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rednicky -> Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:13:13 AM)
I mean, seriously, does anyone have a better idea how to right the economy?

Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:18:20 AM)
OK you start, send a check to uncle sam . do your taxes then add 20 -30 % more to GIVE to people that didnt work .

rednicky -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:19:30 AM)
I didn't ask what was wrong with paying higher taxes. I asked if you had a better idea.

Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:28:29 AM)
I have posted my idea on here time n time again , cut fica by 50 -75 % cut the cap gain tax. and cut spending. I saw last night that obama wasnt to spend $ 900,000,000.00 on rebuilding Gaza. WHAT THE FUCK FOR ! He has put us in debt another 2 trillion, now he wants another 86 billion for housing, and close to another billion for rebuilding Gaza. he is insane, Sorry didnt mean to hijack the thread there.

rednicky -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:30:44 AM)
lol it's barely gotten started.

BoiJen -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:43:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 OK you start, send a check to uncle sam . do your taxes then add 20 -30 % more to GIVE to people that didnt work . I LOVE that there's an issue with people who are on unemployment right now. Never mind that unemployment doesn't actually cover the bills, never mind that the unemployed would rather be working, never mind that they have to pay their taxes too and have been for years. Nope...none of that matters. They're all bums soaking up our tax money. Screw that to create the jobs that are being lost, there needs to be something done so that businesses can hire.... Then again...most of the people bitching about all of this are either retired or working (and most likely don't face a possibility of unemployment). They have no real sense of what it is that the unemployed who are struggling and looking for work are going through. McDonald's isn't always hiring. Trust those who have been turned away because the jobs are just filled EVERYWHERE.

VampiresLair -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:48:14 AM)
I have nothing against unemployment for those people who are actively looking for a full time job. I do have a problem with people who get unemployment and prefer not to have full time work, and will only accept part time work. They will turn down jobs that are full time, and if you are willing to turn down a job for the hours and not the skillset you should not be getting unemployment. AS for raising taxes, many of us are having a hard enough time in this economy making it by as is, higher taxes and I know I would be sunk completely. So, making those of us who do have jobs suffer more taxes to help the economy means we will ave less money of our own to put back into that economy. That doesnt fix it, it just redirects the problem. An economy will not get better when no one has the money to buy and when they dont have the confidence to do it when they do have the money.

rednicky -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:49:51 AM)
See that's how feel. The people who seem to be against higher taxes are people who are wealthy or well off. But isn't there any concern in righting the economy?

Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:50:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 OK you start, send a check to uncle sam . do your taxes then add 20 -30 % more to GIVE to people that didnt work . I LOVE that there's an issue with people who are on unemployment right now. Never mind that unemployment doesn't actually cover the bills, never mind that the unemployed would rather be working, never mind that they have to pay their taxes too and have been for years. Nope...none of that matters. They're all bums soaking up our tax money. Screw that to create the jobs that are being lost, there needs to be something done so that businesses can hire.... Then again...most of the people bitching about all of this are either retired or working (and most likely don't face a possibility of unemployment). They have no real sense of what it is that the unemployed who are struggling and looking for work are going through. McDonald's isn't always hiring. Trust those who have been turned away because the jobs are just filled EVERYWHERE. mcdonalds is a great job for a teenager. but if that is how you plan to support yourself, then you have failed yourself. Are things tough Yes, dont think/beleive that you are the first ever to have hard times befall you. you get bumps scraps and scars from life, if you think that it is supposed to be a ride on a pillow. guess again.

xBullx -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:55:15 AM)
Are you shitting me? How the hell do you think paying taxes is going to right the private sectors economy. Paying taxes takes the money out of the hands of the local economies and puts it into the incompetent hands of those that have almost no intellect in the varied industrial scopes across the States and Nation. Hell these men (gender neutral) aren't just incompetent they're nearly all on the take in one fashion or another. Fred Grandy (Gopher, from the Love Boat) was the last man I deemed to maintain a sense of honorable integrity in the old crooks home we call Capitol Hill. He exposed the inability by most of our, oh so accomplished leaders to manage their own check books. This sure embarrassed and annoyed many of them; hell the bunch of them ran poor ole Fred clean out of politics. The economy isn't generated by the government, it may be regulated for safety or fair play by them, but to have a government that owns or controls an economy is a path paved with fool's gold all the way to Doomsville. This isn't an opinion, it's a demonstrated fact. Taxes serve a purpose, they provide funding for our common defense, I certainly believe that is important. The Government is integral in the construct and maintenance of infrastructure, not to mention the oversight of civil order and other social harmonious programs. But to imply that taxation can define or project economy demonstrates educational inadequacy.

rednicky -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:55:23 AM)
but it's not the lack of money per say (although it is an element). A lot of people may struggle but for a common good. taxes will help in government funding thus, the renewing of jobs and the economy will right itself in time. I dont see how you think it wont Vampireslair.

