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corysub -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 11:39:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Propaganda? Wishful thinking? How about delusional? Considering the actions and details of President Obama's plan, I'd compare it to announcing you are going on a diet and expect to lose 25 pounds while chomping down of the first bite of the 3 extra large Pizzas you just had delivered to your house with extra cheese, pepperoni, and a case of coke to wash it down. On the contrary...Obama is far from delusional! He is playing his game like Tiger Woods winning the Masters. Barack has trained all his life for this opportunity..and he only has four years to do it..to destroy the work ethic and reward of the freedom we enjoyed to prosper to the best of our ability...in favor of bringing up the masses of people who have not prospered. He is taking from the producers and giving to the..."non-producers" to be kind. The country was warned about this man prior to the elections..his lack of any work experience, but a life devoted to learning the "Rules for Radicals" and he has them down pat. he will kiss you on the cheek, pat your ass lovingly...and pick your pocket as you swoon! Obama calls for "bi-partisanship" and out of 535 votes cast for his sham of spending bill..so loaded with fat you could get a heart attack reading it...and is able to garner three (3) republican votes!..one from a liberal, senile, egotisical elitest from Pennsylvania...and two gals from Maine who probably have never been to the big city. Pelosi and Reid gave Obama what he wanted...and he gave them what they wanted...and all three of the fucked the country....and some out there just loved it! Any good salesman knows you "don't sell the steak..you sell the sizzle"...and this President is a master at photo ops...smooth talking, and promises that are taken out of mid-air...the most recent idiotic projection being that he will cut the budget deficit in half by when...2013..the first year of the new republican President. I guess he never heard of the Congressional Budget Office, and their view that the country would be better off withhout this plan. Ok..so now he does a midnight requistion and gets this pork laden bullshit passed..NOW he is calling together 100 of the smartest brains in the country...(maybe I'm overstating that number) AFTER he got what he wanted...he has increased the potential for our economy falling off a cliff and, in exchage, the country gets a "meeting". Why wasn't this meeting held prior to the "urgent" need to pass this rape of the public...that Barack took four days to sign...taking time off to take Michelle for a lovely dinner on Valentines Day....Ironic...a couple of days sooner and we would have been able to call it the third "Valentine Day massacre" in the countries history. (The second being when James Carter destroyed the overseas capability of the CIA in one evening of firings.) Frankly...the sound and fury of the liberal drones is getting boring..they write with deep passion and emotion and no facts to back up their claim. I would love to know from one of the citizens of the Obamanation what exactly do they think this god like invention of the media is doing with respect to energy, the economy, job creation, the security of our country...that we should all march in lock step behind this Dear Leader? I can't think of anything and would appreciate some help...Heck..even links to Daily Kos would be better than we are getting now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rahm Emanuel Agenda Notes: Obama Plan for America! 1, Windmills .. if anyone brings up drilling the vast untapped areas of the country..shut them up quickly. We have to protect the planet and Boone Pickens investment in windpower. 2. Harness tides... if that doesn't work maybe we can harness the horses again..hey, worked once.."go west young man" and all that stuff. People love horses. 4. biomass? Catholic of Episcopal? Is that a mass for guys who like guys? yea!! 5. Lets mandate an increase in ethanol in gasoline. So what if its too expensive to make. it will drive food price up again and put more fear into the hearts of the unwashed. ! 6. Bail out GM..a company with a market cap of $1 billion. with tens of billions in loans. Lets think about this one. Maybe just a short term bankruptcy so we can get our union guys in there and we can change all the cars over to electric. (Reminder: short Cummins Engine) 7. Lets cut a check, taking money we don't have, and give it to people who don't pay taxes. 8. Lets charge the neighbors of a guy who over-stepped and can't pay his mortgage, and have them all chip in to carry him, reducing the principle amount of his mortgage...and, hey, in ten years..maybe the guy can triple his net worth at his neighbors expense, and we have his vote for life. 9. Lets keep the prices of over-priced homes high with tax money so that hard working people looking to buy that first home don't see a fair price. 10.Lets put a tax on mileage that the unwashed drive every year.. (Ooops..to much flack.. put that one back in the file for later. 11.We can offset item 10, by putting a carbon tax on industry. That's a populist thing to do and people just hate the companies that put food on their tables. Easy one to do. 12. Lets make sure we gie at least $5 billion to community activist groups like ACORN in case we get some lip back from those fucking neocons. A little muscle never hurts. 13. Lets cap the salaries of the top executives in the financial community; the great unwashed loves that kinda stuff. . Fuck the bastards. Who said that.. Barney? Heck, we can run the banks our selves if push comes to shove...but tell Dodd to keep his mouth shut until it happens 14. Lets lay two years of funding on the States and force them to sign off that they will raise workers comp, even though many states are alread in the red on this one.. fuck them too! 15. Fund two years of expanded "Head Start" programs but than the States have to bear all future money costs of this program..If anyone complains just say.."sorry, WE WON" 16. Tell the Justice Department to Notes to Self Next meeting will have an agenda even more and larger ideas. The public is eating this shit up. . IMPORTANT NOTE TO SELF. Enlist the guy with the Austrian accent who is running California these days. He's up to his biceps in debt and will bend over and grab his knees any time we want. And Nancy would be so please. IMPORTANT: Don't forget the flowers for Nancy when she returns from her European Junk///// ooops trip! Damn..almost forgot. Barack wants to announce that he is going to cut the budget deficit by one-third. Suggest 50% by...oh... 2013...will get great headlines and who the fuck is gonna remember that during the depression.

rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 11:47:37 AM)
hahaha. Spending money we don't have is the problem I have. Point Blank. I don't care who did it or who didn't or what party is in power or whatever. I just fail to see how he plans on doing this. On a more jackassish note, If you are so smart about all these matters, why are you not fixing things? I will readily admit I can't figure this out beyond likening it to my checkbook, and I know that is very simplistic. So here is a real challenge. A real, non-partisan no bullshit fix to this mess. Pretend you are the damn president and fix things. Right the Good Ship America, and leave politics out of it. Send it to me, or post it here.

rulemylife -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 11:50:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Madness. It's madness. Hillary is in China, ignoring their horrible civil rights violations because it's more important she begs them to lend us more money. Come again? Hillary is begging the Chinese for money but (really really) there's a plan in the works to balance the budget? Yes if only they would follow the sterling example of the Bush administration which refused to to allow any trade or financial partnerships with China because of their horrible civil rights violations. Come again?

jlf1961 -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 11:57:55 AM)
Look at all the Monday morning quarter backs and coaches.... If anyone of em has a degree in economics...... Look, for the last eight years people making 6 digit incomes have had more tax breaks than they deserve. Tax breaks to encourage investments, which did nothing for investing, just look at where wall street is. Bush's economic policy was a revamp of Reaganomics, which really did a lot of good for people who made their money out of FINDING oil. It was so good for them that 80% of the drilling companies in Abilene went belly up. Reagan put a cap on 'old oil' meaning any well drilled in an existing field that produced oil had a price cap place on each barrel. Yep Reaganomics really worked.... Then comes Bush who gets in an UNJUSTIFIED war in Iraq, and every time one of his reasons was proven to be false, he came up with a new one.... that little war is costing the US tax payers billions each month, for what? All we are succeeding in doing is getting US troops killed for zero gain. (can we say VIETNAM PART II?) Tax breaks on six digit incomes? Bush did great with that one, of course, all of the bush crowd CAME FROM PEOPLE MAKING 6 AND 7 DIGIT INCOMES. And now you people want to blast Obama? He at least is trying to clean up a mess he inherited from Bush. Now instead of armchair quarter backing his plans, how bout shutting up and see if he can actually pull it off. God knows that no one else has come out and said "Tax the wealthy." But then the Republican ideas have always been, "Tax the lower and middle classes." And by the way, please remember that Bush is responsible for the frigging patriot acts, among other things that have been proven UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:01:41 PM)
and despite the recession in early 2001 we were on target as of late August of 2001 to have the second largest surplus in our nations history. Then the 9-11 attacks took place and the economy stopped and we went to war. quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If you remember, one of Bush's first acts in office was a 1.6 trillion dollar tax cut. Double the current stimulus package. Yet, the same people who applauded that are complaining of spending on the stimulus, even though they have the same net result to the national debt.

