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Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/27/2009 7:29:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok...I have said in previous posts that I am not afraid to call "bullshit" on politicians I like. And in this case, I have to make the call. While I am in support of allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, I am far less easy about the lowering of tax incentives for charitable contributions.

Right now, we are in an economic climate where charitable organizations face the twin challenges of increased demand for their services and decreasing revenue from donations. In such an environment, it would seem that any dis-incentive towards charitable contributions is counter-productive.

BUT...

I am put in mind of an interview with Trey Parker, filmmaker and co-creator of South Park. Mr. Parker said that when he makes a movie, he always puts in some incredibly offensive stuff that he had no intention of leaving in the movie just so the ratings board would have something to take out, leaving that footage he did want shown intact.

So....I can't help but wonder.....did Obama put this little prize into his budget so that the Republicans could have something to take up arms against, something to focus upon and finally remove in order to allow them the claim of victory? Do you think that he's going to fight for that provision or let it die a well deserved death as a sacrifice to the gods of bi-partisanship? Did he, knowing that all the Republican party has going for it now is standing up and yelling "NO!",  give them something to say no to?

If this is not just a "conspiracy theory"...and if it occurs so....and, as always, if it works, we may just have a leader with the mixture of vision, scope and pragmatism to really get a few things done during his time in office.

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/27/2009 7:59:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know. Considering I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a list of even 5 significant things I think he's gotten right this first month, I wouldn't be inclined to give him that much credit. 

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/27/2009 8:05:19 PM   
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I don't know. Considering I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a list of even 5 significant things I think he's gotten right this first month, I wouldn't be inclined to give him that much credit.
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For the purposes of this topic, Panda, whether he has gotten these things right or wrong is irrelevant. What is relevant is that not only has he gotten a whole lot done in a very little time, they were things that he had said he was going to do before he was elected. He said he was going to close Gitmo. He has ordered it closed. He said he was going to bring us back into accord with the Geneva convention and that is on track. He said that he was going to pass a stimulus bill (an incredibly complicated piece of legislation that many doubted would be possible, even with the Democratic majority).

In short, this is a guy who is doing things. And more than that, he's learning on the job how to get things done...it does make one wonder.


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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/27/2009 8:35:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing it makes me wonder is why I was so excited about voting for him. Sure, he's gotten a few things right, but like I said, I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a list  of 5 that I consider significant. That monstrosity of a stimulus bill would definitely not be on that list, and you yourself only came up with 3. I'm comfortable saying I can't think of  5.

But I disagree that this is irrelevant to the question. I think it's quite relevant - I haven't seen anything from this man in the last 5 weeks that would suggest to me he's clever enough to pull off what you're suggesting.

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/27/2009 8:43:28 PM   
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1) No government sanctioned torture
2) Stopping the Bush anti birth control conscience nonsense
3) Lifting the gag rule
4) Lifting the ban on stem cell research
5) Closing Gitmo

Not bad for less than 6 weeks.

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/27/2009 9:49:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		#5) so when has GITMO closed?

#4) when was stem cell research banned??? wasnt it just govt funding for it???
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE51E12220090215
In 2001, Bush limited federal funding for stem cell research only to human embryonic stem cell lines that already existed.

#1)  Just allows us to outsource it.
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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/27/2009 10:27:46 PM   
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We have too much at stake in just about every area right  now,
for the latter.

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 12:15:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

So....I can't help but wonder.....did Obama put this little prize into his budget so that the Republicans could have something to take up arms against, something to focus upon and finally remove in order to allow them the claim of victory? Do you think that he's going to fight for that provision or let it die a well deserved death as a sacrifice to the gods of bi-partisanship? Did he, knowing that all the Republican party has going for it now is standing up and yelling "NO!",  give them something to say no to?




       I dunno, Spinner.  Truth be told, this is the first I've heard of such a proposal.  It sounds like a pretty horrible idea to me, but I'd like to have some details before forming an opinion.

       Just for shit and giggles, let's run with your hypothesis though.  President Obama has offered this as a bone of distraction to the Republican minority.  Still sounds pretty horrible.  Now, while we already know that Republicans are more likely to give more to charities (Google it) than Democrats, the people who run those NGOs, the people who work for those organizations, are among his most ardent supporters.  Is it wise for him to be seen throwing yet another key component of his base under the bus? 

      Is this a win he wants to give the Repubs?  High ground he wants to cede?  If he believes for a moment that the right would take it as an olive branch of bipartisanship, he is a fool.  They would smell blood in a victory that would be popular, and come looking for more.  Better to let them them have a mortgage interest cap at $750,000, rather than a half mil.  Keep it simple.

