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WyldHrt -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (2/28/2009 10:21:46 PM)

Sorry, been a bit busy here. I hate it when unimportant stuff like work gets in the way of real life! [:D]
Congrats on the anniversary, BTW! [:)] Just goes to show that love isn't dependent on age, dunnit?




FaithBlue -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (2/28/2009 10:30:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Juliannadelion

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ORIGINAL: devotedOwner19

Howdy it seems to me in general there seems to be the opinon that by the virtue of being young automatically makes inexperainced,bad dom,and or unable to make life decisions. And being older means automatically your experianced,more likely to be a good Dom, and or able to make life decisions. I myself disagree while i may be less experianced then someone say whoes been in the lifestyle 30 years that wouldnt make me a bad dom or unable to make life decisions. what everyone opinon and why?


My Lord is 22 and I am 40.  His age has nothing to do with his abilities.  I had been seing a dominant that was 10yrs older than I was before I met Asher.  My ex doesn't even come close to the things my Lord can do to me/for me.  I must admit when I first met him I wanted to discount him because of his age.  Hell, I've got stretch marks older than he is!!! [sm=Groaner.gif]

But after talking to him, and getting to know him, and learning from him, age became a non-issue for us.  Although, there are many people who don't know us intimately, that think I'm a middle aged cougar out for a fresh piece of meat, lol........

He has captured my heart, my soul and my mind, he is my everything, I don't care that he is ONLY 22.  I care only, that he is mine.  [sm=wave.gif]


I love it! I had a bf who was 10 years younger than me. We started exploring BDSM and I found my place in life.




Juliannadelion -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (2/28/2009 10:32:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

Sorry, been a bit busy here. I hate it when unimportant stuff like work gets in the way of real life! [:D]
Congrats on the anniversary, BTW! [:)] Just goes to show that love isn't dependent on age, dunnit?



YES! [sm=banana.gif]

Try not to let real life get in the way of your friends and family here that miss you sweetness!!  don't worry too much, you know we'll be here when you have time! [:D]




Juliannadelion -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (2/28/2009 10:34:16 PM)

Good for you!!!  That is wonderful to hear.  I cannot imagine my life without him now.  Although, I do admit to a certain trepidation about my boobs when I'm 60 and he's 42!!! [sm=flash.gif]




SimplySeekingOne -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (2/28/2009 11:24:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Juliannadelion

LMAO, oh yes, you'd have to be kidding on that one!

We just had our five month living together anniversary.  He cut out little hearts, and made them into a big heart shape on the bed and put a sweet happy anniversary in the middle.  He is truly amazing, no matter how old he is.  Sometimes, it feels like he is older than I am and teaching me something new every day.  I could not love him more if I tried.

How are you?  Haven't seen you in ages missy!  You have been missed.  [:D]


Living together? That's a bit euphemistic, isn't it? [;)]




Juliannadelion -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (2/28/2009 11:28:07 PM)

what are you trying to say? lol......  you question the lady's virtue?  Yes we live together, and play together, and he has me to beat and love and command whenever he wishes........

[sm=biggrin.gif]




SimplySeekingOne -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (2/28/2009 11:54:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Juliannadelion

what are you trying to say? lol......  you question the lady's virtue?  Yes we live together, and play together, and he has me to beat and love and command whenever he wishes........

[sm=biggrin.gif]


If you say so, it must be true. [8|]

*L*

ETA: After all, it's not like you have ever lied or misrepresented the truth...[:D]




Honsoku -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 12:29:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: devotedOwner19

Howdy it seems to me in general there seems to be the opinon that by the virtue of being young automatically makes inexperainced,bad dom,and or unable to make life decisions. And being older means automatically your experianced,more likely to be a good Dom, and or able to make life decisions. I myself disagree while i may be less experianced then someone say whoes been in the lifestyle 30 years that wouldnt make me a bad dom or unable to make life decisions. what everyone opinon and why?