MrRodgers -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:05:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Well, Sanity, there isn't any question that getting the deficit under control is something that has to happen, and soon. The question is what methodology President Obama plans to use to make it happen. Any savings from Iraq are going to get poured into Afghanistan (and then some), and "streamlining" government isn't something I've seen any evidence of from him. That leaves tax increases presented with a lot of spin. We saw during the campaign what happens when it turns out he needs more money than he thought he would. He goes out and gets more money. (For the slow or forgetful, that is a reference to his broken pledge on how he would finance the campaign.) Fuckit. I have to go to work. Millions on welfare are depending on me. Well...yes. When the repubs don't even care to suffer the leveling of public financing, needing to sell their office in the plutocracy they still expect their opponents to fall on their sword and try to win without enough 'free speech' in the bank. This is one of the most glaring hypocrisies in the repub party of the last 40 years. Yes, go to work, wall street and the bankers are in fact depending on just that so they can fail, lose billions of other people's money while on the golf course and still...don't have to go get those real jobs.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:05:23 PM)
Actually George W bush in August of 2001, despite a recession in early 2001. We were on track to have the second largest surplus. Then we all know what occurred in 2001 and led to a war. But before the attacks we were on track for a surplus. quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales quote: lets see in a recession you are going to raise taxes in order to cut the deficit. Which economic theory is he following? You cant just tax you way out of debt. What areas are you going to cut back in spending? No, Shake...first you get the economy out of it's tailspin with an injection of much needed liquidity. Then, when the economy is stable again, you take out the liquidity. During this you figure out a way to turn a deficit into a surplus....now who was it who last had us with a government surplus? Reagan? no...that's not it....Bush the Elder.....nope, nope...he isn't who I'm thinking of. Bush the Younger....damn...he wasn't it either....oh yeah...I remember...it was Clinton...I suppose no one was reading the Wall Street Journal when they were so busy reading about his sex life in the Post.

rulemylife -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:09:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni hahaha. Spending money we don't have is the problem I have. Point Blank. I don't care who did it or who didn't or what party is in power or whatever. I just fail to see how he plans on doing this. On a more jackassish note, If you are so smart about all these matters, why are you not fixing things? I will readily admit I can't figure this out beyond likening it to my checkbook, and I know that is very simplistic. So here is a real challenge. A real, non-partisan no bullshit fix to this mess. Pretend you are the damn president and fix things. Right the Good Ship America, and leave politics out of it. Send it to me, or post it here. Well to give you a jackassish answer, why are you here bitching and moaning about something, by your own admission, you don't understand? Wouldn't the time be better spent educating yourself on the issue?

MasterShake69 -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:10:02 PM)
Remember its the Obama Pizza delivery service and everyone gets there share of the pizza. Heres whats left an empty box...theres some cheese on the top of the box that you can have ;) when you give something for nothing more people grab a slice then expected ;) quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Propaganda? Wishful thinking? How about delusional? Considering the actions and details of President Obama's plan, I'd compare it to announcing you are going on a diet and expect to lose 25 pounds while chomping down of the first bite of the 3 extra large Pizzas you just had delivered to your house with extra cheese, pepperoni, and a case of coke to wash it down. When does my pizza get here Merc?....

