FirmhandKY
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FR: What do I think, Firmhand? Well I am so glad you asked.
I think you are ignorant, selfish and ultimately in fact cruel to these dogs. You are an animal abuser. And your arrogance has you clothing it as something "humane".
Let's parse this out. You have read above the arguments (well made) of your ignorance in dumping the animal "in the wild". You are simply pushing your problem on someone else. I don't need to repeat those arguments. However, you are also selfish, in that you are choosing to salve your weak-minded conscience by claiming that you are being 'moral and respectful'. In fact, you are shirking responsiblity and selecting out animals to suffer, with no regard for their future. And you are cloaking your cowardice in your self-justification. Why don't you simply sell the "excess animals" to a testing lab, or better yet, a dog fighting club? Then you can be your badass macho self and make some money too! The outcome for the animal -- likely misery -- is the same.
But worst of all, you are abusive. No one else has focused on your oh-so-manly comment: they were dangerous, or could not be trained to respect the physical integrity of the children, they were put down locally (usually with a 9 mm). So, first, as one shooter to another, why a 9mm? There is no reason to use a round that big, with that much muzzle velocity, to "put down" a dog and in fact it is very possible that the dog will not die a humane, painless death. Bet you couldn't wait to kill something with your pistol. But you had to make sure your admiring little chickadees who read your every word on CM knew you used a BIG MAN's gun, didn't you?
In fact, only a cruel person (or maybe a psychopath?) would shoot a dog to euthanize it. Dogs survive head trauma amazingly well. Can you swear that EVERY animal 'disposed of' this way died immediately? I have worked in animal rescue for over 20 years and I have had "dead" dogs with head trauma wake up after being shot, clubbed or hit by a car. They aren't at all healthy, but they aren't dead. The only ethical and humane way to euthanize a dog is to use a drug cocktail administered intervenously, or to use a gas/decompression chamber. But, hey, Firmhand, that would take all the fun out of it, wouldn't it?
Normally I ignore these posts. But congratulations, you have disgusted me into telling you exactly how I feel. Now if you care to atone for your considerable wrongdoing, you'll make a sizeable donation to an AHSA-affiliated animal shelter in your area. I'd say about $5000 would begin to erase the stain. BEGIN to. And THEN post the cancelled check, and maybe you could lecture us all on your morals?
E.
PS: Kiyari, we do rescue here. Current count is 3 dogs, 1 cat, 3 birds. We do have one purebred, purchased cat (our last breeder-purchased animal before we decided that it was unnecessary to support animal breeding, although we both love purebreds). Unfortunately there are now enough reckless "animal lovers" that even papered purebreds can be found in shelters and rescue societies. (and my profile is available on here...but oddly you need to type in 'Emperor'. Dunno why, but CM never fixed it so I could have the same name in two places.)
You need to calm down.
I understand that it's an emotional issue, and I've had my share of troubled nights over the animals that ended up on my doorstep.
You are welcome to your opinion. If I still lived at the location I discussed, I guess the best thing for me to do is buy a small caliber gun, and the next time any dog that I didn't purchase or acquire showed up --- I should just walk out the door and start shooting. Ought to be able to kill it after 4 or 5 shots. If the 22's can get them in the heart. Of course, I might just injury him, and he'd run away and die in agony.
Or just take a machete and run around the yard, swinging it, trying to hit on the neck enough to get them down where I can stomp their brains out. Of course, having the rest of the pack chasing after us, baying and barking, getting in the way ... I might accidentally hit one of the animals I had taken responsibility for, ya know. And the vision that my kids would see might contribute to a few nightmares, and visits to the local "head doc".
Of course, if the animal turned out to be one of my farmer neighbors, I'll likely get sued.
Call the Animal Control Office? Well, when my county finally hired one ... no, wait, they had a volunteer who worked at it two days a week after the first 8 years I lived there .... but they finally did hire one guy full-time.... but he couldn't leave the shelter and make visits too ... so they started charging for visits so they could afford a second, part-time person, and so that the ACO could make visits occasionally.
After that, I started calling him, and one time, to get a couple of dogs, he came out on three separate occasions. All the dogs ran away the first time, except for the house dogs. I'm sorry he wasted a trip, but I didn't particular want him to give him my youngest son's favorite house dog ...
I still paid him his $20 for the visit.
The next time he came out to get the two dogs I specifically wanted gone, he had a problem with his noose. And couldn't run fast enough to catch them anyway. Finally he did catch one of them, but then the dog slipped out and he couldn't catch him again.
I paid him his trip fee again.
The third time, I had caught the dogs and penned them in, and put collars on them so that he could put a chain around their necks. He got them that time.
I paid him his trip fee, and the fee for the two dogs.
'Course, all them thar "visit fees" meant I couldn't take the young'ens out to McDonald's that week ...
I'm sure glad that you guys up in Ill-e-noise have a different system. Maybe us hicks down here in Kain-tuck-e should all move up there .... (you do have trailer parks, dontja?)
Of course, once these here pregnant bitches that got dropped on my doorstep ... I could've killed them pretty fast, if I had that "deadly cocktail" that you discussed. Can I buy it at Wal Mart? Or do I have to go to a "friendly" vet?
I'm real friendly with the vets around there. Paid for one's first three kids' college education. You'd be surprised how much it takes to buy pain medicine for a dog, especially after he's been hit by a car, and left in front of my house ... not to mention the times that someone else tried the "shoot em with the 22" and I had to get the bullets out, and provide a couple of days boarding at the vets ....
Back to those pregnant bitches that I "inherited" .... I was lucky that the Wal Mart was just a piece aways from the vet .... After I had all the puppies checked, dewormed, and given shots, my family and I could hang out around the store's entrance and beg people to take the cute lil fellars off our hands ... was pretty successful doing that (although kittens seem to go faster).
And, of course, Wal Mart let us do that, 'cause the local manager was use-ta me buying dog food in 50 pound bags ... use-ta come in two, three times a week.
Did I ever mention that I got kicked out of my garage when two bitches showed up, both preggers?
It was winter, and we had run out of human house, and dog house space ... and both were kinda skiddish to humans (can't understand why ... they had probably only gone a couple a weeks without a steady meal when we found them ...), so my ex bought a bunch of hay, and some boards, and some lamps for heat, and made me move all my stuff out ....
Twas eventually ok ... I got it back a couple of years later ... and I paid the hundreds ta get thar "feminine parts" ripped out ...
Of course, sometimes I had to make financial decisions about what I spent my money on .... shoes for my kids, or the vet bills, and dog food.
Sometimes thar jus' ain't no winning that battle.
But, of course, I'm a heartless, cruel, crowdly bastard who obviously should be arrested and sent to prison for life ... I once dropped a dog off!
Firm
I debated how to respond to you for a while. I do understand it's an emotional issue for you, but I suggest that perhaps you are a might tooooo emotionally involved in the issue.
And, if you still feel like I oughter be tared and feathered, I'm saving two more words fer ya .... I'ls let ya guess what they are.
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