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came4U -> How prepared are you? (2/22/2009 4:14:09 AM)

After all this economic downfall and the whirlwind of paranoia in stocks and housing...

How prepared are you...if everything went 'off' tomorrow, hydro electric, grocery store cash registers, bank machines etc? 

How long would your (if any) current food/water, lights/candles, petfoods, cooking source (propane or other), dried nuts/fruit, powdered milk and vitamines last? *this includes wipes an bleach to clean puddle water if necessary)

Bad memories (when my hood pipes froze solid and burst) of visions of the Quebec freeze hit me recently. 

Here, it is minor power outages, a few on/off situations (inconvenience mostly-resetting stupid clocks).  Maybe I am paranoid, but I realized that I am pretty well 'ok' to fairly prepared.

For years now, I have been stocking up (then revolving) stock of food, water and other.  All items have a shelf-life (depending on humidity sometimes, non-parishable items only) so you have to use it, give it away or toss it.  I avoid that, we usually eat it or I give it away at the 4 month point (6-9 months is a decay or possible bacteria buildup stage). 

I think we could make it approx. 8 months (1 year if eating only twice per/day). 

Do you prepare? 
Any tips for better use of storage timeframes? 
Any tips for summer outside storage if necessary? Winter outdoor storage is easy.
Any tips for organizing stuffs?

A lady neighbor I know shops for food day to day...(her eldest grown son otherwise eats everything in sight lol), I feel horrible for her if sh*t really hit the fan.    

Do you think you are prepared or will you worry about that when the time comes?




















came4U -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 5:18:52 PM)

1st official practice for keeping parishable foods cold but not frozen is not going well at all. 

Fridge is moved so that my new floor can dry (grout or somethin')

So...had to put food that needs to be cold outside in the snow (an hour at a time it stays pre-frozen) then the box is brought in, for a lil bit (stays pretty cold) then back out. Quite the pain in the ass. 

A lot of damn work.  Exhausting.  I used to have a camping fridge, it is locked up now in the RV on a lot that is chain sealed and farr far away.  It wouldn't be big enough anyhoo.

Won't bother neighbors to use her fridge (I have seen the inside of her fridge lol).  Can't move mine elsewhere either. Waitin on this man to come back to move it.

Anyhoo..not good at all.  Any suggestions on how to keep food cool but not frozen? Dig a hole? lol,  Even if I hung it from a tree it would freeze so it is obvious to me that it is impossible to store cold stuff effectively without a fridge unit. 

Not a lesson I wanted to learn but. uhh back to the snowpile.





slaveboyforyou -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 5:28:10 PM)

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How prepared are you...if everything went 'off' tomorrow, hydro electric


Why would hydro-electric power just suddenly go off?  I watched a recent documentary about what would happen if humans disappeared.  One of the few things that would remain running was Hoover Dam.  In fact, it would run for years and years without human operators. 

quote:

How long would your (if any) current food/water, lights/candles, petfoods, cooking source (propane or other), dried nuts/fruit, powdered milk and vitamines last? *this includes wipes an bleach to clean puddle water if necessary) 


Current food supplies run out?  I hunt and fish.
Cooking source?  Wood, plenty of it around here. 
Bleach?  Why would I need bleach?  Why would I have to resort to puddle water?  I live in area with a multitude of rivers and streams.  It rains here regularly.  You can boil water, you don't have to use bleach or iodine to sterlize it.  You can also filter it rather simply with charcoal. 

I'm not worried. 




stella41b -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 6:01:15 PM)

I don't believe that there will ever be a complete shutdown and have a lot of faith in human nature and the people around me. I have a partner who got through martial law in Poland.

We would make it through.




Crush -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 6:43:11 PM)

Living in Florida, we refresh our "hurricane" kit every year, with supplies for 3 weeks.   Includes water purification (tablets, bleach and UV purifier) food, propane, gas, generator, solar, etc. 

We also have a BOB...Bug Out Bag in case we have to get in the car and travel.   And gas cans for travel if necessary.   And friends with property we can head to, if necessary.  








hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 6:52:41 PM)

In this, I'm a lot like slaveboy.  While I have various things that I keep stocked and regularly change out, I also have a lot of otherwise useless skills that I've gained in 20+ years of being a medieval reenactor, survival buff, and avid hunter/fisher/camper.
 
