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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 12:48:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking as someone who has worked in the mental health/social services field I can tell you that there is no particular political idealogy.  CPS workers deal with the worst cases of neglect and abuse much of which never is reported in to the public because of the client's rights to privacy.  The few cases that make the press are the ones that end up in the courts or when an unmentionable dies.



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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1
If anyone has children, which I do, I'm sure they've heard the dreaded threat:  I'll call the cops if you punish me.
I am almost positive that the CPS is full of liberals and liberal ideaology.  If I'd threatened my parents with that, I'd have got my mouth smacked.


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 12:51:22 PM   
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The use of such terms as "conservative" and "liberal" rarely improve a conversation, as they often have a different meaning between individuals, and are pretty narrow and straitjacketed as well.

The entire "left/right" thinking is incorrect.

A "conservative" is not a Republican.  And a "liberal" is not a Democrat.  Nor are Republicans necessarily (or even mostly) conservative.

I think you need to add the concept of "conservative libertarian" to your lexicon.

By definition, I'm a liberal - a classical liberal - with one minor addendum.  That addendum is that faith and belief have a place in a healthy culture.

While heartfelt, your OP is chock-a-block full of the very ideological thinking and beliefs that perpetuate our current political dilemma and force all thinking into an unhealthy adversarial format.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 12:52:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quite honestly I could give a fuck less about how anyone parents their child as long as they don't disturb me. I don't want any, don't like them particularly well, and I didn't breed any.  I have seen others that should have followed suit, you know the ones, screaming that the are going to beat the kid's ass when they get home while dragging it by one arm? So attractive while out shopping.  Or even better while dining.
Abortion? Aren't there a million threads already about that? Yeah, not a baby, it's my body, and it's legal and it is my right.  Can't get dragged into this today. Nice segue attempt though.  



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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 12:53:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		And is that why West Virginia has implemented a false reporting law?

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Speaking as someone who has worked in the mental health/social services field I can tell you that there is no particular political idealogy.  CPS workers deal with the worst cases of neglect and abuse much of which never is reported in to the public because of the client's rights to privacy.  The few cases that make the press are the ones that end up in the courts or when an unmentionable dies.



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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1
If anyone has children, which I do, I'm sure they've heard the dreaded threat:  I'll call the cops if you punish me.
I am almost positive that the CPS is full of liberals and liberal ideaology.  If I'd threatened my parents with that, I'd have got my mouth smacked.


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 12:55:51 PM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		Ashcroft left the draps over the entire statue for 3 years. 

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How about that putz John Ashcroft who had to cover the bare breasts of the statue of Lady Justice?


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 12:58:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The false reporting happens most frequently in custody cases, each side throw as much mud as possible hoping that some will stick.  It is about the parents personal agendas not a political one.  In addition, some people call in false reports when they are pissed off at their neighbors or think the unmentionables are too noisy, etc.


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And is that why West Virginia has implemented a false reporting law?


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:03:13 PM   
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Conservatives give examples, then Liberals desperately attack the person, as if the only way they feel they can win a given argument is to make it about the person posting, or the wording, or the source, or their relationships - rather than the issue itself.



It is true that conservatives are the epitome of reason (and I include you in this bracket, Sanity, as you quite clearly are an objective source), while liberals are busy filling up these message boards with the literary equivalent of gratuitous violence.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

It's sad, these boards used to be worth participating in.



Seems that you could do with decamping to a conservative board so that you and your mates can transcend the barriers of earthly wisdom.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:04:32 PM   
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To each his own kink, eh? Barney Frank had a male prostitution ring going in his Washington apartment...


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Ashcroft left the draps over the entire statue for 3 years. 

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
How about that putz John Ashcroft who had to cover the bare breasts of the statue of Lady Justice?



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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:09:36 PM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		Relevance?  There are politicians across the political spectrum caught with their pants down around their ankles knee deep in hookers & blow year in and year out. 
They try to hide private behavior behind closed doors and eventually fail.
 
What Ashcroft did with the Spirit of Justic statue in the Great Hall of the Dept of Justice was public in his capacity as the Attorney General.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:13:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


To each his own kink, eh? Barney Frank had a male prostitution ring going in his Washington apartment...


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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Ashcroft left the draps over the entire statue for 3 years. 

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
How about that putz John Ashcroft who had to cover the bare breasts of the statue of Lady Justice?




Well I don't know about this nonsense you've brought up with Barney Frank, and frankly ( Frank, frankly, get it?) I don't care.

What does that have to do with an Attorney General who was so tight-assed he wouldn't be seen in front of a statue with bare breasts?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:14:01 PM   
Sanity


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Here's another perfect example of the type of behavior I was pointing out, NG here purposely chopped up my quote to change the meaning of what I said, furthering the "battle" over petty things as opposed to pursuing an honest discussion.