corysub -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:16:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni hahaha. Spending money we don't have is the problem I have. Point Blank. I don't care who did it or who didn't or what party is in power or whatever. I just fail to see how he plans on doing this. On a more jackassish note, If you are so smart about all these matters, why are you not fixing things? I will readily admit I can't figure this out beyond likening it to my checkbook, and I know that is very simplistic. So here is a real challenge. A real, non-partisan no bullshit fix to this mess. Pretend you are the damn president and fix things. Right the Good Ship America, and leave politics out of it. Send it to me, or post it here. What has made this country great...big government, political acumen, or business done in a free enterprise society. I happen to think business creates jobs..small, medium and big sized business...not big government that spends money to serve a constituency..but business people who invest and run a business for "profit". Enterprise creates "jobs"...government makes "work". I think it was John Maynard Keynes, a hero of the President, who said, "If you give a man bottles of dollars to bury in the sand, you have given him work". I think it probably would have been cheaper, and certainly "shovel ready" to do just that! As far as "stimulus"...the market is giving it's analysis.. it's bullshit, political pork. If you want "stimulus" there should be immediate tax cuts, accelerated depreciation allowances, government backing for credit for people who export goods, and an immediate cut in our corporate tax rates which are among the highest, if not the highest in the world! We should take a serious look at infrastructure spending. A vital and necessary use of money if well spent on bridges that need repair...sharing the cost with States that benefit...roads that need to be fixed..sharing the costs with municipalities, with federal fund paying 90% of the cost of new bridges and new roads that would help interstate commerce and not just lead to some major land holdings of a friend of a pol. People need to be retrained, particularly in the auto industry, for example, and I would really favor schools to help people learn new trades or utilize present skills to learn new trades that might actually offer jobs in new alternative energy sources, for example. These schools should not be cherry picked friends who get government contracts..but schools that meet a "stress test" of a commitee of business, union and education experts". To many times over the years have I heard heart rendering stories of people, mostly minorities, who got federal; tuition funds to learn to be a "computer expert in six weeks"...and it was only a sham. That bullshit can't be allowed. The Justice Department, FBI and State enforcement agencies should be tied in together in a task force of accountants, police and attorneys ready to investigate any report of wrongdoing on a contract to build a bridge to a contract to teach someone one a skill...and the penalties should be severe. Maybe even use Gitmo after its emptied. A finders fee of 10% of the total value of the contract found to be fraud should be awarded to anyone who discovers stealing from the taxpayer. That's just for starters.. I think can come up with more ideas..but I'm working and trying to keep my own head above water since I don't qualify for any help from this administration. Any comments from you would also be appreciated...forget about left or right...just Americans trying to survive and not get blown up by events.

rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:21:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni hahaha. Spending money we don't have is the problem I have. Point Blank. I don't care who did it or who didn't or what party is in power or whatever. I just fail to see how he plans on doing this. On a more jackassish note, If you are so smart about all these matters, why are you not fixing things? I will readily admit I can't figure this out beyond likening it to my checkbook, and I know that is very simplistic. So here is a real challenge. A real, non-partisan no bullshit fix to this mess. Pretend you are the damn president and fix things. Right the Good Ship America, and leave politics out of it. Send it to me, or post it here. Well to give you a jackassish answer, why are you here bitching and moaning about something, by your own admission, you don't understand? Wouldn't the time be better spent educating yourself on the issue? Then fucking explain it. In one paragraph professor. And aren't you bitching and moaning about pretty much everything too? J

rulemylife -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:27:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterShake69 and despite the recession in early 2001 we were on target as of late August of 2001 to have the second largest surplus in our nations history. Then the 9-11 attacks took place and the economy stopped and we went to war. Oh come on now! That surplus was a carryover from the Clinton budget. The same surpluses that we had in 1999 and 2000. The surplus Bush decided to use for tax cuts for his wealthy supporters instead of for more practical purposes. You know the surpluses you were just telling me the other day didn't exist?

