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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 9:57:04 AM

RedMagic1

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Isn't it sad? The worst part is the pro-ana's I know are way above normal smart. So much mental energy going into that, when they could create things of real beauty, not force themselves into Cosmo-body-beauty.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 10:05:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: SensualSubMale
You never heard of Pro-Ana? Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?

Or perhaps he hasn't spent the last ten years of his life chasing after women with eating disorders.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 10:06:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: SensualSubMale
You never heard of Pro-Ana? Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?

Or perhaps he hasn't spent the last ten years of his life chasing after women with eating disorders.

love it.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 10:10:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: SensualSubMale

You never heard of Pro-Ana? Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?

Anyway, I support pro-ana - it is a lifestyle decision and woman can make it if they want to. Plus I find very thin woman to be the very very attractive. I don't like curves at all and I don't understand guys that do. My current girlfriend is barely over hundred pounds and a size double 00.

So let's not judge thin woman and say they are unattractive just because you like curvey, fat or an otherwise BBW.

Anorexia Nervosa is an eating disorder closely associated with OCD and other psychiatric disorders that require psychiatric help....not a lifestyle. Just as stress eating and gaining 300 lbs in two months would indicate an eating disorder.

Easting disorders of ALL kinds include major health issues and risks. "Pro-ana" is the most retarded thing I have ever come across. This type of thing is like "pro-painful neurotic suicide" and "pro-abortion"...no one in their right mind thinks that "pro" should be associated with these things. (BTW...pro-choicer here just making a point).

Both of you should seek some serious help before she becomes serious ill without a chance of recovery.

"Anorexia is thought to have the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric disorder, with approximately 6% of those who are diagnosed with the disorder eventually die due to related causes.[28] The suicide rate of people with anorexia is also higher than that of the general population and is thought to be the major cause of death for those with the condition.[29]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorexia_nervosa

with cited relaible professional soruces

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 10:16:04 AM

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Yeah never head of Pro-Ana. Sorry Dude.

What I do know is that Healthy is Beautiful to me. It isn't judging the look it's judging the action. I think trying to fit into an ideal weight because someone tells you it is pretty is fucked up. Americas Next Top Model has made it clear that MOST modles HATE their Diet they do it so that they can get more shoots I don't see why someone would want to be miserable just to look unrealistic in relations to society.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 10:20:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: SensualSubMale

You never heard of Pro-Ana? Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?

Anyway, I support pro-ana - it is a lifestyle decision and woman can make it if they want to. Plus I find very thin woman to be the very very attractive. I don't like curves at all and I don't understand guys that do. My current girlfriend is barely over hundred pounds and a size double 00.

So let's not judge thin woman and say they are unattractive just because you like curvey, fat or an otherwise BBW.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Pro-ana is as much as a lifestyle "choice" as alcoholism. Anorexia is a disease. It's a psychological condition that leads to a very unhealthy body.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 11:17:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: SensualSubMale
So let's not judge thin woman and say they are unattractive just because you like curvey, fat or an otherwise BBW.

WAITWAITWAIT

You're saying that anyone who *isn't* 'pro-ana' (or, in other words, dangerously anorexic) is automatically a) curvy b) fat or c) a 'Big Beautiful Woman'? You're honestly saying that no one else can be considered 'thin'?

That's... so very wildly insulting on so many levels to almost every girl that I know.

My cousin does not have any curves. She's also skinny as a stick (size 00 herself). She is *not* anorexic, however. You can't see her ribs, or other bones stretching her skin; she isn't *gaunt* or sickly, her hair doesn't fall out, etc. etc. etc., HOWEVER; she's honestly so thin that her clothes are usually too big (she also has to buy them in tall sizes! I think they must skew things a bit), even when she gets *little girl* clothes. Her feet are so narrow she has to custom order (or get cobbled) shoes.

Is she not thin? *Really*?