I was very clearly writing about the recent posts in these forums - here is the full paragraph that I wrote:

"Why do all the threads lately seem to almost instantly go into these petty personal attacks of late. Conservatives give examples, then Liberals desperately attack the person, as if the only way they feel they can win a given argument is to make it about the person posting, or the wording, or the source, or their relationships - rather than the issue itself."

And here is what the discussion has been reduced to -


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Conservatives give examples, then Liberals desperately attack the person, as if the only way they feel they can win a given argument is to make it about the person posting, or the wording, or the source, or their relationships - rather than the issue itself.



It is true that conservatives are the epitome of reason (and I include you in this bracket, Sanity, as you quite clearly are an objective source), while liberals are busy filling up these message boards with the literary equivalent of gratuitous violence.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

It's sad, these boards used to be worth participating in.



Seems that you could do with decamping to a conservative board so that you and your mates can transcend the barriers of earthly wisdom.


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:22:12 PM   
Sanity


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The point I was trying to make is that there are extremes that can be cited when trying to demonize any given group, sure. But most of us are closer to the middle.

And if someone wants to cover the breasts on a statue - so fucking what. Get a life... because there are countless examples of odd behavior among humans in every walk of life. Dwelling on that makes you as bad as the original act that you are trying to condemn, in my opinion.


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Well I don't know about this nonsense you've brought up with Barney Frank, and frankly ( Frank, frankly, get it?) I don't care.

What does that have to do with an Attorney General who was so tight-assed he wouldn't be seen in front of a statue with bare breasts?



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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:33:29 PM   
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Why do all the threads lately seem to almost instantly go into these petty personal attacks of late. Conservatives give examples, then Liberals desperately attack the person, as if the only way they feel they can win a given argument is to make it about the person posting, or the wording, or the source, or their relationships - rather than the issue itself.



Doesn't your statement seem just a little ironic to you? Especially since your conservative examples are attacks on people.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:40:56 PM   
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The point I was trying to make is that there are extremes that can be cited when trying to demonize any given group, sure. But most of us are closer to the middle.

And if someone wants to cover the breasts on a statue - so fucking what. Get a life... because there are countless examples of odd behavior among humans in every walk of life. Dwelling on that makes you as bad as the original act that you are trying to condemn, in my opinion.


Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're trying to deflect from the topic of the thread because you don't have a valid answer.

We had a conservative Christian administration that was so straight-laced they were offended by the nudity in a work of art.

Now, how much more do you think they would be offended by this website and your own views on BDSM and sexuality?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 1:46:37 PM   
Sanity


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Status: offline 		Pointing out the fact that NG chopped up my quote was an attack on him???

Oh, sure... 

In a word, the answer to your question would be no.

Edited to add that I didn't attack Barney Frank, I merely pointed out an historical fact as a means of making the point that while there are extremes in every group, using those extremes to demonize the entire group isn't a valid way to make an argument.


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Doesn't your statement seem just a little ironic to you? Especially since your conservative examples are attacks on people.

Butch


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 2:03:26 PM   
Sanity


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Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're trying to deflect from the topic of the thread because you don't have a valid answer.


You are mistaken - I've already given my answer, here.

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We had a conservative Christian administration that was so straight-laced they were offended by the nudity in a work of art.


So? We've had one so bent that the Commander-In-Chief was arguably a rapist, too.  What's your point?

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Now, how much more do you think they would be offended by this website and your own views on BDSM and sexuality?


I am guessing that president Bush wouldn't have come to this site, but maybe he would have. There are Christians represented here...

Neither kink nor religion are  Conservative or Liberal things necessarily, which is closer to the OP's question than what Bush thinks of  BDSM etc.

Now here's a quiz for you - are you really, truly unaware of the fact that Obama regularly goes to church?



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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 2:14:12 PM   
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Yeah. Specifically represented by the Fairness Doctrine.

Also as represented by Obama's demands that the nearly trillion dollar spending bill be passed without anyone reading it or debating it.

Yeah. A liberal phenomenon.

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Limiting free speech a liberal phenomena?







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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 2:22:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		To each their own, in politics and kink...dosen't mean I have to like your views or your kink...just means it's yours to choose....

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 2:28:20 PM   
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Oh, as I googled seat belt laws, I saw a little blurb that said something about, why write a law to protect idiots from themselves.
That made me think of this, which I'd like to add:

Contents may be hot *on a coffee cup*
Do not iron clothes while you are wearing them
For external use only *on a curling iron - wonder what some kink was doing*
Do not use in the shower *on a hair dryer*
Do not spray in eyes *on deodorant*

I could go on and on and on... but does anyone out there think conservatives thought up this stupid stuff?



No lawyers do.  Product liability class, case study was a man who cut off his arm trying to trim hedges with a lawn mower,  He sued and won because it didn't say he shouldn't

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 2:29:07 PM   
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In short, just as I would ask a black man how he could support the KKK or a Jew how he could contribute to the Nazi party, I ask again, how can anyone who identifies themselves as part of the d/s community support the conservative social agenda?



I hear money is the numero uno motivator for many conservatives.


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