MrRodgers -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 12:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Look at all the Monday morning quarter backs and coaches.... If anyone of em has a degree in economics...... Look, for the last eight years people making 6 digit incomes have had more tax breaks than they deserve. Tax breaks to encourage investments, which did nothing for investing, just look at where wall street is. Bush's economic policy was a revamp of Reaganomics, which really did a lot of good for people who made their money out of FINDING oil. It was so good for them that 80% of the drilling companies in Abilene went belly up. Reagan put a cap on 'old oil' meaning any well drilled in an existing field that produced oil had a price cap place on each barrel. Yep Reaganomics really worked.... Then comes Bush who gets in an UNJUSTIFIED war in Iraq, and every time one of his reasons was proven to be false, he came up with a new one.... that little war is costing the US tax payers billions each month, for what? All we are succeeding in doing is getting US troops killed for zero gain. (can we say VIETNAM PART II?) Tax breaks on six digit incomes? Bush did great with that one, of course, all of the bush crowd CAME FROM PEOPLE MAKING 6 AND 7 DIGIT INCOMES. And now you people want to blast Obama? He at least is trying to clean up a mess he inherited from Bush. Now instead of armchair quarter backing his plans, how bout shutting up and see if he can actually pull it off. God knows that no one else has come out and said "Tax the wealthy." But then the Republican ideas have always been, "Tax the lower and middle classes." And by the way, please remember that Bush is responsible for the frigging patriot acts, among other things that have been proven UNCONSTITUTIONAL. All the repub right has is their rant over the fact they lost. There is no sense to all of this when one compares the track records of each side. Some of my best friends are repubs none of which have been indicted...yet. With this new ball player in the white house you will see nothing but love from wall street where it counts because after all...he's playing ball. Oh, except for the nationalization of banks which would be fine if he would just let them keep whatever profits OUR money would make. One would think the right as seen in the repub party what with all of this socialism of the investor class, would be happy but that's not enough. They are already running for the white house in 2012 still using the vacousness of their so-called fiscal ideaology and civil admonitions. You'd think they'd learn but actually I am happy. The vast majority of the public will no longer buy their bullshit and now that wall street capitalist having lost their socialist cherry...it will become common knowledge that they may have lost their benefactors...and may never win the white house again.

corysub -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 1:25:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Look at all the Monday morning quarter backs and coaches.... If anyone of em has a degree in economics...... Look, for the last eight years people making 6 digit incomes have had more tax breaks than they deserve. Tax breaks to encourage investments, which did nothing for investing, just look at where wall street is. Bush's economic policy was a revamp of Reaganomics, which really did a lot of good for people who made their money out of FINDING oil. It was so good for them that 80% of the drilling companies in Abilene went belly up. Reagan put a cap on 'old oil' meaning any well drilled in an existing field that produced oil had a price cap place on each barrel. Yep Reaganomics really worked.... Then comes Bush who gets in an UNJUSTIFIED war in Iraq, and every time one of his reasons was proven to be false, he came up with a new one.... that little war is costing the US tax payers billions each month, for what? All we are succeeding in doing is getting US troops killed for zero gain. (can we