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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 8:35:01 PM

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i think it's very easy for people to dismiss other people's concerns, just because they're "tired" of hearing abou them.
this isn't the only "weird" cartoon that the NYPost has had that relied on idiotic stereotypes.

i think it's an old issue for sure. i dont think obama cared about it too much. and i think there are more important things to talk about.
but at the same time, i think arguing about the strenght of a person's intellect based on what they do or don't get offended by... well that's just as silly.

i just see alot of examples of "the majority group exercising its privilege to decide what is or is not a valid issue" blah blah blah etc etc etc sociologyspeak galore.
it IS a real issue to some people, whether you like it or not.
so while you say "omgz get over it guyz!" to them, maybe you have some things to get over, as well.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 9:07:58 PM

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I've posted too many contributions on this topic. Negative replies have been inane at best, but on the whole, illogical and redundant. "I," or "anyone with common sense knows this is racist!"

Bottom line.

Nothing in the cartoon implies or states President Obama. It's not labeled. It's not caricatured. It's a dead chimp shot by cops. I went looking for the racism, and didn't see it. I saw a metaphor for monkeys and typewriters and the Democrat Stimulus Package. That is what I projected and I take responsibility for it.

If you projected racism, then take responsibility for it. The cartoonist says you're wrong. He should know. Quote from CNN.com, "Delonas called the controversy 'absolutely friggin' ridiculous.'" Delonas is the cartoonist. Again, going to the cartoon and expecting to see a racist cartoon, I didn't see it. Delanos drew from the news of the day, and made a political cartoon by mashing two seperate events. The killing of a mad chimp, and the passing of a (possibly mad, time will tell) a piece of legislation.

That tens, or tens of thousands, of other people get angry and call it a racist cartoon, does not make it a racist cartoon. It makes it a cartoon that they see as racist, and they refuse to correct their mistake. That John Legend (??) hopes, "you experience some real consequences for it," and says that he "truly believe we are better than this filth," pretty much sums up his elitist attitudes.

It's interesting that he states, "we don't need the New York Post to resurrect the images of Jim Crow," when, in fact, it is the imposition of Jim Crow images on this cartoon by Rev. Sharpton, Legend, et. al. that brings back the images of Jim Crow, not the cartoon itself. To borrow from Freud, sometimes a chimp is just a chimp.

People comment that I'm good looking.

That doesn't make it true.

To quote the great African American philosopher and role model, Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?" Apparently not when there is liberal racist hay to be made.

All the best,

MH

(edited cuz I keep finding typos!)

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 9:16:10 PM

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Now critics are calling for the cartoonist to be fired. Then when they don’t get what they want them they protest all across the country. And they are calling for the newspaper to be sold. Also they want more minorities at foxnews channel. As always there cry of racism was nothing but politically motivated BS.

See, this is what makes me angry about this issue.These people are so full of righteous indignation, so busy making up imaginary injustices to go crusading against, that they're actually creating genuine injustices against the people they're lashing out at. This cartoonist, the people who own and work at the newspaper, are real people, with real families and real bills to pay. They've done nothing wrong, nothing at all. Dumb? Sure, it was a stupid cartoon. But there was nothing racist or malevolent in what they did. Yet these self-absorbed people are so obsessed with making up things to be angry about, and demanding that somebody pay for these imaginary offenses, that they want to take their jobs away, put them out on the street, take away their livelihoods and their means of caring for their families. And they couldn't care less about that, because after all, they're angry! They've been mistreated! And somebody's got to pay! And that's all that matters to them.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 10:35:20 PM

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Yeah,posting horrible images and words....harmless.....

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 10:38:50 PM

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It's called freedom of expression, O59. Of course, you have to read the past the first half paragraph in the Constitution to find it...

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 10:41:54 PM

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I'm surprised that chimpanzees are not demonstrating outside the NYT offices.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 10:57:39 PM

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Great points, rainyday.Thanks.

"It's called freedom of expression"

And the critics are expressing themselves,too.

Freedom is a messy process . Isn`t it?

Bill Maher and Phil Donahue getting fired,ie real instances of real damage,didn`t get the cons to even change position during their naps,let alone come to their defenses.

Muuuuurdock and his noe-con lackeys said some pretty horrible things about our president,and still do.They say tough cookies as they thumb their noses at half of America,as they have in this case.

I say to them,fuck you too.Tough cookies.If they are going to fight dirty,then get ready to be fought dirty.

I`ll say one thing,if the Post editor does get fired,it won`t be over politics.It`ll be because he`s losing money for internationalist/un-American Muuuuurdock.