Marketing 'pro-ana' as a healthy lifestyle choice is dangerous, and disgusting, mostly because... there's *NO* way for it to be healthy, and it increases the likelihood that it will ruin MORE young women's (or even men's) lives because it is a PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDER.

Ugh, I'm shaking. Thanks a lot for that fucking slice.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 12:07:59 PM

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When I see a femdom/fem switch profile of a super attractive lesbian that is so vehemently, adamantly, almost psychotically anti MEN contacting them, I have to think this must be a profile of a guy looking to get his rocks off be talking to female subs. I can understand a lesbian not really caring for mail from guys, but to be so passionately disgusted and openly hostile about it right up front makes me think they are utterly creeped out by the idea that men may write them - wouldn't most lesbians just shrug and ignore it? But a guy looking for hot emails from femsubs -- he's so worried that his email might be filled with (gasp) other dudes, he has to just go on a tirade?

I'm actually a lesbian pretending to be a slightly overweight, balding, 50 year old male sub.

(It's been highly effective at keeping my emails down to reasonable numbers).

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 2:53:45 PM

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My apologies to the thread for somehow causing this derail. BTW I support all SSC kinks, pro-ana fails two of the three standards so no thanks.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 5:31:53 PM

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After first reading this thread to where it went on about 'pro-ana' and I lost interest, I went on the other side and the first three profiles that came up said ' no men/males etc'. I could not help thinking after reading what I had, was the profiles that came up genuinely women that did not wish for communication with men, or a bunch of wankers looking for fodder.

Perhaps reading this thread has tainted me, to think the latter, but I do genuinely believe there are people on here that do not wish communication from men. I believe this, because I know what men can be like, I am one. Men it seems will go to all lengths when the fire is in the blood, and posing as another sex, I would not put it past us.

As to those that feel they have to put ' no men', perhaps it is that reading lesbian, is obviously not clear enough for some people, or if not lesbian, they might be in a situation where they choose not to identify as lesbian, but would simply like to meet their own sex, and there is no harm in that. But from a viewers perspective, being confronted with the bold,' No men ' tends to send out, at least to me that men are seen as a pariah, best avoided.

But surely, we are not all bad, there are people on the other side that obviously are there to harass, but there are also others that mean no harm, it is a shame all men are lumped together, one bastard can ruin it for all.

But what gets me sometimes, is where a person seeks friends only, even people who frequent these forums, one clicks their profile to be confronted with the '' No men '' and the thinking is, should I go through with the message I was going to send to say prior to the '' No Men '' that I commend them on their thoughtful words, or is my message going to be wasted words as a bulk filter might be in place. To remember, even known people one converses regularly on forums, might be of the undesired sex, and so what can be well meant, the site program does not recognise forum people from their sex and into the bin they go, along with the wankers.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 5:54:20 PM

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FR: The derail is interesting to me, NOT because in any way am I "pro-ana" but because it really does test the boundaries of "consensual" behavior. This has been a huge discussion among bioethicists relating to voluntary body modification, up to and including digit and limb removal. I would be interested in discussing (in a new thread, perhaps) among people who are power-oriented, the issues of voluntarily damaging ones self or one's consensual property for sexual or erotic purposes. Consider that WIIWD involves risk (hence RACK as the term that "tops" SSC, in that not everything is "safe"). All sorts of "edgeplay" is risky. Even fairly basic impact play can result in a greater harm (for instance, with a bottom who is suceptible to bruising or infection). How can I vigorously defend my love of temporary piercing and knife play, for example, and then condemn a couple into extreme corsetry or ana?

And to bring this lofty derail down to the usual turf: I am sympathetic with those who write "NO MEN" in their profiles, seeking to derail male wankers. I've tried putting "NO ASSHATS" in my profile. It doesn't work.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 6:29:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SensualSubMale

You never heard of Pro-Ana? Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?