say VIETNAM PART II?) Tax breaks on six digit incomes? Bush did great with that one, of course, all of the bush crowd CAME FROM PEOPLE MAKING 6 AND 7 DIGIT INCOMES. And now you people want to blast Obama? He at least is trying to clean up a mess he inherited from Bush. Now instead of armchair quarter backing his plans, how bout shutting up and see if he can actually pull it off. God knows that no one else has come out and said "Tax the wealthy." But then the Republican ideas have always been, "Tax the lower and middle classes." And by the way, please remember that Bush is responsible for the frigging patriot acts, among other things that have been proven UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Gosh...when I feel like you I take an Ambian and it really helps ... a lot! I kinda thought this was a thread about Obama plans to slash the deficit in half..etc etc.. and all I see is the same old drone comments about the six figure income guys got all the tax breaks...an UNJUSTIFIED (your caps not mine) war in Iraq..same old, same old,..please come up with something new..and where is Murtha hiding these days btw, You hardly missed one of the Huffington Posts slams against Bush, including the ever popular..criminal Patriot Act!...and if Bush only was a replay of Reganomics.."your lips to Gods ears"..but that too late now...Bush fucked up..the republican party fucked up...and now, to make it right...we have the democrat party fucking up, and a President who is so far over his head he can't seem to stay in the White House more than two days at a time. We have a "presidency of "Photo Opportunities".. And on top of all this other nonsense spouted from the rooftop, it seems to me, you want people who disagree with Barack to "shut up"...tell me..you can't be that thin skinned in real life ..are you? that words of text drive you to irrational hyperbola and threats against another guy chatting here? Or are you unable to hold a discussion and kick around ideas and see if we can learn from one another. The ultra radical liberals would not shut up for 8 years attacking Bush 24/7, right down to some guy rehashing 9/11 here and the fact that Bush kept calm and finished his story with six year old kids!! These brutal personal attacks, including saying the war in Iraq was lost two years ago with our warriors in the field fighting for our country...fuck the soldiers in the field "the war is lost", said Harry Reid, and the House led by that idiot Pelosi voted to leave Iraq in 2008! Really great for morale.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18227928/ I attack the idiocy of Barack's Stimulus..pardon me, Pelosi's stimulus, but never him personally. I'm sure he is a nice guy and obviously a loving dad. Sorry..but I'm not going to SHUT UP, nor am I going to attack you personally as you did here..only idiotic ideas...and if you can't think of anything to say that makes sense just ignore my comments and finish your tofu. As far as having a degree in economics, you have no clue not only about the real world but also my background. Please elaborate on the "monday morning quarterbacks" comments and where you might disagree, should you have something to say. As a well-known economist said..."Consider the "widows curse" theory named after an old wives tale. You might think that raising wages would reduce the demand for labor, but some early Keynsians argued that redisstributing income from profits to labor would raise consumption demand, because workers save less than capitalists. (actually they don't, but that's another story), and therefore increase output and employment. Such pardoxes are still fun to contemplate, they still appear in freshman economics textbooks." P. Krugman..The Accidental Theorist ..... one of your hero's? Do you think he would be a "Nobel" prize winning economist if he wasn't attacking Bush over the past eight years. The man hasn't been right yet!.. but, hey, I'm just Monday morning quarterbacking a Nobel Laureate! What the fuck do I know?