Whenever someone posts a complaint about not being taken seriously because of their age, they invariably come across so poorly that they reinforce the very stereotype that they are railing against. This leads to people posting things this;

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP You are 19 years old. There are going to be a great many life decisions you cannot make because you have no practical knowledge of them. Have you ever bought a house? Raised offspring? Bought a new car? Held a job for 10 years?

Hell, for that matter do you even support yourself? Because if you are lying to your parents about what you do, while telling your sub that she needs to be honest, makes you a hypocrite in my eyes. It may be necessary for you to lie about your sex life if you want your tuition to be paid, but it still doesn't make you someone honest.

Someone who tried to tell me how to raise my son, when he is damn near the same age, is not someone whom I could trust to see things from the view that experience will give. You may see no use to a college education, but someone 20 years older who has been turned down for promotions due to the lack of that degree will have a vastly different view of the situation.


To which the response is this: How many people do you know that have been through those very experiences and still can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground? If someone has to have practical experience with a decision before being able to make it, how would anyone be able to make that decision for the first time? The people that much a huge deal about experience generally see that as their main selling point. "I may not be bright, I may not be attractive, I may not be wise, but by George, have I got experience!". Do you like how I just generalized a large group of people in a negative way?

By and large, people are shallow, judgmental, and prejudiced (despite protestations to the contrary). We are wired to be that way. We are wired to make quick decisions on little information, to seek out patterns to such a degree that we see patterns where there aren't any, and to act on those perceived patterns as if they were law. A recent example is when I started posting on another BDSM forum. There, I hadn't chosen an avatar, people couldn't see my age, and I posted under a Latin name. The difference in reaction between here and there was night and day. Yet, all that had changed were totally superficial elements, not the voice.

Individuals generally do get better with age, though the rate is vastly different from person to person. Experience is only as good as what you learn from it. The truly wise person learns from others' successes and mistakes, as well as his own.




SimplySeekingOne -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 1:25:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Juliannadelion

I do admit to a certain trepidation about my boobs when I'm 60 and he's 42!!! [sm=flash.gif]


That's not likely anything you'll have to worry about. [:D]




WyldHrt -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 1:27:44 AM)

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Whenever someone posts a complaint about not being taken seriously because of their age, they invariably come across so poorly that they reinforce the very stereotype that they are railing against.

Not invariably, but more often than not [:D]





Juliannadelion -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 2:52:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplySeekingOne

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ORIGINAL: Juliannadelion

what are you trying to say? lol......  you question the lady's virtue?  Yes we live together, and play together, and he has me to beat and love and command whenever he wishes........

[sm=biggrin.gif]


If you say so, it must be true. [8|]

*L*

ETA: After all, it's not like you have ever lied or misrepresented the truth...[:D]



I am not sure what your issue is.  You think I should list myself as switch because I sometimes pro-domme. (I assume that's where the lying or misrepresenting accusation is coming from)  Just who are you to pigeon hole me?  You seem only to post on the forums I am posting on - yes, I checked your forum posts by searching your name.  You have no profile to be viewed - what exactly are you hiding?  If you have issue with me, hide me on the forums and you won't have to be offended by my lies and misrepresentations.  You remind me of a woman that had a man fake his death to get away from her. [:D]  Could it be you? [;)]




SimplySeekingOne -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 3:07:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Juliannadelion

You think I should list myself as switch because I sometimes pro-domme.


No, I don't think that. But if you were truly psychic, you'd know that wasn't the case. [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Juliannadelion
(I assume that's where the lying or misrepresenting accusation is coming from)


Au contraire, I didn't accuse you. Although, what I was referencing has nothing to do with whatever orientation you are choosing. [:D]

You know the saying about making assumptions, don't you? [;)]




CatdeMedici -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 3:09:37 AM)

At any age, as long as one does not equate Dominance with omnipotence--they have a good start. Do you have a menu of life experiences to choose from? No, but then there are older people who could not find their way out of a paperbag with a roadmap--as long as you stay humble, always open to learning and keep a solid eye and hand toward the road ahead you should do well.
 