BoiJen -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:57:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VampiresLair I have nothing against unemployment for those people who are actively looking for a full time job. I do have a problem with people who get unemployment and prefer not to have full time work, and will only accept part time work. They will turn down jobs that are full time, and if you are willing to turn down a job for the hours and not the skillset you should not be getting unemployment. AS for raising taxes, many of us are having a hard enough time in this economy making it by as is, higher taxes and I know I would be sunk completely. So, making those of us who do have jobs suffer more taxes to help the economy means we will ave less money of our own to put back into that economy. That doesnt fix it, it just redirects the problem. An economy will not get better when no one has the money to buy and when they dont have the confidence to do it when they do have the money. A majority of unemployment programs require resume registration on a job bank and/or reporting for job application every time they certify for a benefit payment. Not all...just most. Are there ways around it? Yes. Do most people who are on unemployment today look for those ways? No. Because they still have bills that are unpaid at the end of the month no matter what. That's been my experience talking to people at least. And there's a reason that it's a felony to lie to gain unemployment benefits. It's called felony fraud. What about raising taxes on people who are enjoying say...4 times above the average standard of living in their area? If they make more, shouldn't they pay more? Isn't that what's been the problem with the Bush "tax cuts" entirely? That the rich keep getting rich and poor keep getting poorer and more people are loosing their jobs and retirement investments because some jack ass wants to pad his pockets all in the name of capitalism (gone wrong). If I made a million dollars a year, I'd expect to pay at least a third of my salary in taxes to the Fed...much less my state tax. right now I don't make a million a year. I'm a student. And when I do make a million a year, you better bet if I'm not paying it in taxes, I'm paying to charities.

rednicky -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:58:21 AM)
lol you keep telling me what is wrong with higher taxes. xbullx. Tell me a BETTER plan since making taxes higher seems to not be good enough for so many.

BoiJen -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 8:59:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 mcdonalds is a great job for a teenager. but if that is how you plan to support yourself, then you have failed yourself. Are things tough Yes, dont think/beleive that you are the first ever to have hard times befall you. you get bumps scraps and scars from life, if you think that it is supposed to be a ride on a pillow. guess again. Nothing about unemployment is a "pillow ride" people pay into the unemployment system for years. And what I was saying about McDonald's is that many many people have been turned down for jobs that they have trained for their entire careers because the jobs just aren't there...so they resort to any kind of work available...expect work isn't readily available. Have you tried looking for a job lately?

xBullx -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 9:08:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rednicky See that's how feel. The people who seem to be against higher taxes are people who are wealthy or well off. But isn't there any concern in righting the economy? Stop looking for a hand out. That's all the Government has ever show itself capable of delivering. Handouts for votes. In fact our Government has made big money by promoting social discord. In their attempt to isolate groups or classes from one another they have promoted contempt. You say that the wealthy are happy as it is. Well while they might be more comfortable at the moment I doubt their happy. Everyone should be against higher taxes when the money is spent poorly. The problem with the economy isn't the social classes or the Government. It's the lack of community pride. When I was a kid the business owner held a kinship with his employees, they took care of each other, for the most part each stood happy as the man he was. The fact is that if the taxes are high and the Government dictates who is the boss it will never be you, the one complaining. The US is set up for the motivated to have a chance. If a man is worth his salt a chance is all he needs and all he would ask for. Watch your greed factor and take care of your own people as opposed to leaving them to social programs and your company will be prosperous. It always seems to go back to the master and slave morality. Are you making your own way or waiting to be taken care of.

rednicky -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 9:12:10 AM)
again, you are complaining about what is 'wrong' with higher taxes. I am asking for an alternative plan.