rulemylife -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 2:21:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Frankly...the sound and fury of the liberal drones is getting boring..they write with deep passion and emotion and no facts to back up their claim. I would love to know from one of the citizens of the Obamanation what exactly do they think this god like invention of the media is doing with respect to energy, the economy, job creation, the security of our country...that we should all march in lock step behind this Dear Leader? I can't think of anything and would appreciate some help...Heck..even links to Daily Kos would be better than we are getting now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of your favorite phrase of "sound and fury", can you point out to me just one well-reasoned fact in the post where you've wasted half a page complaining that liberals don't post facts. Of course, when someone does post facts to dispute your allegations then you complain liberals are just posting links without being able to think on their own. It's really become ridiculous. Then you ask for examples of what he is trying to do, which you have been given time and again. Only to ignore them and continue on with your rants that that there is no evidence Obama is doing anything and what little he is doing is wrong.

slaveboy291 -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 5:49:06 PM)
The only drones who are whinning are people like you corysub, coldwarrior, sanity and the rest. Your the drones, your the whinners. And no matter how you spin it or try to pass blame to Obama, it doesen't change this one little fact. Bush ran up the trillion dollar deficit. And your criticising Obama for wanting to reduce is an act of desperation from a group of very sore losers. That's all it is.

corysub -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 6:15:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Frankly...the sound and fury of the liberal drones is getting boring..they write with deep passion and emotion and no facts to back up their claim. I would love to know from one of the citizens of the Obamanation what exactly do they think this god like invention of the media is doing with respect to energy, the economy, job creation, the security of our country...that we should all march in lock step behind this Dear Leader? I can't think of anything and would appreciate some help...Heck..even links to Daily Kos would be better than we are getting now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of your favorite phrase of "sound and fury", can you point out to me just one well-reasoned fact in the post where you've wasted half a page complaining that liberals don't post facts. Of course, when someone does post facts to dispute your allegations then you complain liberals are just posting links without being able to think on their own. It's really become ridiculous. Then you ask for examples of what he is trying to do, which you have been given time and again. Only to ignore them and continue on with your rants that that there is no evidence Obama is doing anything and what little he is doing is wrong. QUOTE : Yep Reaganomics really worked.... Ronald Reagan biggest gift to America was that he restored the confidence of Americans in themselves and their country. I don't know what you were doing during the Carter years, but Reagan changed the environement totally for the better and interest rates came down from the sky high 20% plus levels during Carter. The country was turned around, the military was strengthened, and people respected the country. By the end of his eight years Reagan, Thatcher and the Pope presided over the biggest peaceful end of an empire, the Soviet Empire, the world had ever seen. QUOTE: Tax breaks on six digit incomes? Bush did great with that one, of course, all of the bush crowd CAME FROM PEOPLE MAKING 6 AND 7 DIGIT INCOMES. Lets see...Hillary Clinton 2007 earnings between her and Bill $20,000,000 Geithner....earned over $400,000 as head of the NY Fed..plus got a multi six figure severance... Panetta... earned over $1,000,000 in 2008 Daschle... earned over $5,000,000..not counting the $100,000 he owes to the IRS for back taxes that cost him cabinet post You get the picture...very few "Joe the Plumber" become part of a Presidents cabinet. I don't think I have to post a critique of any more of the silly postings here...I've done that individually. Be my guest...enjoy

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 11:07:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterShake69 and despite the recession in early 2001 we were on target as of late August of 2001 to have the second largest surplus in our nations history. Then the 9-11 attacks took place and the economy stopped and we went to war. quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife If you remember, one of Bush's first acts in office was a 1.6 trillion dollar tax cut. Double the current stimulus package. Yet, the same people who applauded that are complaining of spending on the stimulus, even though they have the same net result to the national debt. I hate to tell you but tax cuts increase government tax revenue, within a year anyway, (as long as total federal, state, local tax is above 15%). That reduces deficits, it doesn't increase them. It did so during Bush's tax cuts, Reagan's tax cuts, and JFK's tax cuts and every other time it's been tried. Tax increases reduce government tax revenue immediately and increase deficits. As far as Obama cutting the deficit in half, that would happen automatically any year congress doesn't pass a "stimulus" boondoggle. DUH. In the last 4 months or so we've had about 1.4 to 1.7 trillion dollars spending that has done the economy zero good (by design). Now it's going to be backed up by increased taxes. It's not a plan to help the economy, it's a plan to bury it. The economy isn't bad enough yet for the government to take over the banking system, the health system, the automobile industy, the oil industry, and all major communication outlets without public opinion being an issue. Gotta love this kind of change. It's amazing...all those cubans floating across the ocean to florida in inner tubes, rowboats, or a brace of inflated condoms when they had the exact utopia this country is headed for right there in their own country. Gotta wonder why there aren't a bunch of Americans floating in the opposite direction.

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 11:11:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboy291 The only drones who are whinning are people like you corysub, coldwarrior, sanity and the rest. Your the drones, your the whinners. And no matter how you spin it or try to pass blame to Obama, it doesen't change this one little fact. Bush ran up the trillion dollar deficit. And your criticising Obama for wanting to reduce is an act of desperation from a group of very sore losers. That's all it is. Yes, and Obama and the marxist crew in congress did what bush "did" in 3 weeks instead of 8 years. Do you people actually think for even a second about what you spew ? Or are you so tied up that people better than you make more than you that you're incapable of doing anything but re-emitting the very propaganda that is designed to turn you into a slave. Pathetic.

MasterShake69 -> RE: Official: Obama plans to slash deficit in half (2/23/2009 11:14:36 PM)
The economy pulled out of the 2nd quarter recession. As of August 2001 the US was on target for 130-140 billion surplus. which would have been the second highest in our nations history. quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Oh come on now! That surplus was a carryover from the Clinton budget. The same surpluses that we had in 1999 and 2000. The surplus Bush decided to use for tax cuts for his wealthy supporters instead of for more practical purposes. You know the surpluses you were just telling me the other day didn't exist?

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