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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 4:43:17 AM   
KaineD


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Gay agenda would probably be lead by hmmmmm either gay marriage or pushing having kindergartners taught about alternative lifestyles under the guise of anti discrimination.



Why is gay marriage an "agenda" ?

Why the connotation that there is an evil gay conspiracy?

The civil rights movement... was that the "black agenda" ?  And no, that's not me calling you racist, neo-con.  I feel comfortable calling you neo-con 'cause you so freely spit out liberal with so much venom laced in your posts.

Do you teach your children that gay people don't exist?

It's funny that people wanting to give children greater knowledge are labelled as "having an agenda".  Could it not simply be that people want to educate children?

Hey neo-con, you against evolution being taught in schools too?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 4:53:02 AM   
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Talk about euphamisms!

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 5:59:46 AM   
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No, I was asking you personally, since you said that you personally knew conservatives annoyed with the liberal gay agenda being rammed down their throat. But I understand that you don't really have examples. It's okay: it's what I was expecting.

Edited for clarity.


When I read her posts, I assumed she was talking about personal freinds. She obviously has a problem with it, so it stands to reason her buddies probibly do to.  I don't see this as a con/lib thing though. I know people on both sides who are against gays, and I know people on both sides who don't care.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:05:35 AM   
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I have personally stopped people from saying something is "GAY" as a synonym bad, as I've stopped them from saying something is "RETARDED".
I don't have any problem at all with having a partner on your insurance.  But tell that to a woman I work with, who can't get on her partner of 13 year's insurance because they are not married, even though they have three children together.
It works both ways, for gay and straight.  Are the gays out there pushing for the heterosexual couple who are NOT married to be on another's insurance as well?
Straight couples in the military also have restrictions on their "relations".  Why don't you look that up.

I don't care if you kiss your gay parnter on the mouth in front of me.  Just don't tell me I have to like it.

And for whomever said it, I cannot claim an adult non-relative as a dependant.


The difference is, the women you work for made a decision not to marry the guy. Gays don't have that choice. I know you won't understand that, but I just had to say it.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:08:25 AM   
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You're calling me a RACIST because I stated that Clinton used sexual harrassment during his term as a governor?  If he didn't, why did he pay Paula Jones almost a million dollars?



Blackmail?


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:10:59 AM   
MasterShake69


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The same girls that could get info for FAKE IDS to get into clubs cant use GOOGLE to learn about there options ;)
If they are really that stupid how would they manage to open the door to the abortion clinic?  Wouldnt they be stuck pushing the door that says pull to open...thats if they got that far ;)



Umm...teenage pregancy does not equal fake ids/clubs. The girls I know who got knocked up and had the babies were catholics, who didn't drink, didn't go to clubs, and sure as fuck didn't have fake ids. They had boyfriends in their class at school. The reason they didn't know is because there aren't abortion clinics in Canada, you have to go to your actual doctor. You aren't taught that in school, but you should be. Are you one of those people that think girls are asking to be raped when they wear short skirts?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:16:11 AM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		Clinton's treatment was payback for what occurred to both Bush Sr and Ronald Reagan.  Learn about something called the October surprise.  What was the level of evidence needed to start an investigation.  You will be surprised by all that was required to go after republicans ;)   Then learn about from the actual negotiations of carter and the Iranians why the hostages were released at that time.  At no time did the investigation ever interview anybody from the carter administration.  You couldn't actually have the truth in it ;)    

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http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/Juanita_Broaddrick.HTM




Let me see if I have this right.

You've stated that attacking Obama is justified as payback for the harsh treatment of Bush.

Yet, any criticism of Bush was based on his policies and governing ability (or lack thereof).

Clinton was under constant attack from Republicans, not for what he was doing in office, but for the kind of utter garbage you've just posted here.

Tell me, if this was true, do you not think he would have been prosecuted, especially since the Republicans spent 80 million of our tax dollars just to get him to admit to a blowjob?

And of course we can't forget the other Clinton "facts".  You do know he had over 40 different political opponents assassinated don't you?


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:19:15 AM   
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No, I was asking you personally, since you said that you personally knew conservatives annoyed with the liberal gay agenda being rammed down their throat. But I understand that you don't really have examples. It's okay: it's what I was expecting.

Edited for clarity.


When I read her posts, I assumed she was talking about personal freinds. She obviously has a problem with it, so it stands to reason her buddies probibly do to.  I don't see this as a con/lib thing though. I know people on both sides who are against gays, and I know people on both sides who don't care.


Yep. What I would also love to see is examples of 'liberal gay agenda' being rammed down people's throats. You know, her personal recollections,  whereby she or her family were forced to swallow the agenda in question .

