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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 2:46:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1
Also, I'm pretty sure that conservatives didn't come up with seat belt or helmet laws, but if anyone can prove me wrong please do so.

Seat belt and helmet laws are very conservative laws. They protect society from having to pay for the dumb behavior of individuals. I personally would favor allowing people to for go seatbelts and helmets as long as they agreed to cash on the barrel head for medical treatment of injuries received while not wearing seatbelts or helmets. Otherwise I'm unwilling to pay for your stupidity. Also if you insist on riding without a helmet please sign the back of your license and leave a medical power of attorney directing your survivors to donate your organs.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 3:01:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		To get back to the OP's original question: "How could anyone support the conservative agenda, and still be a part of the D/s community?"

The answer is simple, and obvious.

You will see it in any number of high profile conservative's behavior. For instance: Sen. Larry Craig. Senator Craig has been a long time advocate (if you'll excuse the term) for anti-gay legislation. Yet, that didn't stop him from soliciting a blowjob in a public restroom, for which he was arrested by an undercover cop.

The answer is simple, and obvious.

Rush Limbaugh, perhaps one of the most high profile GOP mouthpeices on the airwaves, has been repeatedly put on record that he hates attempts to legalize pot. You can find one of his rants against Jerry Garcia on Youtube. (Just months before Jerry died of heart failure) Yet, less than a year later, Rush himself was busted on "Doctor Shopping" charges, to feed his ocycontin addiction.

The answer is simple, and obvious.

Newt Gingrich, one time honcho of congress, was elected on a "family values" platform. He wanted us all to live a good, honest Christian life... like he did. So it was no surprise then to find that he had his first wife sign the divorice papers while she was still coming out from under the anesthetics for her cancer operation... or that he was found getting a blowjob from a secretary in his car, while attending a family reunion... with some of his families' kids less than 15 feet away....

The answer is simple, and obvious.

They are hypocrites.

Apply this rule to all.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 3:27:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something that is blatently obvious about your statement that I don't believe anyone has noticed.  That Ds isn't about being gay.  Neither does it have to do with porn.  It doesn't even have to have anything to do with BDSM.  In fact, BDSM doesn't have to have anything to do with porn or gay sex either.  Your question pretty much sounds as silly as asking why christians participate in DD or Ds.
 
Don't confuse and mix up the whole lot and you can pretty much get why conservative supporters are and can be happily involved in Ds relationships.  It could be you simply need to reformat your question?
 
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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 3:31:29 PM   
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I have to ask a question that has long been bothering me. How can anyone who is in the d/s world to the point of being on this board support the conservative agenda. Financial policy aside, it seems these people are dedicated to our eradication. Does anyone think that a group vocally against reproductive rights, gay rights, free speech rights in the matter of pornography are going to at all support the rights of "whip swinging perverts" like us?

One of the most vocal and self proclaimed neo-cons on this board has a picture of herself in a corset with her breasts bared. The ads that support this site link to d/s pornography sites. Do you have any thought that the party that holds up "traditional American values" and align with the christian right wing would hesitate to shut it down if they could?

Do you think that the conservatives have any interest in allowing d/s organizations like TES or clubs like Paddles to exist? Or is it more likely that their desire is to take down these perceived blights on society and marginalize them into extinction?

Is it just that being into d/s is easier to hide than being gay that makes it possible for you to support an organization that is unmistakably dedicated to our extinction? Or is it just a matter of putting the pocketbook before all else?

In short, just as I would ask a black man how he could support the KKK or a Jew how he could contribute to the Nazi party, I ask again, how can anyone who identifies themselves as part of the d/s community support the conservative social agenda?




I don't think you really understand what makes a "conservative" tick.  I happen to be to the right of Genghis Khan....but I also am active in the D/s lifestyle.  What does one have to do with the other?..Because a guy is gay..does that mean he could never serve in the front lines?  Because a woman is lesbian...is she ruled out of marching against injustice if politicians enact laws raising taxes for money to be spent on wasteful projects?  You are confusing politics with cultural and social compartments in peoples lives.  I grew up in a tough area of NYC, got and gave my share of bloody noses, as an adult I am a pretty tough businessman and don't take any crap from vendors trying to rip me off, workers who are lax and don't understand the meaning of the word "work", etc.....but am also very submissive in another dimension.

People in the D/s lifestyle come in all colors, ages, shapes and smells.  that's what makes it so wonderful and unique.  Generally I have found that these are people who believe in living life to it's fullest with no inhibitions...sexually..or stating poltical points of view.  At least that's my experience.
So there!!!  


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 3:57:25 PM   
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I don't think you really understand what makes a "conservative" tick.  I happen to be to the right of Genghis Khan....but I also am active in the D/s lifestyle.  What does one have to do with the other?..Because a guy is gay..does that mean he could never serve in the front lines?  Because a woman is lesbian...is she ruled out of marching against injustice if politicians enact laws raising taxes for money to be spent on wasteful projects?  You are confusing politics with cultural and social compartments in peoples lives.  I grew up in a tough area of NYC, got and gave my share of bloody noses, as an adult I am a pretty tough businessman and don't take any crap from vendors trying to rip me off, workers who are lax and don't understand the meaning of the word "work", etc.....but am also very submissive in another dimension.

