one that can do sensible things like after a year get a plant, if that lives get a cat and if that lives get in a relationship.

i have the sponsor that my higher power put on my path and he would basically make clear to me that i should not settle for second best, he really helped me get my power back from my former owner and that actually meant being homeless and then living 3.5 months in a crack house that the authorites put me in. that was hard work but the programme, my sponsor and the people in it carried me, i had to let S&M go for a few months to get through this shit but i also get gifts from my higher power now and again which is a little play time here and there.

I am now in a fantastic home, feel very safe and secure in my pervery and fully appreciated for being open and honest with my sponsor. as a result of being totally open with him i am much more empowered when it comes to deal with things and having done 24/7 and recovery at the same time i have to say a lot of transference takes place.

many of my new feelings or old ones of insecurity all become the fault of the Domme, why is she making me do this, if she would only connect with me i know i would be really happy, why doesnt she want me to be happy. All of this can become very problematic and the biggest one is that however much i didnt set out to make her my higher power she became it, then when she didnt want to play or i was listening to her play with others then basically i was on a sea of confusion and despondency as my higher power had abandoned me.

i can not be an owned slave as my higher power wants me free to be what it wants for me but when that collar goes on i can be puppy or a slave but keep a balance with the real world.

Please bare in mind i am sharing this from my experience and that is my path, so your will be different but should you ever feel that you want to have a sounding board then please feel free as i know that i have to ignore my ideas until i run them past my sponsor who was the abuser in a S&M relationship, he is also a pansexual switch and little school girl and a kinbaku teacher who has three sub females and one fem slave

i did this for real and when i was locked in the dungeon and the mistress came down to tell me that there was a car outside and that i was going to a treatment centre she locked my collar on my neck as i couldnt face this on my own, i turned up in full fetish gear at a private treatment centre in the country, leather tee shirt, leather shorts, collar, cuffs and body harness with my tail. thats what i needed to feel safe and seven nights after i was at the point of attaching my lead to somewhere to top myself.

two years next week and i am living and enjoying life today as opposed to existing and enduring it.

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 2/28/2009 6:46:43 AM   
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Just wanted to say congrats to all in recovery. You are all very strong and have so  much to be proud of!!

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 3/24/2009 4:53:25 AM   
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Thank you kindly to all who replied to my post. Those who gave advice, thankyou for your good intentions. Those who shared that it was possible to be in recovery and be in BDSM thank you for the inspiration. I want to be clear that my sponsor is absolutely wonderful and very non-judgemental.

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 3/24/2009 12:18:05 PM   
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i wouldnt nessasarly call myself an addict but i have done heavy drug abuse and have been very close to going down that road. during the period of fighting not to go shove shit up my nose, i found that battle to be way too exuasting (complete fucking hell!!) to be even a real freind let alone handle a relationship, you are your own person and make you own judgement calls but i think its a terrible idea,
i am pretty sure NA and AA have rules about not getting into relationships vanilla or otherwise when you are in the 12 steps, if your sponser is cool talk to them about you getting into a relationship... and then they can slap the shit out of you for being so silly,
honestly i have been down that road, telling lover that stress got so bad you just needed it is something you never want to do to a person...

good luck in your fight.




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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 3/24/2009 2:31:26 PM   
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Most of my experience comes from work with the agnostic 12 step program, but the principle is the same. I prefer it because it puts a larger onus on the individual. But that's not what I was asked to talk about.

Some people can handle relationships outside of the program. My advice is to think of this as "me time." Focus on yourself and your needs. Don't feel bad about being selfish. You're doing yourself the biggest favor by freeing yourself from addiction. You're making yourself a better person. Anyone who doesn't understand that, right now, your needs are paramount, isn't worth it - even (especially?) a potential dominant. This is the best training, the hardest training, the most devotion-inspiring training you'll ever go through.

It would be unfair to both you and the dominant if you expected him to do anything more than support your efforts. A good dominant could act like a second sponsor, but nothing more. It would be unhealthy to replace "God" in the 12 steps with "Dom". Extremely unhealthy.

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 3/24/2009 2:38:48 PM   
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It has been a very long time since I was part of 12-step program. My advice for you is to not get involved with anyone at this time. Being on the 4th step indicates you are still rather new to the 12 step program. Wait for awhile, recovery must be a priority at this time, not a relationship.

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 3/25/2009 2:25:38 PM   
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well there is one part of the program that a folks do not like to address...no committed long term relationships for a yr....so think real hard about committing...especially in this it is very serious, and if you are not emotionally ready..you will go fast into relapse!
take care and good luck
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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 3/25/2009 2:28:24 PM   
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As a dominant person, I wouldn't have much of anything to do with a sub/slave that had not finished all twelve steps and gotten past at least, a 1 year mark of living on their own, clean and sober the entire year.

Even then, I would proceed with caution.

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RE: BDSM & 12 step programs - 3/25/2009 8:01:20 PM   
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I am keen to meet people who have experience in both BDSM lifestyle and 12 step programs. Does anyone have experience with comibining the two? I am currently on step 4 in a program which has changed my life, and I have sponsors who have been amazing, but I really need to talk to someone who knows about both things. It's kind of hard to call your sponsor and say "I am considering becoming the owned property of another person". Please feel free to contact me privately if you don't want to break your anonymity


Supplement your sponsor array by adding a kink-friendly sponsor? That's one possibility. Another would be to refer to your owner as your Higher Power...or one of many powers greater than yourself, or whatever your particular concept happens to be.

Bob

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