      Ok, I'm playing here, so what the fuck... 

       Say he is serious about this.  Is it his goal then to have charities become more heavily dependant on gov't for their funding?  That's a pretty fucking authoritarian goal.  To tell me someone else is better suited to decide the worthy uses of my charity?  There are some damn good organizations where I live.  Camps for sick kids.  Domestic violence shelters.  Food banks.  Centers for the homeless.  There are also some really crappy ones, and a few total scams.  I can't make those choices?

      A couple times a year, Spinner, the wife and I will spend twice what we normally do on a nice dinner out, to eat so-so bbq and beans, and then spend half a car payment in the auction.  We have some really awful art in the downstairs bathroom.  Knowing we can throw those receipts in the box with the mortgage interest and medical bills, makes it possible to go squander for a good cause.  I see with my own eyes the difference they make in people's lives.  I also see the agencies that seem to be getting the fat federal and cooperative grants.  They close at 4:00 on Friday (unless they have gone to a 4/10 schedule to save energy).

     What would such a goal say about our young President?  That he truly believes he knows best?  I'm not comfortable with that.  Especially when we add the fact that a man who has never held any actual power in his life, now holds our highest executive office.  Power is a drug far more potent than the cocaine he liked in his younger years.  That adds up to some scary shit.

      Crazy or crazy like a fox?  I dunno.  How about, dumb or dangerously dumb?  It might be moot.  A wise old somebody always used to say there was nobody dumber than a smart person doing something completely unfamiliar.

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 1:05:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Off the top of my head.

1) No government sanctioned torture
2) Stopping the Bush anti birth control conscience nonsense
3) Lifting the gag rule
4) Lifting the ban on stem cell research
5) Closing Gitmo

Not bad for less than 6 weeks.


And these are his good things??  Makes you feel safer for you and your family closing Gitmo and no more waterboarding...of which, by the way, I think there were only three confirmed uses of waterboarding and lives were saved.  There never was a ban on stem cell research...only government funding of embryonic stem cell research. All the positive results thus far have been from adult stem cell research.  "anti birth control conscience"...wow..a biggie!  He lifted the gag rule, a ban on federal funding for international groups that promote or perform abortions, reversing the George W. Bush executive order!  Yep...you have certainly defined Obama and his liberal accomplishments and the top priorites of this radical President when the world is collapsing minute by minute.

You should also mention what else Barack from Chicago has accomplished in a short five weeks:

Initiated the most vicious class warfare the country has ever seen, pitting the underclass against the producers.
His AG fired a warning shot as to what is coming with his, "orientation speech" his first days on the job at Justice.
His view towards whites is pretty clear...

Has signed off on Daschle's "healthcare czar" that will determine what your doctor and mine can prescribe as therapy or meds based on cost/benefit analysis.  He has jump started the destruction of the U.S. healthcare system and moving the country towards universal healthcare to benefit 15% of the population to the detriment of 85% of the population.  He is continuing the democrat policy of power politics by bringing everyone DOWN instead of lifting people UP!

He is so far over his head or just doesn't care, that he would allow Pelosi and Reid, mostly Pelosi, to dominate the provisions in what was supposed to be a "stimulus" package and, instead, turned out to be mostly a liberal democrat spending spree! The stock market has already lost about fifty percent and the worst is ahead of us.

And the wasteful spending continues with even more populist programs from a community activist.  Obama is putting the U.S. dollar well on its way towards being a "sub-prime" currency, a nation with tens of trillions in debt that will bankrupt the country.

At a time of economic crisis he is "raising" tax rates...limiting the amount of money that can be donated to charity at a time when ALL charities are scrambling for funds.  To most of us that would seem to be a stupid thing to do..but I agree with those that KNOW Obama is not stupid...everything he does has purpose..everything he does is the culmination of twenty years of radical leftist training....To paraprase a muslim quote.."There is but one God..and Allah is His name", "there is but one charity, and the U.S. Government is its name!"  It's all about power! The power of the Central Goverment!

To me, and should be to most Americans, the most scary thing happening at the moment is that The "Dear Leader" again yesterday reaffirmed his plans for a "Civilian Security Force"..as powerful as the army.  Folks, we are on our way to a dictatorship...and the intellectuals on campus will be the first to go!
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded,” Obama said.

Yes, Barack Obama has accomplished a great deal in such a short time...and the drones are lapping it up.  Just gives you chills up and down your legs, doesn't it Mr. Chris Mattews! 