Anyway, I support pro-ana - it is a lifestyle decision and woman can make it if they want to. Plus I find very thin woman to be the very very attractive. I don't like curves at all and I don't understand guys that do. My current girlfriend is barely over hundred pounds and a size double 00.

So let's not judge thin woman and say they are unattractive just because you like curvey, fat or an otherwise BBW.

hahaha seriously?

I work with a lot of models/actresses (although I'm obviously far from being one myself), and I can see the appeal of very thin women, a lot of them are gorgeous. Most of the girls I know who model successfully are naturally really thin, sometimes 00's, often barely over 100 lbs. But they're genetic miracles. The anorexic girls rarely work long because while their body types are ideal for modelling for a short period of time, soon they look really, really sick. Their skin dries out which affects makeup, they become so angular that lighting can cause issues, and they get sick and miss shoots. No one is judging women with the disease, they're judging glamorizing a deadly illness.

Anyways, back on topic; I'm open to mail from both genders, and I think its pretty easy to tell when there's a man behind a lesbian profile. While I would say a vast majority of lesbian profiles are either men, or women looking for another woman to join her and her man, I think a lot of the guys who ignore the "No Men" disclaimer do so because they assume that if they're labelled a lesbian, they must genuinely have a vagina, because a lot of guys seem to think a lot of straight female profiles are actually gay men.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 6:51:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

My apologies to the thread for somehow causing this derail. BTW I support all SSC kinks, pro-ana fails two of the three standards so no thanks.

Pro-ana fails all THEE of the standards for SSC.

It is not safe. You can google and or go to web MD to look up the nasty side effects.
It is not sane. Now whether anorexia is caused by something being fundementally wrong in the brain or it is caused by societal and cultural influences, is not clear-cut, but most research and studies lean towards the latter because of the percentage rates of where it occurs.
It is not consensual. This is not a "lifestyle" that someone chooses when they turn 18. This is something that starts younger. Sometimes MUCH younger (I am talking about 7 and 8 year olds.) If this is caused by societal and cultural influences, these females are not old enough to understand and make an informed choice about what they are doing. If it is something fundementally wrong in the brain, then there is no way for them to consent anyways.

This problem has been documented in Western Society all throughout christianity. Some females have been canonized for it and some have been tortured.

I am well aware that males are affected by it as well. But, the problem is predominatly in women. Although more and more males are now receiving treatment for it.

DonKen: I was being flip, I do not actually think that you would look for a female that was anorexic for any reason. BTW, I also think that Barbie IS a good female role model.

Steel: Since you were unaware of the term Pro-Ana, you might want to google Pro-Mia as well. Remember Terry Shavio? She was Pro-Mia. That was what caused her problems in the first place.

SensualSubMale: You are an ass. In fact, you are part of the reason that these young girls are killing and destroying themselves with eating disorders. Seek some fisking help! You are NO better than one of those idjits in a white sheet proclaiming that others of a different colored skin than themselves are sub-human. Contrary to what you may have been told, women do NOT have an unspoken obligation to please your eyes. I'm VERY offended that you think women should have to lose weight in order to deserve an attractive mate, good sex, and a happy emotionally healthy life. And before you even go there, I'm not anti-thin, I'm anti-enabling people to act stupid without criticism.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 7:15:48 PM

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More than likely they are guys behind the profile. I laugh everytime I read these profiles. They are so over the top, but then again I read alot of over the top profiles so maybe some are.

And even if you've had bad experiences with men, that still doesen't fully justify going the other way since not all guys are bad and if any woman who turns lesbian thinking that another woman won't screw them around are in for one brutal reality check.

I have had bad experiences with men and women. It has nothing to do with my sexual orientation.

No it doesen't. It all has to do with the indvidual. And those women who think another woman won't screw them around truly are naive.

Plus that's more than a little sexist to say all men are jerks.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 8:05:47 PM

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Ok....I have to use this forum to air two pet peeves:

First, I hate seeing on any personals venue and ad like this:

"Beautiful, rich, nude model. Totally submissive. Seeks Dominant to serve, care for and spoil in every way possible. No men."