That,... is a sin Father Rupert doesn`t forgive.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 11:36:25 PM

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this is a real threat to Obama not a cartoon

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/27/chicago-man-arrested-allegedly-targeting-obama-hiv-infected-blood/

A man from President Obama's hometown of Chicago has been arrested for allegedly sending Obama and his staff envelopes containing HIV-infected blood, in the hopes of killing or harming them.It's only the second time ever that HIV-infected blood has been sent with malicious intent through the U.S. mail system, a spokesman for the U.S. Postal Inspection Service said.In the weeks leading up to Obama's inauguration, Saad Hussein, an Ethiopian refugee in his late 20s, sent an envelope addressed to "Barack Obama" to offices of the Illinois government in Springfield, Ill., according to court documents. The envelope contained a series of curious items, including a letter with reddish stains and an admission ticket for Obama's election-night celebration in Chicago's Grant Park. Court documents said Hussein, who takes drugs to treat a mental illness, later told FBI agents he is "very sick with HIV" and cut his fingers with a razor so he could bleed on the letter.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 2/28/2009 11:38:50 PM

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It was a cartoon fro crying out loud. Those people who are reallly bigots and racists are not subtle about it...but this sensitivity to sterotypes is really beyond rediculous. Maybe it would have been better, I guess, if the two cops were standing over a bleeding jackass...that would be more descriptive of the total democrat party than a poor chimp. Everyone above the age of seven knows that Obama didn't write the Spending Bill...it was the radicals like Pelosi et al that wrote it...and that's what I saw in the cartoon...a metaphore for the entire party..not a single person.

The muslims want to kill a cartonist who drew a picture of Mohammad...I can see a day when people will be marching in the streets demanding the head of anyone who says or prints the slightest thing against our Dear Leader. Those fun days are still ahead of us.

Seeing all the backlash against him..Barack and his minions refer to the Peace Corp..Americorp, etc as what he wants to "build"...Maybe some trust this man who's bible is "Rules for Radicals". but he has to be watched 24/7 to insure his intent is not an Acorn on steriods.

What would you expect people to think who remember the horrors of Facism and Communism when they hear words like...

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
"We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." Barack Obama

Everyone who listens to the "words" of politicians is fully aware that men say and do things for two reasons..a good reason and the "real" reason. What are the objectives set for this man sitting in the Oval Office that people voted for because he promised "change" and know very little else about him since there is no paper trail, only a personal record of his own writing..written when his only accomplishment was graduating from Harvard Law and working as a street organizer We only know the church he went too that kinda helped him to get some street cred, the people who called him friend and that he spoke out from the holy shrine of the capital of Illinois against the Iraq war. What really drives this man???..where is he taking our country???...what door are we being led through..and what is beyond???...no one knows for sure, and this I truly believe!

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 6:41:58 AM

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So is this.

And this. Another bigoted cartoon,by the same <cough> artist from the NY Post.

No less offencive for being cartoons.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 10:52:01 AM

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I got it right way. Not that it refered to Obama himself, because he didn't write the Stimulus Package, he ordered it to be written. It would have helped though if he used more than one monkee to make his point and put a suit on that critter.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 11:11:27 AM

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Yeah,posting horrible images and words....harmless.....

A drawing of a dead monkey and the words "Someone else will have to write the next stimulus bill" constitute "horrible?" To steal a phrase, apparently this is some entirely new definition of "horrible" of which I was previously unaware.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 9:01:50 PM

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Perhaps I am as dumb as a "POST" , I didnt get any linkage between the monkey and obama.
Personally , those that claim there is , are the ones that see him as a monkey.
I also believe it was a refference to the notion of monkies with typewritters.
I find it funny how some people want to Foist their bigotry on others.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 9:26:50 PM

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I`ll refer you to rainyday`s post.

It`s not for you to understand why someone takes offense.

If it has to be explained,as they say,you probably won`t understand.

Getting conservatives to understand anything should not be the standard.Otherwise, we`d still be living in caves.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 9:40:07 PM

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That letter is the dumbest, most presumptuous waste of keystrokes I've seen in quite a while. I have a hard time believing anyone is so blind that they cannot see it's blatantly fallacious nature.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 10:08:07 PM

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Yeah,posting horrible images and words....harmless.....

As Panda would tell you, since he's seen my scribblings both profound and profane on that other site for, oh, about 5 years now, I'm far from being a "racist".
Having said that, the "million monkeys with million typewriters" is exactly the metaphor that came to mind when I viewed the cartoon.
Reading "Obama is a chimp" into that is, well, just so far out I can't conceive of a mind that thinks that way.
Gee, so sorry if I don't march in lockstep with my fellow Progressives; I also think the Palestinians are their own worst enemy.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 11:33:37 PM

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What would you expect people to think who remember the horrors of Facism and Communism when they hear words like...

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
"We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." Barack Obama

How many times have I got to point out that this is an intentional misrepresentation of what was actually said?
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2247442/mpage_2/key_/tm.htm#2247936

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/1/2009 11:53:02 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: corysub
What would you expect people to think who remember the horrors of Facism and Communism when they hear words like...

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
"We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." Barack Obama

How many times have I got to point out that this is an intentional misrepresentation of what was actually said?
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2247442/mpage_2/key_/tm.htm#2247936

Don't bother.

He just ignores it.

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/2/2009 12:05:30 AM

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Sorry, we do not need to lighten up about this matter, but then again you live in Ontario, Canada, so I understand your RESPONCE.

Perhaps being Canadian makes me blind to racist cartoons eh?

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RE: Open Letter to the New York Post - 3/2/2009 12:13:47 AM

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To American culture obviously.....eh?

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