Oh..he is adopting the Bush Iraqi strategy of mostly leaving it up to the generals...which is probably the smartest thing he has done other thatn chosing a Portugese Water Dog..for the kids.  I think he should have picked a Golden Retriever but that's me..and I'm just one of those neocons.

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 3:18:42 AM   
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What?

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 3:28:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Off the top of my head.

1) No government sanctioned torture
2) Stopping the Bush anti birth control conscience nonsense
3) Lifting the gag rule
4) Lifting the ban on stem cell research
5) Closing Gitmo

Not bad for less than 6 weeks.



Sounds like a pretty good start to me.


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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 3:37:02 AM   
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You should also mention what else Barack from Chicago has accomplished in a short five weeks:

Initiated the most vicious class warfare the country has ever seen, pitting the underclass against the producers.



Hmmm!

You are saying he instituted class warfare by pitting the underclass against the producers?



It's truly both funny and sad you don't see the contradiction and irony in your own statement.




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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 4:30:03 AM   
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"His view towards whites is pretty clear"...

What?


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/magazine/19obama-t.html

  • If there had been a recording of these comments "prior" to the caucus State primary vote..Hillary would be sitting in the White House today!  The momentum shifted..

New York Times Link -  

 Obmam quote: "small-town voters in Pennsylvania and other states had grown “bitter” over lost jobs, which caused them to “cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them.”
NY Times reporter:  ".......in the weeks that followed, white working-class primary voters, not only in industrial states like Pennsylvania but also in rural states like Kentucky and West Virginia, rejected his candidacy by wide margins, and he staggered, wounded, toward the nomination.

If even the NY Times could see the ugly tone in Obama's voice...and those "white working-class primary voters could figure it out...I would say the question is answered.

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 5:00:01 AM   
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You should also mention what else Barack from Chicago has accomplished in a short five weeks:

Initiated the most vicious class warfare the country has ever seen, pitting the underclass against the producers.



Hmmm!

You are saying he instituted class warfare by pitting the underclass against the producers?



I guess we have a different sense of humor!  You have blinkers on with respect to the destruction of our healthcare system in favor of 46 million withhtout healthcare and to hell with the 300,000,000 who do have healthcare..who sacrifice to pay it in so many ways.  Really funny when you have to wait three months for an X-Ray because your doctor thinks you might have TB...or are denied an expensive test even though your doctor appeals..and than you have what they call "an event" in medicine..and you die.  Too funny...
                                                           

Signed a the largest pork laden spending bill that benefits only big government, that disguises big government failures, partiulcarly at the State level with irresponsible Governors spending money on social agenda's insteat of bridge maintainence, road repar, repair of deteriorating schools, and on and on.  Instead the taxpayes  TAXPAYERS..you know people that work long hours and get to keep some of it after income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, business taxes..water taxes, and on and on...
And now he wants to tax the "wealthy"..as defined as people earning over $250,000 annually. Well, that may seem like wealth to someone on the left, but I always thought "wealth" was measured in property, you know, valuable things wealthy people accumulate, like six houses, compounds on Cape Cod, $50 million mansions in Santa Barbara, million dollar trust funds for the kids..etc.  Not that many of these people didn't earn this "wealth"..many did...but somehow..making $250,000 a year before taxes, having two kids going to college, and not qualifying for financial aid because you are deemed to be "wealthy"...or fixing a leaky roof, a flooded basement, or donating to local charities just doesn't leave enough to fund those big houses, yachts and visits to Harry Winston.

I also take it you must agree with all my other views on Obama?   Or were you laughing too hard to type?

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 5:19:29 AM   
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I guess we have a different sense of humor..............

I also take it you must agree with all my other views on Obama?   Or were you laughing too hard to type?


The latter.

Because you constantly post the same rant without ever addressing the topic. 

Just as in this case.

I asked about how you could say someone else was waging class warfare while you were making your own ironic distinction between the "underclass" and the "producers" in society.

And you answered me by rambling on about health care.

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 6:36:37 AM   
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You're just desperately grasping at straws. Obama is doing something moronic, so how to make it seem genius...

Hmm... Here's a news flash for you. WE ELECTED A MORON!!!

The days of Bush were the good old days, and that's going to become more and more apparent even to the likes of you with every passing day. The Dow is off to it's worst two-month start EVER, mostly due to the words of wisdom escaping from the lips of this president and those in his administration. People are losing their retirement and the recession is now spiraling out of control headed into a depression or even worse, all due to a crisis of confidence.

