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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 3:40:02 PM

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The Democratic party needs to remove the BEAM from its own eye before it attempts to pluck the splinter out of the eye of the Republicans.

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I think that if both parties took the beams out of their own eyes, as it were DD, we would both be better off. The fact that you consider the problems with the GOP to be a splinter is a good sign of why the GOP is now irrelevant.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 3:43:34 PM

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Did someone say "change"?

Careful what you ask for...

So, at a conservative convention, a conservative talk show host (and proven liar of the first magnitude...his latest is a doozy) proposed that the conservatives could retake power if they nominate the right candidate.and the assembled conservatives cheered.

And the surprise we're supposed to be worried about is?

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 5:33:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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The Democratic party needs to remove the BEAM from its own eye before it attempts to pluck the splinter out of the eye of the Republicans.
ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

I think that if both parties took the beams out of their own eyes, as it were DD, we would both be better off. The fact that you consider the problems with the GOP to be a splinter is a good sign of why the GOP is now irrelevant.

The discussion about the chimp cartoon brought up what I would label as the out lying fringe of each party. I long considered Rush to be merely a loud mouthed drug using screwup who could not pass a dance class. I have long considered Sharpton to merely be a loud mouthed publicity seeking screwup who ran his mouth before he ever thought about what he was saying. Rush is now the fulcrum of the republican party singing a mantra of absurdity with a substantial following. However, the democrats still in the main shun Sharpton as being extremist and not worthy of listening to. The republicans insist on being an extremist party; extremist parties have a tough time winning. What do the republicans need to do, stop hating everyone.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 6:49:29 PM

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Spinner, I caught most of the speech by "the man to save the US( world)"
I have never seen or heard so much blatant bullshit, obfuscation, scaremongering, hatemongering and cheap maliciousness in my whole life. If there is class warfare coming, it will be the people like him who start it. Im sure as hell not going to include all conservatives or repubs or libertarians in there, but I know he appeals to a lot of the fundies and dumbasses.
I wanted to bleach my brain.
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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 7:36:47 PM

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When the likes of Michael Moore can sit in the presidential booth of the democrat convention in 2004 right next to jimmy carter, tells you all you need to know about the Democrats.

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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The Democratic party needs to remove the BEAM from its own eye before it attempts to pluck the splinter out of the eye of the Republicans.
ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

I think that if both parties took the beams out of their own eyes, as it were DD, we would both be better off. The fact that you consider the problems with the GOP to be a splinter is a good sign of why the GOP is now irrelevant.

The discussion about the chimp cartoon brought up what I would label as the out lying fringe of each party. I long considered Rush to be merely a loud mouthed drug using screwup who could not pass a dance class. I have long considered Sharpton to merely be a loud mouthed publicity seeking screwup who ran his mouth before he ever thought about what he was saying. Rush is now the fulcrum of the republican party singing a mantra of absurdity with a substantial following. However, the democrats still in the main shun Sharpton as being extremist and not worthy of listening to. The republicans insist on being an extremist party; extremist parties have a tough time winning. What do the republicans need to do, stop hating everyone.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 7:41:32 PM

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you really care about Iraq.....not

thats why you have no problem with us troops staying in iraq till the end of 2011 and beyond.

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The Democratic party needs to remove the BEAM from its own eye before it attempts to pluck the splinter out of the eye of the Republicans.

Oh really?

What splinter/beam could be worse than getting over 4 thousand of our bravest,most precious sons and daughters killed in Iraq for nothing ( more than talking points and ego stroking)?

Don`t trip over the dead bodys while you search for a reply.....

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 7:45:11 PM

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So I was watching this clip of Rush Limbaugh, and I was thinking how this man represents everything that is wrong with the republican party. This incredible "us vs them", "the liberals are the enemy", "why don't they leave" divisive mentality that it seems to me too many core republicans subscribe to. Not to mention the fantasy version of events men like Rush attempt to paint that too many people also subscribe to. EVERYTHING bad is the democrates fault. And Obama has only been in power a short time, but he's trying to tear down the country and remake it.

Here is the clip with commentary from Young Turks, couldn't find the Rush clip by itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr_NjJ9W680&feature=channel_page

So I mean, what I think Republicans need to do is distance themselves as much as possible from extremists like Rush, otherwise the party overall risks becoming completely irrelevant. Republicans also need to accept the mistakes of the past, instead of being apologists for Bush and salvage the Bush administrations place in history. Bush failed. Accept it, learn from it.

If they want to survive, they'll have to. Most people don't like extremists. And if you use the "Us vs. Them" and they aren't sure where they belong anyways, they'll normally head off to the "them" camp. But the Dems have their own that do this too, just like Pelosi's grand little speech before the very first vote on the stimulus bill when Bush was still in office. She did no favors to anyone or anything with that, other than to grandstand and to shame 'the other side'.

Thankfully there just isn't dozen or so more of her broadcasting nationally every night.
Damn, think I just gave myself nightmare material for the night on that thought.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 7:55:28 PM

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If the Republican Party changed, who would we have to laugh at. Look at "Let George do it!" There he was, preserving his intellect in alcohol, being born again and getting direct guidance, when all he had to do was ask Jimmy. Now Jimmy, who was being ridiculed for being morally right while the Republicans were negotiating with the Iranians not to give up the hostages before sleepy Reagen became the guy who played the role of the President, may have been under water too long, and have stood to close to the reactor, but he was alyways right, which is as good a reason to hate him as anyone can have. A country which is so into RL, and thinks Willy von Braun was a hero, or that Golda Meier, was a sweet old grandmother, should remember that it is not always left.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 8:29:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Spinner, I caught most of the speech by "the man to save the US( world)"
I have never seen or heard so much blatant bullshit, obfuscation, scaremongering, hatemongering and cheap maliciousness in my whole life.