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:24:39 AM   
thishereboi


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Status: offline 		I got this same bs question on the lesbian board. Just because I lean to the right does not mean I agree with everything, every other person on the right believes. Its this kind of thinking that is sinking our country. If your on the right then you must believe x and y, if your on the left you must believe v and w. That is a load of crap. Do you honestly believe everyone on the left is ok with wiiwd and everyone on the right is against it? Do you honestly believe that everyone on the left is pro choice and everyone on the right is against it? I keep hearing about the terrible religous right and how they are after me for my sexuality. However the church I go to is mainly liberal and the minister is liberal. They don't think abortion is ok, but they still consider themselves as liberals. There are people on both sides who are narrow minded, it has nothing to do with party affiliation.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:26:12 AM   
MasterShake69


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Why does tolerance and diversity only go so far as the minority pushing their view?
Why don't we have white history month?
Why are we allowed Heather has two mommys, but no prayer in school?
My daughters know the life story of Rosa Parks, but probably know nothing at all about Susan B. Anthony. *yes, I just asked and had it confirmed*
Why is a minorrah an acceptable display in government buildings, but a nativity scene or even a christmas tree is not?



Another fallacy of the extreme right - false outrage.

Please, spare me your false outrage.

Why don't whites have a white history month?  'Cause everyday is white history day.  Were whites in slavery in America?  No.  You have no legitamite reason to be angry over not having a white history month.

We need concrete examples of "heather has two mommies" books in public schools.  And no prayer in school?  There is this thing called seperation of church and state.  But perhaps you'd be happy forcing children of non-christian religions and athiest kids to pray to your boogeyman in the sky.  America is simply too diverse to make prayer time in most public schools very practical - a teacher would have to lead the prayer, and who do they pray to?  If a kid really wants to, they can pray themselves anyway.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:26:30 AM   
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No, I was asking you personally, since you said that you personally knew conservatives annoyed with the liberal gay agenda being rammed down their throat. But I understand that you don't really have examples. It's okay: it's what I was expecting.

Edited for clarity.


When I read her posts, I assumed she was talking about personal freinds. She obviously has a problem with it, so it stands to reason her buddies probibly do to.  I don't see this as a con/lib thing though. I know people on both sides who are against gays, and I know people on both sides who don't care.


Yep. What I would also love to see is examples of 'liberal gay agenda' being rammed down people's throats. You know, her personal recollections,  whereby she or her family were forced to swallow the agenda in question .


Yea me too. I guess its time to dig out my lesbian manual and see just what the agenda of the day really is.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:28:24 AM   
KaineD


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Clinton's treatment was payback for what occurred to both Bush Sr and Ronald Reagan. 


So, again, you are confirmiing for us that neo-cons are in fact ten years old?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:32:00 AM   
MasterShake69


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Status: offline 		Or do you mean the outdated ideas of the democrat party.  Since you have looked to expand recruitment of African Americans and both legal and illegal Spanish they do vote for democrats.  But they also vote against gay marriage too ;)
Remember in a state where republicans are totally outnumbered Obama wins by a huge margin but so does anti gay marriage propositions ;)  SO are you going to tell African Americans that there ideas are as outdated as lynching ;)




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The moment the liberals lose an argument they call you a racist.


Its telling that you immediately assume the comment was about racism.

I took it to mean MissSephora1's ideas are as outdated as lynchings.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:34:41 AM   
MasterShake69


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then ill respond to your question.;)


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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Clinton's treatment was payback for what occurred to both Bush Sr and Ronald Reagan. 


So, again, you are confirmiing for us that neo-cons are in fact ten years old?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:36:59 AM   
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If you are so liberal... how come you cannot accept that conservatives can be in Ds relationships? It might not be your idea of a Ds relationship. It may not include daily doses of porn, or gay sex, or discipline. So what? You are questioning the very validity of a persons personal choice of relationship. How very 'conservative' of you.


My question is simply how anyone can support an agenda that is in direct opposition to and possibly dangerously harmful to one's own lifestyle. If, for example, you are an atheist. it makes no sense to support a politician who openly advocates that America become a Christian country. If you are the owner of a distillery, it makes no sense to support an agenda of bringing back prohibition. If you are a right wing radio talk show host, it makes no sense to support politicians who seek to return the fairness doctrine (which, btw, as a liberal I'm firmly against....the government has no business regulating speech and it can only lead to trouble.)

I do not deny anyone their right to be a conservative. I also don't deny anyone their right to shove eight crab apples up their ass and sing the Barney theme song at the top of their lungs every morning. But I sure as hell am going to ask "Why would anyone want to do that?"

And so, my question is still the same. Why would anyone join up with a group who, as part of their agenda, wish to do away with and discriminate against those with non-mainstream sexualities?

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:39:25 AM   
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In short, just as I would ask a black man how he could support the KKK or a Jew how he could contribute to the Nazi party, I ask again, how can anyone who identifies themselves as part of the d/s community support the conservative social agenda?



Because I am allowed to be the dichotomy I choose.

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 6:58:49 AM   
KaineD


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Status: offline 		No.  Make a seperate topic about it, because it has absolutely no relevance here.