People in the D/s lifestyle come in all colors, ages, shapes and smells.  that's what makes it so wonderful and unique.  Generally I have found that these are people who believe in living life to it's fullest with no inhibitions...sexually..or stating poltical points of view.  At least that's my experience.
So there!!!  




Actually, they can't.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:16:51 PM   
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The point I was trying to make is that there are extremes that can be cited when trying to demonize any given group, sure. But most of us are closer to the middle.

And if someone wants to cover the breasts on a statue - so fucking what. Get a life... because there are countless examples of odd behavior among humans in every walk of life. Dwelling on that makes you as bad as the original act that you are trying to condemn, in my opinion.


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Well I don't know about this nonsense you've brought up with Barney Frank, and frankly ( Frank, frankly, get it?) I don't care.

What does that have to do with an Attorney General who was so tight-assed he wouldn't be seen in front of a statue with bare breasts?




Sanity, you are about as close to the middle as I am.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:20:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KaineD

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ORIGINAL: corysub

I don't think you really understand what makes a "conservative" tick.  I happen to be to the right of Genghis Khan....but I also am active in the D/s lifestyle.  What does one have to do with the other?..Because a guy is gay..does that mean he could never serve in the front lines?  Because a woman is lesbian...is she ruled out of marching against injustice if politicians enact laws raising taxes for money to be spent on wasteful projects?  You are confusing politics with cultural and social compartments in peoples lives.  I grew up in a tough area of NYC, got and gave my share of bloody noses, as an adult I am a pretty tough businessman and don't take any crap from vendors trying to rip me off, workers who are lax and don't understand the meaning of the word "work", etc.....but am also very submissive in another dimension.

People in the D/s lifestyle come in all colors, ages, shapes and smells.  that's what makes it so wonderful and unique.  Generally I have found that these are people who believe in living life to it's fullest with no inhibitions...sexually..or stating poltical points of view.  At least that's my experience.
So there!!!  




Actually, they can't.


I understand the prohibition in the U.S. Code of Military Justice against gays in the military.....At least we have a beginning...if a baby step with DADT which keeps gays in the closet if they want to serve, not great, but better than having to sign on the dotted line that you were not gay when you were.  

My point was that,  from personal friendships, I know guys who are gay and did see battle from VietNam to Iraq...The OP was questioning how a conservative could be involved in the D/s lifestyle...and my point...maybe should have used another example is that "sterertypes" are far from truth when it comes to defining people.  Not all gays are sissy boys tip toeing through the tulips....although I don't find anything wrong with that and think its' "kinda cute"...some are warriors every bit as much as a hetero....Similarly...conservatives can be active in the D/s lifestyle...not all of us are in buttondown shirts and drink our scotch neat...

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:24:12 PM   
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So? We've had one so bent that the Commander-In-Chief was arguably a rapist, too. What's your point?


Sanity, there may be hope for you yet.  Calling Bush a rapist is close to realizing that he was a liar, murderer and a downright despicable human being.  Who did the recovering alcoholic rape...other than Lady Liberty? 

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:32:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say Clinton was closer to rapist than Bush.
Isn't using your office to pressure others into having sex akin to rape?
And isn't that what he did when he was governor of Arkansas?

Edited to add: Clinton was a much better and more accomplished liar than Bush could ever dream of being.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:38:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Conservative want less government, not a nanny state.
I don't give a crap if an grown adult wants to wear a helmet or not.  I don't care if a grown adult wants to wear a seat belt or not.  It's not my business to tell them what is best for them...
I also think marijuana laws are stupid, and clogging up our judicial system and our jails.  And I don't smoke pot.  AND I'm a conservative.

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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1
Also, I'm pretty sure that conservatives didn't come up with seat belt or helmet laws, but if anyone can prove me wrong please do so.

Seat belt and helmet laws are very conservative laws. They protect society from having to pay for the dumb behavior of individuals. I personally would favor allowing people to for go seatbelts and helmets as long as they agreed to cash on the barrel head for medical treatment of injuries received while not wearing seatbelts or helmets. Otherwise I'm unwilling to pay for your stupidity. Also if you insist on riding without a helmet please sign the back of your license and leave a medical power of attorney directing your survivors to donate your organs.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:44:42 PM   
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Conservative want less government, not a nanny state.
I don't give a crap if an grown adult wants to wear a helmet or not.  I don't care if a grown adult wants to wear a seat belt or not.  It's not my business to tell them what is best for them...
I also think marijuana laws are stupid, and clogging up our judicial system and our jails.  And I don't smoke pot.  AND I'm a conservative.


hee ... actually, you are a classical liberal as well.

We are just labeled "conservative" because the current group of people who believe in the all powerful state have co-opted the "liberal" term.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:54:02 PM   
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Having read the posts here, I believe only one or two posters actually know the definition of conservative. There is also a difference in the types of conservatism.