Bill Clinton said the same thing, more or less. Only a hell of a lot more gently than I would have:

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While giving Obama full marks for his first one month in office, Clinton, however, said the President's warnings about the economy sometimes make Democrats feel that the economic threats are too dire to overcome.

''I just want the American people to know that he (Obama) is confident that we are going to get out of this and that he feels good about the long run,'' Clinton said. Obama had often warned of a slow recovery amidst worsening economic conditions. The US Federal Reserve also said that the recession could last five years.


Vice president Joe Biden's remarks were even more pesimistic when he said, ''If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30-per cent chance we're going to get it wrong.''

http://www.domain-b.com/people/in_the_news/20090221_obama.html


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Ok...I have said in previous posts that I am not afraid to call "bullshit" on politicians I like. And in this case, I have to make the call. While I am in support of allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, I am far less easy about the lowering of tax incentives for charitable contributions.

Right now, we are in an economic climate where charitable organizations face the twin challenges of increased demand for their services and decreasing revenue from donations. In such an environment, it would seem that any dis-incentive towards charitable contributions is counter-productive.

BUT...

I am put in mind of an interview with Trey Parker, filmmaker and co-creator of South Park. Mr. Parker said that when he makes a movie, he always puts in some incredibly offensive stuff that he had no intention of leaving in the movie just so the ratings board would have something to take out, leaving that footage he did want shown intact.

So....I can't help but wonder.....did Obama put this little prize into his budget so that the Republicans could have something to take up arms against, something to focus upon and finally remove in order to allow them the claim of victory? Do you think that he's going to fight for that provision or let it die a well deserved death as a sacrifice to the gods of bi-partisanship? Did he, knowing that all the Republican party has going for it now is standing up and yelling "NO!",  give them something to say no to?

If this is not just a "conspiracy theory"...and if it occurs so....and, as always, if it works, we may just have a leader with the mixture of vision, scope and pragmatism to really get a few things done during his time in office.




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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 6:49:58 AM   
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Obama Declares War on Investors, Entrepreneurs, Businesses, And More

Let me be very clear on the economics of President Obama’s State of the Union speech and his budget.


He is declaring war on investors, entrepreneurs, small businesses, large corporations, and private-equity and venture-capital funds.


That is the meaning of his anti-growth tax-hike proposals, which make absolutely no sense at all — either for this recession or from the standpoint of expanding our economy’s long-run potential to grow.


Raising the marginal tax rate on successful earners, capital, dividends, and all the private funds is a function of Obama’s left-wing social vision, and a repudiation of his economic-recovery statements. Ditto for his sweeping government-planning-and-spending program, which will wind up raising federal outlays as a share of GDP to at least 30 percent, if not more, over the next 10 years.

This is nearly double the government-spending low-point reached during the late 1990s by the Gingrich Congress and the Clinton administration. While not quite as high as spending levels in Western Europe, we regrettably will be gaining on this statist-planning approach. Study after study over the past several decades has shown how countries that spend more produce less, while nations that tax less produce more. Obama is doing it wrong on both counts.


And as far as middle-class tax cuts are concerned, Obama’s cap-and-trade program will be a huge across-the-board tax increase on blue-collar workers, including unionized workers. Industrial production is plunging, but new carbon taxes will prevent production from ever recovering. While the country wants more fuel and power, cap-and-trade will deliver less.


(Full article here).


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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 6:52:38 AM   
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7) re-established America's right to protest. No more "free speech zones."

8) We now do the returning bodies of the war dead the respect of seeing them come back. and NOT pretend that they don't exist.

9) Will be allowing the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire, bringing in an extra 1.6 trillion dollars a year to the federal treasury.

10) investigations to see if criminal trials are called for, against members of the Bush administration, including those for treason, war crimes including torture, leaking the names of CIA operatives, and abuses of power while in office.

11) investigations into the justice department's activities to pack the supreme courts of the nation with arch republicans, insuring that no one gets a fair trial.

12) Oh, and he had Dick Cheany and Karl Rove shot. (Oh, wait, that's just me having a daydream... strike that.)


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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 6:57:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		But I'm still waiting for the two biggies: striking down the PATRIOT II act, and this time creating something to replace it where we actually debate over what needs to be done... : and, shut down of the warantless wiretapping program that had every single American's calls being electronically logged. (The orange door program.)

But, I'll settle for:

13) Announcing that our combat operations in Iraq are ending and we will be pulling all but 50,000 troops out in 19 months...

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RE: Is Obama Crazy or Crazy Like a Fox? - 2/28/2009 6:59:53 AM   
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...whether he has gotten these things right or wrong is irrelevant.



Is anyone else bothered by this statement?

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