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learn about the October surprise and the low standard it set for investigations.  Tell me what was the standard of evidence?
then ill respond to your question.;)


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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

Clinton's treatment was payback for what occurred to both Bush Sr and Ronald Reagan. 


So, again, you are confirmiing for us that neo-cons are in fact ten years old?


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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 7:19:47 AM   
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My question is simply how anyone can support an agenda that is in direct opposition to and possibly dangerously harmful to one's own lifestyle.


I believe we are just at different points here.  You seem to assume that being into a Ds relationship is equal to being into porn, and that Ds means that you will be or have a gay experience.  These are not automatically inclusive.
A Ds relationship means that one person is dominant and that one is submissive.  That's it.  There is nothing more concise than that really.  What about liberal christians - and they do exist you know.  But how can they?  By your thinking, then how can a liberal submissive who is a christian do any of 'what they do' - whatever that is.  The thing you are doing is second guessing what a Ds relationship is for everyone.  Ds is the orientation.  It isn't the act.  It isn't the sexual orientation.  It's just an orientation that places you either in a position of authority or in a position of releasing authority to another.  It doesn't mean you like to fuck the same sex.  It doesn't mean you like to be trussed up like a sausage.  It doesn't mean you read porn.  It doesn't mean you are into blood letting.  It doesn't mean you have sex outside marriage.  These are acts and kinks and fetishes that are completely seperate from Ds and are the icing for some.  But it doesn't mean that everyone participates.
 
You seem to be insisting that Ds be the focal point.  It really isn't and it's confusing for what could be - an interesting diatribe.  But it loses cohesion when you base it on Ds.  Ask how a conservative christian can be gay or how can a liberal be against abortion and then you might have a more substantial question.
 
I would also ask you how you define conservatism, because I believe that it is possible you are misunderstanding the word and context.  Not all conservatives are christians.  Many liberals have intense spiritual and religious beliefs.  You seem to be grasping at the notion that all conservatives are one way.  Are all men one way?  All women?  Or all soldiers?  Using stereotypes is there for a reason, but there are always exceptions to the rule.

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And so, my question is still the same. Why would anyone join up with a group who, as part of their agenda, wish to do away with and discriminate against those with non-mainstream sexualities?



I would ask this question before I can attempt an answer.  Do you identify with being 'part of the Ds community'? 
 
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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 7:30:13 AM   
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I don't think you're going to find mainstream Democrat or Republican politicians that will support "whip swinging perverts."  If you really believe you'll see Ted Kennedy, Dianne Feinstein, Hillary Clinton, or our new President proudly exclaiming their support of sadomasochism, than I want some of what your smoking.  Find me the most liberal politician in America, and have him get caught on camera coming out of a S&M club or party dressed head to toe in leather or latex, and watch how quickly all the liberal politicians condemn their behavior and cross the street when they see said politician coming. 


Yes, but the difference is liberal politicians do not actively campaign against what doesn't fall in line with their personal ideas of moral righteousness.

Remember this guy?


FOXNews.com - Raw Data: Excerpts of Santorum's AP Interview ... WASHINGTON — An unedited section of the Associated Press interview, taped April 7, with Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.


SANTORUM: We have laws in states, like the one at the Supreme Court right now, that has sodomy laws and they were there for a purpose. because, again, I would argue, they undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family. And if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution, this right that was created, it was created in Griswold — Griswold was the contraceptive case — and abortion. And now we're just extending it out. And the further you extend it out, the more you — this freedom actually intervenes and affects the family. You say, well, it's my individual freedom. Yes, but it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that's antithetical to strong healthy families. Whether it's polygamy, whether it's adultery, where it's sodomy, all of those things, are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family.

Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Why? Because society is based on one thing: that society is based on the future of the society. And that's what? Children. Monogamous relationships. In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality —

AP: I'm sorry, I didn't think I was going to talk about "man on dog" with a United States senator, it's sort of freaking me out.

SANTORUM: And that's sort of where we are in today's world, unfortunately. The idea is that the state doesn't have rights to limit individuals' wants and passions. I disagree with that. 

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RE: Conservatives in the D/s Community - 2/22/2009 7:34:40 AM   
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My words were carefully chosen. No, I'm not talking about just abortion. If I had meant just that, I would have said that. No, I meant exactly what I said. When the GOP Christian right gets a Planned Parenthood, or other women's clinic shut down, it deeply harms a lot of women who are just looking for prenatal care. You know that, or at least should.

Everytime the nutcase extremists take away a resource like that, it leaves women (mostly those on the low end of the economic scale) twisting in the wind.

The abortion debate has already been lost by the right. Thanks to RU-486, and other "morning after" or "Plan B" forms of birth control, traditional abortion will becoming less and less common.

My personal feelings on the matter are that our current abortion poicies are sane, rational and have evolved correctly: first trimester, it's the mother's decision alone. Second, the mother and a Doctor must decide. Third, a judge has to get involved. Makes perfect sense to me.

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