It's easy to live off the land in this part of the US - plenty of good hunting, great fishing, a lot of clean lakes and streams, a long growing season, and it's the breadbasket of the US where practically anything grows.  Wheat, Corn, Oats, Barley, and Rye all grow in abundance around here, and vegitable gardens are plentiful and easy to maintain in this part of the nation as well for various root veggies, greens, herbs, and other such.  There's a lot of ranching around here, from cattle to buffalo to goats and sheep - and both goats and sheep are easy to keep.  (Not to mention providing wool which can be easily spun and woven without electricity, and died using natural dyes.) I have a couple of small looms, and have plans for building a large loom - I simply don't have the Space for it right now, with dad living with me.  I have a hand spinner, and a foot controled spinning wheel, and both a hand carder and cylinder carder for carding wool. I hand sew, and have an antique sewing machine (which still works) that is foot petal operated rather than electric motor driven.  I already brew my own mead, beer, and wines - and know a couple of people that have practice at setting up and running a still.  I make my own toiletries and cosmetics.  I regularly cook over an open flame with either charcoal or wood - and because of the medieval reenactment stuff, I have even learned (though don't regularly practice lol) how to turn wood into charcoal.  I throw pottery, and this area has a lot of good clay sources - a potter's wheel doesn't have to be electrically driven, and I actually prefer one that's foot pedal driven - much more precise control to me.  I know how to make my own paper - from original source wood, and via recyling paper already in existance.  I know how to boil my own ink, and how to mix natural pigment paint.  I have some practice at basic blacksmithing, and a lot of practice at bladesmithing.  (And in the case of "civilization meltdown" there would be a lot of scrap metal from cars and such to use for that purpose.)  I know how to ride a horse, how to saddle, and how to take care of my own tack - so I wouldn't lack for transportation, provided I could get my hands on a horse.  (Not hard to do in this part of the country, and there are a couple of public riding stables quite close to where I currently live.)  I'm not on any meds, and know several folk and herbal remedies for common ailments - though I do maintain a well stocked first aid kit in my camping equipment with things like bandages, splints, etc.  Windmills, gristmills for grinding grain (if not done by hand in a morter and pestle) and water driven mills are easy to set up and maintain without any need to supply them with electricity from another source - and given just a bit of basic tinkering, will provide a small electrical output to run other things.  (Fortunately, I have several friends in the medieval group who know how to build such, and how to rig them with/to an alternator to store the electricity.)  Heck, I wouldn't even have to give up hot showers - I have a 10 gal solar shower in my camping equipment, and an enclosure that it hangs in while it's in use rather than laying in the sun being heated.  My medieval camping gear includes camp furniture that is easily made like a rope bed and hand carved folding chairs
 
I'd say I'm probably better prepared than most to not only survive, but live comfortably, even if civilization as we know it came to a complete end.  Most of my closest friends are the same.  And what skills I don't have - they have - and vice versa - though most of us have picked up a lot of rather varied skill sets over the years from having hobbies within the hobby.  This is one of those "games" that we've played for years amongst ourselves - who would we gather together from the group, where would we meet, what supplies and skills would any particular person be able to contribute to mutual survival, and who would go crazy from lack of certain conveniences they've grown to depend on?




kittinSol -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 6:57:30 PM)

So, would you say survivalism is a line of interest for you?




came4U -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 6:58:59 PM)

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Why would hydro-electric power just suddenly go off? 


You don't recall the blackout that was in effect from NY to Chicago (and most of Ontario, Quebec etc) that lasted up to 3 days for some?  Here it jumps off at least once a week or so, for a few seconds.

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Why would I need bleach?  Why would I have to resort to puddle water?  I live in area with a multitude of rivers and streams. 
  You are lucky to have clean water closeby.  Very few do.  It would still need cleaning though.  The river in this town is too polluted to drink direct. Wood, nope, no wood close to me. grrr  Boiling water often would suck up a lot of propane too. 

Charcoal and boiling will not remove ecoli.  Iodine for some could work, me, I have an allergy.  1 tsp. of bleach per gallon of water would clean most water I would have access to. Rainwater is fine, but if it is stored for any time it has to be purified.