I do agree that the Reps needs to distance themselves from the religious zealots.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:57:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

I have to ask a question that has long been bothering me. How can anyone who is in the d/s world to the point of being on this board support the conservative agenda. Financial policy aside,...




      Quite the broad brush you have there, Spinner, and quite the big "let's pretend this part doesn't exist." 

       For one thing, I have no worries about the Repubs actually getting a radical Fundie social agenda to go anywhere except maybe the courts.  You might as well ask how anyone who owns a gun could ever possibly vote for a Democrat/support the liberal social agenda.  Bones, scraps, and press releases get thrown to the radical segments of the party,

       Example:  The cornerstone of the religious right has been abortion.  20, of the last 28 years have had a Republican, who was going stop it, in the White House.  At any time in those 28 years has a random asshole been unable to hand his girlfriend $300 (+/- whatever) and say "well, get rid of it," when she starts puking every morning?

       They'll make their noise.  It will be an issue of the day (we might even have threads on it!) and the end result will be nada.  Reagan had his Meese Commision, and here I am today with a universe of porn a click away.  Al Gore had his hearings (I never forgave him for that, btw) and what comes booming out of cars today is a hell of a lot filthier than what his dirty-minded wife was listening to. 

       As has also been noted in this thread, I see a lot more intrusion into the individual lives of people from the liberal side of politics and ideology. 

     If I should get arrested for doing WIITWD, the laws that required the police to prioritize the call from a neighbor, the laws that allow them to enter my home, the laws that won't allow my wife to stop the charges from being pursued, the laws which would deny me the right to professionally bear arms following a conviction, all come from the liberal side of the aisle.  There is no such thing as "consensual domestic violence."

      My question would be, "what the hell is a kinky person doing supporting the libs?"

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 6:57:47 PM   
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Having read the posts here, I believe only one or two posters actually know the definition of conservative. There is also a difference in the types of conservatism.

I do agree that the Reps needs to distance themselves from the religious zealots.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 7:00:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Darcy&the Dark, you honestly believe that the GOP jihad against gays, sex education, women's access to healtcare providers when pregnant.... all of that is somehow utterly seperate? You honestly believe that somehow this is going to stop at your doorstep and go no farther? That you, as a practicing pervert (and I use it as a term of affection) are completely immune to their misguided laws and policies? They you, like the famous german dissident said, "don't care when they come for the jews, because I'm not a jew... I don't care when they come for the homosexuals, because I'm not a homosexual..." (I'm sure you know the rest of the quote.) If YOU really believe that...

Then I guess they are more than just hypocrites... they're fucking deluded too!

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 7:16:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't personally know anyone who is waging a war against gays.
But I do personally know a lot of conservatives who are tired of having the liberal PC susie-has-two-mommys gay agenda being shoved down their and their childrens' throats.  Myself included.
I don't care what you do behind your closed doors, trust me I am terribly serious about that.

I wonder if the general public, liberals included, would be just as gung-ho for kids books called My mommy has a slave, or having beat the sub family night?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 7:23:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		For anyone interested, I'm currently writing My mommy has a slave.  Do I have a publisher out there?  Drop me a line.  Also, I think I need an illustrator.  I can just see the pictures now.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 7:31:19 PM   
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But I do personally know a lot of conservatives who are tired of having the liberal PC susie-has-two-mommys gay agenda being shoved down their and their childrens' throats.


Concrete example, please?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 7:32:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Um, the last time I was in Catagory 6 Book in Denver, they DID have a book that explained what BDSM relationships were, to an elementary level audiance. I don't know, the book may have been published as a joke, or a parody of the "Heather Has 2 Mommies"-type book. But, it DOES exist.

I don't know if the general public is ready for it, but I guess we'll find out. The BDSM community IS heading in that direction... (You can also cruise some of the family photos for the Folsom Street Fair, and find plenty of shots of leather families, AND THEIR KIDS, being out and proud about themselves.

So you don't know anyone who is in favor of legislation like the "Defense of Marriage Act?" Or other local, or state bans on gay marriage? You yourself are all for taking children away from gay and lesbian parents? You think that employers should be able to use sexual orientation as a criteria for hiring or firing? You think people should be denied home loans or rental agreements for an apartment based on who they sleep with?
You never supported an anti gay measure on any ballot?

You don't consider such laws or policies to be a "war on gays?"
And you don't know anyone who supports such things. Yet, you are taking the GOP side in this argument?

Gosh, I'm so sorry that you're tired of all the "uppity gays" constantly talking about how they aren't considered full citizens of the US. I'll try, in the future, to give YOUR feelings all the consideration they deserve.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/21/2009 7:42:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well should I be able to have my husband and my submissive on my insurance?  Family leave act to care for an ill sub? 
I have a personal reason why I don't support gay marriage, and it is too involved and personal to discuss on a message board. 
Do I think gay parents should lose their parental rights?  Absolutely not.  Do I think they should be out there working to have their acceptance agenda taught to MY children?  No fucking way.
Google homosexual sex in sex ed.  Why does sex being taught have to be gay or straight.  Why can't it just be sex?
If you're going to put your penis in an orrifice, but a condom on it.  How freakin hard is that???

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