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KittenWithaTwist -> Faith (1/20/2006 4:34:12 AM)

In BDSM, do you consider yourself one of the faithful or one of the skeptics?

That is, do you come from the mindset that you are what you are because that's what you are? Or, do you search for the whys of what you are, what others are, and how they came to be?

Have you ever noticed that many many BDSM fundamental discussions boil down to the concepts of faith and skepticism?



sub4hire -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 4:56:54 AM)

I know who I am. My dom knows who I am. So I have little need to search. Yet I do strive for education on a daily basis.
I think those who search are merely unsure of themselves...and desperately trying to find a place to fit in. Even if they already do fit in and just can't see it.



mistoferin -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 4:59:50 AM)

In those famous words....I am what I am and that's all I am.



IrishMist -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 5:03:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

In BDSM, do you consider yourself one of the faithful or one of the skeptics?

That is, do you come from the mindset that you are what you are because that's what you are? Or, do you search for the whys of what you are, what others are, and how they came to be?

Have you ever noticed that many many BDSM fundamental discussions boil down to the concepts of faith and skepticism?


In the beginning I struggled with it, but not anymore. I just accept myself for who and what I am.



KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 5:57:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

I know who I am. My dom knows who I am. So I have little need to search. Yet I do strive for education on a daily basis.
I think those who search are merely unsure of themselves...and desperately trying to find a place to fit in. Even if they already do fit in and just can't see it.



I disagree. After all, a scientist may spend his life searching for the answer to a question. We would never know the answers to so many of life's questions without skepticism. Why does the world turn? Why do we have days and nights? How do we cure diseases? What makes a computer work?

I don't think asking these questions makes a scientist, engineer, inventor, or skeptic unsure of him or herself.

However, I do think it is a plus to be skeptical of the world. If we simply took everything at face value (it is what it is because that's what it is), we would rarely learn anything of use.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 6:27:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist
In BDSM, do you consider yourself one of the faithful or one of the skeptics?

Yes.
quote:


That is, do you come from the mindset that you are what you are because that's what you are? Or, do you search for the whys of what you are, what others are, and how they came to be?

Yes.
quote:


Have you ever noticed that many many BDSM fundamental discussions boil down to the concepts of faith and skepticism?

Yes.



KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 6:32:53 AM)

*smirk*



FangsNfeet -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 6:33:49 AM)

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I disagree. After all, a scientist may spend his life searching for the answer to a question. We would never know the answers to so many of life's questions without skepticism. Why does the world turn? Why do we have days and nights? How do we cure diseases? What makes a computer work?

I don't think asking these questions makes a scientist, engineer, inventor, or skeptic unsure of him or herself.

However, I do think it is a plus to be skeptical of the world. If we simply took everything at face value (it is what it is because that's what it is), we would rarely learn anything of use.



I think Sub4Hire was refering to her being in the life style.

So what's there to be skeptic about BDSM? As we grow, we experience and find what turns us on. What's that saying "Don't knock it unless you tried it twice."

You're mixing to many things with how people live there life. Science, religion, beliefs, and theory or our ideas of looking for answers for our existence and possibly purpose in life. I don't see to many people asking "What made me kinky?"

So again, what does faith and ones skepticism have to do with BDSM? For me, BDSM is not a religion, just a perfered lifestyle to bring more order into my relationship. I'm not skeptic about that at all and I see no reason to have faith in it. I know it works for me.



KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 6:40:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

quote:

I disagree. After all, a scientist may spend his life searching for the answer to a question. We would never know the answers to so many of life's questions without skepticism. Why does the world turn? Why do we have days and nights? How do we cure diseases? What makes a computer work?

I don't think asking these questions makes a scientist, engineer, inventor, or skeptic unsure of him or herself.

However, I do think it is a plus to be skeptical of the world. If we simply took everything at face value (it is what it is because that's what it is), we would rarely learn anything of use.



I think Sub4Hire was refering to her being in the life style.

So what's there to be skeptic about BDSM? As we grow, we experience and find what turns us on. What's that saying "Don't knock it unless you tried it twice."

You're mixing to many things with how people live there life. Science, religion, beliefs, and theory or our ideas of looking for answers for our existence and possibly purpose in life. I don't see to many people asking "What made me kinky?"

So again, what does faith and ones skepticism have to do with BDSM? For me, BDSM is not a religion, just a perfered lifestyle to bring more order into my relationship. I'm not skeptic about that at all and I see no reason to have faith in it. I know it works for me.


Actually, I directly connect my beliefs in religion and spirtuality, my search for truth in science and philosophy, and my theories about life with my search for answers within WIITWD. After all, why should they be separated? They all make up aspects of my persona.

I often ask what makes me kinky. What leads me to enjoy submission and dominance? Why do I desire humiliation and objectification when many others do not? Why do I work the way I work? Why am I turned on by things others find uninteresting or repulsive?

To me, being kinky or being BDSM or enjoying WIITWD is not the same as being physically attracted to a person, because what I enjoy about WIITID (I, not we) is more about the mental process than the physical.



Chaingang -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 6:50:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
In those famous words....I am what I am and that's all I am.


Isn't it actually: "I yam what I yam and that's all I yam" - Popeye's answer to René Descartes?



mistoferin -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 6:53:23 AM)

I stand corrected...lol.