Now, I have no problem with lesbians. Hell, I wouldn't sleep with men either. But why can't they put the "No men." in front???????? I HATE going "yeah, yeah, yeah, YEAH....OH SHIT!"

My second is a rather personal problem but I still cringe a bit when I see an ad saying "Deep, Hardcore submissive into (add fifteen lines of kinky b/d, s/m desires here), k9...no men"

Uh, don't they categorize their profiles as "Lesbian?" I think they consider that to be your first, up front clue. The fact that they have to repeat that detail in the body of their profile, is just a testament to...well, something about blood rushing away from the brain.

Set your search for those seeking men, and be happy.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 8:12:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

When I see a femdom/fem switch profile of a super attractive lesbian that is so vehemently, adamantly, almost psychotically anti MEN contacting them, I have to think this must be a profile of a guy looking to get his rocks off be talking to female subs.

You are dead on with that one.

I love it when there's only one photo, or the multiple photos are obviously from a professional porn shoot or stock set. Too funny. 98% of the time they're just guys looking to talk to lesbians, no doubt.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 8:19:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

quote:

ORIGINAL: SensualSubMale

You never heard of Pro-Ana? Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years?

Anyway, I support pro-ana - it is a lifestyle decision and woman can make it if they want to. Plus I find very thin woman to be the very very attractive. I don't like curves at all and I don't understand guys that do. My current girlfriend is barely over hundred pounds and a size double 00.

So let's not judge thin woman and say they are unattractive just because you like curvey, fat or an otherwise BBW.

Anorexia Nervosa is an eating disorder closely associated with OCD and other psychiatric disorders that require psychiatric help....not a lifestyle. Just as stress eating and gaining 300 lbs in two months would indicate an eating disorder.

Easting disorders of ALL kinds include major health issues and risks. "Pro-ana" is the most retarded thing I have ever come across. This type of thing is like "pro-painful neurotic suicide" and "pro-abortion"...no one in their right mind thinks that "pro" should be associated with these things. (BTW...pro-choicer here just making a point).

Both of you should seek some serious help before she becomes serious ill without a chance of recovery.

"Anorexia is thought to have the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric disorder, with approximately 6% of those who are diagnosed with the disorder eventually die due to related causes.[28] The suicide rate of people with anorexia is also higher than that of the general population and is thought to be the major cause of death for those with the condition.[29]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorexia_nervosa

with cited relaible professional soruces

Just to let you know, I wouldn't cite Wikipedia. Ever.

It is terribly unreliable info at times. It's better to go to a medical - scientific publishing site or journal to get your info.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 11:05:57 PM

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I don't cite wikipedia as a rule when there is a grade attached to the paper. However, as a rule, it's a nice place to start research as, they often have resources that can be verified by following the citations at the bottom of the page.

As a note, and currently covering Axis 1 and 2 disorder association in reference to the DSM-IV, google (sccolar) also provides some good links to peer-reviewed papers as well as APA and independant study publications at little or no cost. These publications (almost all) refer to Anorexia Nervosa as a psychological disorder characterized by the obsessive need to maintain a low body weight and starvation to maintain that control. This disorder is also closely related to body dismorphic disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder (though OCD is not often directly discussed with Anorexia Nervosa).

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120055862/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/152/7/1073
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/48/8/712

Better?

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/21/2009 11:11:54 PM

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Just in case Jen's references aren't convincing enough you could always got to pubmed (index of all biological and medical journals) here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez
and search for anorexia nervosa (direct link to search results is not possible unfortunately) and take a gander at th 10,000+ articles detailing how very bad the disease is and what its underlying psychology is.

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RE: NO men! Men will be ignored! Men will be SHOT! Did ... - 2/22/2009 3:09:46 AM

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SensualSubMale probably hasn't read these responses :(

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