Now, now, Lucy....take a deep breath and calm down...and answer a few civil questions:
1) Why is it that you and the rest of your fellow believers are so angry that we have a president that inspires some confidence in the country? No one is calling him a savior but you guys. All we are saying is that it's really refreshing to have a president who knows APEC from OPEC.

2) You heard hate mongering in that speech? Can you point out where? There are texts of it all over the place so coming up with a citation or two shouldn't be too difficult.

3) Why is it you conservatives spend so much time trying to find the slightest excuse to label Obama a liar while none of you seem to have any problem with the fact that Gov. Jindal came on tv to rebut the president and started out with a blatant and provable lie?

I would like to think that it's not because the conservative party is so completely out of ideas that the only hope they have of regaining power is to bank on and try to engineer the failure of the Obama administration, even if it drags the country down in the process. So please, before you bleach your brain (I could say so many things but it's just too easy), please give me some examples and reasoning. Or is that too much to ask?

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 8:56:43 PM

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im pissed about what jindal did...he did a hillary clinton.
retelling the story of someone else is good enough you dont have to place yourself there.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 10:18:36 PM

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If Jindal is the future of the Grand Old Party,well,I`m pleased.

Dearest leader Rush says he doesn`t want anyone badmouthing Jindal.

So I guess that`s settled.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 10:23:08 PM

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Does the Republican party need to change?

It needs to change the sheets, because it has sh*t the bed.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 10:29:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

im pissed about what jindal did...he did a hillary clinton.
retelling the story of someone else is good enough you dont have to place yourself there.

You not concerned by the amateur exorcism?

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 10:32:09 PM

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Heard about that.

Could you fill us in on the details,DomKen?

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 11:00:45 PM

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Spinner, IF I may point out that I was responding to your post about RUSH Limbaughs speech on TV, Im a dyed in the wool liberal commy hippy crazy obama lovin socialist.....Rush Limbaughs speech made me want to bleach my brain, not the President.
Anyone coming up with anything remotely reliable claiming hatemongering, scaremongering, and maliciousness in your Presidents speeches would be searching a long time ..the same cannot be said for the speech limbaugh made today.
I hope it makes sense
I also realise the irony...mistaking one side loony to the other:)
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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 11:11:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: KaineD

Well see MasterShake69, Bush deserved all the criticism he got from the left. That's the difference.

We're about a month into Obama's administration, and we have republicans on this very forum placing the blame for the current economic mess squarely at Obama's feet...

Bush waged an illegal war under false pretenses, his administration IS largely responsible for our current economic mess, and he was abusing the rights of the people by spying on them without warrents.

Don't play the "you lefties do it too" card because it doesn't stick.

It's silly time in leftyland. And who is placing the blame for the economic mess we are in today at Obama's feet? There have been lines and lines, video after video showing the genesis of this real estate debacle going back to the 1990's with the entire black caucus singing the praises of FannieMae, led by Barney Frank and Maxine Waters. Obama is to blame..he is to blame for betraying the trust of America, he is to blame because he defaulted on his responsibility and let Nancy Pelosi and Reid write the wasteful spending Bill that President Obama signed...with none of the "line by line" scrutiny his wondrfully delivered "words' so elequently stated during the primry and during his days as "President Elect". It all went out the window on January 20th.

And thank you for the gratuitus comment that "Bush deserved it". Are you sure...maybe Cheney should be included too.oh.. and Rummy, don't forget Rummy......you guys don't really know how funny you can be at times...Keep the words coming.

Incidentally, I could be wrong...but didn't Obama promise the troops would be coming home when he took office?

It's not the "lefties do it to card" that is being played....it's the Joker...and there's one in every deck.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 11:16:02 PM

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Spinner, IF I may point out that I was responding to your post about RUSH Limbaughs speech on TV, Im a dyed in the wool liberal commy hippy crazy obama lovin socialist.....Rush Limbaughs speech made me want to bleach my brain, not the President.

I stand happily corrected, Lucy.....And you're right, Rush is an embarrassment. His latest, btw, was the claim that the National Organization of Women supported the beheading of a woman by her Muslim husband after she filed for divorce. According to Rush, NOW viewed the matter as "just a matter of cultural diversity".....Of course, when asked about the matter by another radio personality, the head of NOW made very clear that her organization viewed the beheading of women by their husbands in a rather negative light.

And this is the guy the conservatives view as the voice of truth and the hope of America...sheesh.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 11:25:49 PM

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Not.

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 11:35:08 PM

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Its obvious who the majority felt deserved the blame by voting them out.
That should tell them that something is fundamentally wrong with the party, the leadership and the values.
Any party that doesnt see that simple truth is doomed in a coming election.
Politicians all suck, some are just easier to stomach than others
Lucy

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RE: Does the Republican party need to change? - 2/28/2009 11:37:50 PM

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Actually, the Republican party HAS chainged. When Bush the Younger spent or committed a trillion dollars to the Iraq war, the republicans were very notably silent about the cost and consequences. Now that a Democratic administration is in place, suddenly the idea of spending a trillion dollars on much needed economic stimulus is a surefire plan for economic ruin.

It seems that they've gone from "Millions for defence, not one cent for tribute" to "Trillions for "preemptive attacks", not one cent for any social or economic need." Yep..the party is changing a whole lot.

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