OscarHargraves -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 6:58:03 AM)

I've never had the problem. I am me and enjoy being me so I don't get wrapped around the axle about who 'me' is.



KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 7:17:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

I've never had the problem. I am me and enjoy being me so I don't get wrapped around the axle about who 'me' is.


I'm not sure why you consider skepticism a problem. I'm also not sure why you consider questioning one's self to be unenjoyable.

Oh well.

I figure both faith and skepticism are equally enjoyable to those who practice them.



candystripper -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 7:31:25 AM)

When i found D/s in jan '04 i knew instantly i was a submissive...but i really knew very little about BDSM; especially about the range of orientations and fetishes. i knew nothing about the play aspects of BDSM.

All those things are susceptible to learning, and i know much more now than when i first arrived, and suppose i will always learn....especially what my One desires. But nothing changes my submissive nature.

candystripper



truesub4u -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 8:08:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

When i found D/s in jan '04 i knew instantly i was a submissive...but i really knew very little about BDSM; especially about the range of orientations and fetishes. i knew nothing about the play aspects of BDSM.

All those things are susceptible to learning, and i know much more now than when i first arrived, and suppose i will always learn....especially what my One desires. But nothing changes my submissive nature.

candystripper



I'll go along with Candy on this one. When I first discovered my love for being controled in the bed. I didn't know it went further than kink. Till I met me first Master, and he opened my eyes to a whole new world. Little did I know that at that time, it was only his version of it.

Sense then, i've been able to explore, and learn a hell of a lot more. I am a skeptical one. I like to stick my toe in the water to test it before jumping in all the way. I made that mistake of not testing one time, and one time only. I learned from that mistake very quickly. I know there's so much more I want to know, and explore. And sometimes I have to be reminded to slow down. Learning is so fun.....



yourMissTress -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 8:28:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

I've never had the problem. I am me and enjoy being me so I don't get wrapped around the axle about who 'me' is.



I too am me, and enjoy being me. I also enjoy introspection and growth, so I am always questioning. When I find something I like or don't like I want to know why I like it or don 't like it, and this will inevitably bring me to find something else I might like or not and the desire to find out.

The same is true, and even moreso with a sub, I want to know what makes him tick and why, so that I can use those things to my advantage, increasing his submission to me.



slavelinda -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 8:51:23 AM)

For me, being submissive and not having a Dom in my life or having any involvement in "the lifestyle" for several years made me begin to wonder if something was wrong with me and made me wonder if i needed to get some professional help, which i tried and it didn't work. i searched deep within myself to try to figure out why i had these undeniably intense feelings about needing to be subjected to pain and needing to be controlled and needing to be subservient and feeling terribly out-of-place in the world when i didn't get those needs fulfilled. It was a very lonely and troubling time for me and i am so thankful it is behind me now and i have found my true place where i can be the slave i was born to be.

For me, Faith kept me going when everything in my life seemed to say, "you are wrong, you are weird, you don't belong". i do believe that i was made this way and that somehow, someway, no matter what, i had to find a way to live my life being the submissive masochist that i am or die frustrated and lonely and unfulfilled and searching. i am very glad i found out about this site and a few others so that i can feel connected to people who understand. i am also incrediably thankful that a wonderful Master found me and took control of my life so that i didn't end up in the wrong hands and He has given me the stability and security and protection that allows me to feel safe and comfortable just as i am (or y'am).

slave joy, owned property of Master David



NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 8:53:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

In BDSM, do you consider yourself one of the faithful or one of the skeptics?

That is, do you come from the mindset that you are what you are because that's what you are? Or, do you search for the whys of what you are, what others are, and how they came to be?


I'm both, really. I am comfortable with what I am. I have these tendencies because that is who I am. On the other hand, I search for the whys of every part of my life. I can be perfectly happy and accepting of who I am and still want to know what makes me (and others) tick.

quote:

Have you ever noticed that many many BDSM fundamental discussions boil down to the concepts of faith and skepticism?


Not really. At least not in those terms. I don't think faith or skepticism are the best terms in this situation. Faith denotes a semi-religious theme, and while BDSM is a spiritual practice for me, it's not for many. Also, I'm not a skeptic, I'm simply curious and I'm always interested in learning new things.



Noah -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 10:05:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang
Isn't it actually: "I yam what I yam and that's all I yam" - Popeye's answer to René Descartes?


Yes. I think.



Slipstreme -> RE: Faith (1/20/2006 10:29:28 AM)

I accept and love who I am.

Yet at the same time I keep wanting know how I got that way. I start to think, to philosophize, to wonder. Im hardwired as a student. I will always be a scientist, a learner and a teacher. It is who I am. So searching for what makes me tick and why is a hobby for me, as much as say reading and studying something I find absolutely fascinaiting.

And Im very spiritual. I see BDSM as connected to who I am as I see theriantrophy and furry. It is integral in my sense of spirit, of personal growth and change. Pain does bring out catharsis with me. And I bask in it always. Am I the type to associate that catharsis as a religious thing associated with my God? No. But I see it as life affirming and a method of change. Back to the philosophical thing: S&M itself has givin me insight into understanding emotional suffering: how it changes people and why.

And in general: I think too much. Hehe.



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