MrRodgers -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 9:13:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 OK you start, send a check to uncle sam . do your taxes then add 20 -30 % more to GIVE to people that didnt work . No, no, you can't give that money to some people that have families that want to work and can't find it...Coldwarrior knows it's for the people on wall street...that don't work and in fact. ..never do any REAL work. It has become obvious hasn't it...those great captains [sic] of industry the paper trading industry if it is an actual industry at all are much more deserving of our welfare dollars. How else would they stay in their yachts and in their golf/country clubs ? We just can't let that happen. Those families as we know are the real chislers. Imagine expecting maybe $800-$900 a month to help them and their kids SURVIVE when it is much more important to keep those bloodsucking losers on wall street running around in their limos where all there is, is lunch and OTHERS have jobs...well hopefully they still have jobs so they can continue to 'fund' wall street and the AIG's of the world. This is truly a great country when we can depend on the 'Coldwarriors' of the world to bust ass, run a business or work a nice job and send up to 35%+ to Wash., and keep those great speculators on the dole so they can pocket their bonuses and pay 15% tax on their great capital gains...whatever that it.

MistresseLotus -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 9:14:45 AM)
Cold warrior.. when I read your posts I have to wonder.. are you financially independent? Are you healthy enough to work? Has life been so kind to you to not levy on you any kind of misfortune? Or are you one who has worked the Bush system to the max and are now pissed because those venues are being watched carefully and the portals of the good-old boys club is under scrutiny? God forbid you might need assistance someday.

corysub -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 9:16:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rednicky I didn't ask what was wrong with paying higher taxes. I asked if you had a better idea. The common sense premise that you start with is that politicians will do what is right...and that, unfortunately, is not the case. Everyone is downsizing, laying off people, not hiring as people leave or retire, except the U.S. Government. That payroll continues to grow and, I believe, is the only segment of the "economy" that is showing any meaningful employment growth other than healthcare. Over 20 years ago President Reagan commissioned Peter Grace, a well known businessman at the time, to form a group to study the government and where cuts might be made. The report came back that government waste probably accounted for 1/3 of the total. I've posted on this in other threads...but after the report came out it died in the cubicles of the bureacracy, Congress had no desire to cut jobs or spending, the source of "power". Power is the core of a politicans heart, and you only truly have power if you control money...and lots of money = lots of power. And when you can write checks for "trillions of dollars"..you have absolute power! All these pompous asses in the House or Representatives calling for a "stress test" on banks should have to go through a "stress test" on their legislation...real transparency, and not the BS we are getting these days. Congress passed a so called "Stimulus Bill"..really the democrat party did since only 3 of 535 members were republican who voted for it, that is a sham, and the fact that still in polls on the streets 50% or so that approve of this spending bill is truly an indictment of the educational system in America. We could save hundreds of billions of dollars by just cutting out the waste in government, before we build new bridges named after the leech that pushed it in the bill. Old D.C. Joke: A fellow walks into one of the giant government offices filled with hundreds of cubicles and is amazed at the number of people there. He asks the receptionist how many people worked in that office. She gave her standard reply..50%! http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm

MrRodgers -> RE: Why are people in America against raising taxes? (2/24/2009 9:22:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Coldwarrior57 I have posted my idea on here time n time again , cut fica by 50 -75 % cut the cap gain tax. and cut spending. I saw last night that obama wasnt to spend $ 900,000,000.00 on rebuilding Gaza. WHAT THE FUCK FOR ! He has put us in debt another 2 trillion, now he wants another 86 billion for housing, and close to another billion for rebuilding Gaza. he is insane, Sorry didnt mean to hijack the thread there. Again, not even a nice try.The repubs put is here and Obama has INHERITED the largest debt and deficits in our history and by a long shot. But they have you right where they want you...blaming the new guy so in 2012 for which they are already running, they can argue they have a fix ? BTW cutting the capital gains tax does nothing for the economy or jobs unless it is on NEW START-UPs, and there are NEW hires. All that would do on existing paper or companies in business already, doing an IPO...is to make investors richer, nothing more. Also BTW, with the money (welfare) we have already thrown at the bloodsucking, socialist losers on wall street, we could have turned Palestine and Lebanon both back into the Paris of the middle-east.

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