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Ok...preserve the Constitution..."all men are created equal" then expanded to women...Now let me get married to the woman of my choice before you bitch about action of a legitimate concern that if automatic weapons are provided to the populous at large, that they will be used to hurt and kill other civilians. It's not about you and your firearm...it's about the concern for the safety of others. 

I'm all about firearm rights (stop saying gun...if you really cared about your weapon you'd address it appropriately) and I respect a man or woman who chooses to own a weapon. In fact I'm looking into purchasing my own. No civilian needs an automatic anything those deer can't run that fast and if it's the military you're afraid of...they have nuclear weapons and tanks...your automatic ain't gonna hold up against that.

you seem to have a problem reading or understanding the written word.
last four words , shall not be infringed .
get a dictionary and look up the words.
they were pretty damn serious about this.
so if you have any complaints, take it up with them.

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Sorry,I can't get all worked up over a perfectly reasonable attempt to ban private ownership of what is essentially a military grade weapon.

I'll ignore the flame bait and just ask you this simple question - what exactly makes a gun a "military grade weapon"?

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Can someone plese tell me what situation you think is going to come up where you will reasonably NEED an assault rifle handy? Or is it just this complete misinterpetation what the right to bear arms was put in the constitution for in the first place that makes you all freak out anytime someone tries to put any kind of gun control in place?

First of all, I know the amendment. Thank you very much.

However, as pointed out, the founding fathers framed the second amendment with the idea that sometime down the line, another revolution would become necessary to bring down the government and bring a new one into power. To quote Thomas Jefferson, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Now, is is anybody's opinion that there is any way that the private citizenry is going to be able to match tanks, jets, grenades, bazookas and all the other hardware at the disposal of the government? It aint just a question of "we have muskets, they have muskets" anymore. We're seriously outgunned and will continue to be no matter how many 9mm's or sub machine guns that you own.  And as nice as it would be for us all to be allowed to have our own personal tacticle nuclear weapons, it's kind of impracticle.

But since you hold the constitution so sacrocent....do you have any qualms with amendments other than the second being taken away? I would have had a lot more respect for you second amendment folk if you had viewed the Patriot Act as a huge violation of our rights against illegal search and seizure, our rights to privacy and so on.
the OP is about the second ammendment, dont try to derail it or shift focus.
if you want to start another thread then do so this is about the 2nd.
Why is it the second amendment is the only one that the gun folks seem to get up in arms about? (pardon the pun)

No you do not, you think you do.
Look at the last 4 words and tell me what that means, Not what it means to you but in direct quotes from a dictionary.


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Can someone plese tell me what situation you think is going to come up where you will reasonably NEED an assault rifle handy? Or is it just this complete misinterpetation what the right to bear arms was put in the constitution for in the first place that makes you all freak out anytime someone tries to put any kind of gun control in place?

We have serious problems, people..and this one aint one of them.

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But since you hold the constitution so sacrocent....do you have any qualms with amendments other than the second being taken away? I would have had a lot more respect for you second amendment folk if you had viewed the Patriot Act as a huge violation of our rights against illegal search and seizure, our rights to privacy and so on.

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And conservatives like to bend the "all men created equal" to whatever they want. So how about you look up the word "equal" while I go check out "shall not be infringed", and we'll call it even, okay?

BTW people's rights as outlined in the constitution are infringed upon daily. Firearm rights are not the least of my worries rather they are not my top priority. No need to be abrasive about setting your list up differently than mine.

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And conservatives like to bend the "all men created equal" to whatever they want. So how about you look up the word "equal" while I go check out "shall not be infringed", and we'll call it even, okay?

BTW people's rights as outlined in the constitution are infringed upon daily. Firearm rights are not the least of my worries rather they are not my top priority. No need to be abrasive about setting your list up differently than mine.

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Sorry,I can't get all worked up over a perfectly reasonable attempt to ban private ownership of what is essentially a military grade weapon.

I'll ignore the flame bait and just ask you this simple question - what exactly makes a gun a "military grade weapon"?

Dammit to hell,how could you ignore the flame bait....

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But to answer your question anything capable of "assaulting" a position as opposed to hunting a deer would by definition be covered.
Now I know that isn't a very technical answer and some of you are going to come back with all sorts of gun babble....but I don't give a shit.These gun discussions here never elicit reasonable discussions.

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Ok...preserve the Constitution..."all men are created equal" then expanded to women...Now let me get married to the woman of my choice before you bitch about action of a legitimate concern that if automatic weapons are provided to the populous at large, that they will be used to hurt and kill other civilians. It's not about you and your firearm...it's about the concern for the safety of others.

I'm all about firearm rights (stop saying gun...if you really cared about your weapon you'd address it appropriately) and I respect a man or woman who chooses to own a weapon. In fact I'm looking into purchasing my own. No civilian needs an automatic anything those deer can't run that fast and if it's the military you're afraid of...they have nuclear weapons and tanks...your automatic ain't gonna hold up against that.

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i would be more fearful of Obamas personal militia.


“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Ok...preserve the Constitution..."all men are created equal" then expanded to women...Now let me get married to the woman of my choice before you bitch about action of a legitimate concern that if automatic weapons are provided to the populous at large, that they will be used to hurt and kill other civilians. It's not about you and your firearm...it's about the concern for the safety of others.

I'm all about firearm rights (stop saying gun...if you really cared about your weapon you'd address it appropriately) and I respect a man or woman who chooses to own a weapon. In fact I'm looking into purchasing my own. No civilian needs an automatic anything those deer can't run that fast and if it's the military you're afraid of...they have nuclear weapons and tanks...your automatic ain't gonna hold up against that.

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We have serious problems, people..and this one ain't one of them.

Only because this is not important to you. Thank you for conveniently dismissing everyone else's concerns simply because they are not your concerns.

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“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

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i would be more fearful of Obamas personal militia.


“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Ok...preserve the Constitution..."all men are created equal" then expanded to women...Now let me get married to the woman of my choice before you bitch about action of a legitimate concern that if automatic weapons are provided to the populous at large, that they will be used to hurt and kill other civilians. It's not about you and your firearm...it's about the concern for the safety of others.

I'm all about firearm rights (stop saying gun...if you really cared about your weapon you'd address it appropriately) and I respect a man or woman who chooses to own a weapon. In fact I'm looking into purchasing my own. No civilian needs an automatic anything those deer can't run that fast and if it's the military you're afraid of...they have nuclear weapons and tanks...your automatic ain't gonna hold up against that.

well now then things are different...that means he'll start giving us civilians the same weapons as our gov't. Things are then actually equal (all with sarcasm here)