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We also have a BOB...Bug Out Bag in case we have to get in the car and travel.   And gas cans for travel if necessary.   And friends with property we can head to, if necessary.


I have heard of those, I don't drive so no gas necessary.  3 weeks of food n stuff, that is not bad at all. I cannot find the tablets though, practically impossible.  I would have to order them.  This is a heavy cyclone area, nothing really big hits but could. 

I would prefer to be ready for anything and not rely on a Red Cross soup line. 





DarkSteven -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:06:54 PM)

I live in Colorado.  Darn little water, not much game, and nothing grows unless it's watered.   I'd be toast.[:(]




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:09:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: came4U
How prepared are you...if everything went 'off' tomorrow, hydro electric, grocery store cash registers, bank machines etc?

Do you think you are prepared or will you worry about that when the time comes?


Entirely.




Vendaval -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:15:03 PM)

It is 50/50 for me and others in this area.  We have ag land, ranching and livestock and fresh water supplies.  On the other hand we have Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant and if something went seriously wrong there -   [sm=anger.gif]





SpinnerofTales -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:22:24 PM)

quote:

How prepared are you...if everything went 'off' tomorrow, hydro electric, grocery store cash registers, bank machines etc?
quote:

ORIGINAL: came4U

Let's get really wild with this....how prepared would you be if the dead rose from the grave as flesh eating zombies and began to feed on the living? Would you know enough to  get a weapon so you could destroy their brains (the only way of destroying them)? Would you be aware of the dangers of walking around clad only in skimpy bikini underwear? Would you avoid bathing in barbecue sauce?

Not that I think that this is a MORE likely option then sudden social armegeddon, but it's a lot more fun to think about.

And now I'm going to watch Night of the Living Dead again and make notes.





Vendaval -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:26:53 PM)

Zombies are pretty much useless.  You waste ammo on them and they scare off the local wildlife.  Plus they stink like well...rotting corpses!  [:'(]




GreedyTop -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:31:19 PM)

or werewolves... what about werewolves? and vampires?? 

to the OP:  I have bottled water (still having issues with the filter system from the well..grrrrrrrrrrrrr)  and loads of canned goods (stuff I buy when I'm hungry then later wonder WTF was I thinking).  The cats usually have more food in the house than I do.  No meds to worry about.  Got a smoker grill outdoors.. could probably use it with wood (dunno.. a former roomie left it, I've never used the thing).  Got a bicycle.

Hmm.. come to think of it, guess I'm not all too prepared!




Vendaval -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:32:56 PM)

The werewolves and vampires would be fighting each other for control of the available food supply, humans.




GreedyTop -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:34:28 PM)

yeah, but the werewolves could eat the zombies.. carrion, yanno... and vampires only come out at night! 




SpinnerofTales -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:38:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
yeah, but the werewolves could eat the zombies.. carrion, yanno... and vampires only come out at night! 


You see how unprepared some people are? Werewolves don't eat carrion...GHOULS eat carrion. And since Werewolves only transform under the full moon, they are no more seen in the daytime than vampires.

We have a lot of getting ready to do if we're going to survive this.





hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:39:07 PM)

Wolves (and Werewolves) Are NOT carrion eaters if they can avoid it.  *SNORTgrowl*

edited to add : Spinner, ya have a lot to learn about the Garou - they Can change other than under a full moon - it's simply Easier under a full moon.... and they aren't alergic to sunlight like the undead.




GreedyTop -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:39:51 PM)

Hmm... you're right..

see? I *am* woefully unprepared!

eta:  *runs and hides from Rhi*




coupleowl -> RE: How prepared are you? (2/23/2009 7:43:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

Wolves (and Werewolves) Are NOT carrion eaters if they can avoid it.  *SNORTgrowl*

edited to add : Spinner, ya have a lot to learn about the Garou - they Can change other than under a full moon - it's simply Easier under a full moon.... and they aren't alergic to sunlight like the undead.
They also have this thing about Grandfather wolf, and a very odd idea of the word Fetish. Anyone see that Black Spiral Dancer?

@ the topic: If there were a full melt down W/we'd be so screwed, and not in the good way.







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