Your only challenge may be having the patience so find someone--it may take time.




feydeplume -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 4:00:42 AM)

FR


I'm going to draw different lines here

bad D=D with idea from someone else, toys others told them to buy, and trying like hell to live up to an image. Possibly a good Top, but a bad D.

inexperienced D=D with so many ideas, from self, subs, and others that they aren't sure where to start or stop, toys that move them and interest them but may or may not be something that they really love to use or have much practice with, and trying like hell to learn and experience everything they can.

good D=D who has some real clear ideas about what they want from trying stuff with people and pillows, has toys that they KNOW how to use and have figured out how to use the best toy (the mind duh), and spends time everyday working to see not just cause and effect, but pre-cause, cause, and then EFFECTS, pre-thinking solutions to issues and challenges.

Does age come into that anywhere other than time to buy and practice with a few good toys? For some people it does. They can play for 20 years and still be working from other people's scripts and trying to live up to something (essentially making the "s" part not human just a body, therefor failure of relationship cuz sub doesn't get needs met).

I judge a Top or a D on how they see me: as a canvas, as an opportunity, as a person, as someone convenient, or whatever. I play with young D's and I play with old. I play with inexperienced as well as good and run like hell from bad (unless they are really cute!)




LadyPact -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 6:13:13 AM)

Well, I'm up to My eyeballs about the age issue on another thread, so I may as well go all of the way under.  Keep in mind that this is an opinion.  You may not like it much, but I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass either.

Without knowing you, I'm going to say that you have at least two cards in the deck stacked against you.  The first is, many people will believe that the majority of folks your age are immature.  Before anybody starts having a fit about that statement, I want to say that the reality is that this is the time in your life when you have the ability to be that way, without some of the same responsibilities that others have. 

The second is, while everyone is telling you "get experience, learn from others," etc, the truth is you don't have as many opportunities to accomplish that.  Getting information from the net and books is great, but it's not the same as learning things in person, from someone who has the experience that you are trying to acquire.  It's hard to find people who are willing to teach you if your age stops you from getting in the door. 

These are already in play before there's anything about you as a person.  Your actual maturity level, living arrangements, relationship status, and many other factors will contribute to other people's opinions.  (Did you notice how many people pointed out that you didn't use spell check?)  You can either prove them right, or prove them wrong by doing what you can to improve your cards.




Evility -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 6:52:44 AM)

When I was 19 I really thought I had my shit together. Now I'm 48 and I look back at myself when I was 19 and just shake my head. Enjoy your youth while you have it and know that a generation from now you'll look back and it will all make sense.




Huntertn -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 7:02:16 AM)

hell-bells...Most of history's full of young Doms trying to take over the world...cesar wept once taking about Alexander conquests of the old world [ all before he was 25 too]..its not the age its the experence...Some seem to be born with it others learn it with time..Its more the attitude that you learn till you die rather than know it all now that can make or break you as a Dom




FullCircle -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 7:04:35 AM)

If you thought you had your shit together in the past and was proven wrong what makes you think you won't be proven wrong again? It would be wiser to never think you had your shit together and thus always be on the alert for possible future shit gathering exercises.
 
The reason these debates get so polarised is that no one likes to be rejected especially on the basis of things they can't change. Statistically you are more likely to have a car accident when younger and so pay more car insurance. Statistics do not by any means describe every individual out there but people are entitled to live their lives and make their choices as if they did.
 
Having said that I've seen no statistic that states young people make bad dominants this is personal perception. You can change people’s perception but only if it isn't based on their experience. In short people will argue because everyone's experience is different and this is what they are basing their judgements on.
 
This and other threads like it highlight the utter pointlessness of debating personal preference.




CarrieO -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 7:11:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

 It would be wiser to never think you had your shit together and thus always be on the alert for possible future shit gathering exercises.



That is the best piece of advice I've read in a long time!

OP....Age doesn't equal maturity or vice versa.  You are the total of your life experiences and  "shit gathering exercises".  It all comes down to personal preference.




devotedOwner19 -> RE: young=Bad Dom, true? (3/1/2009 7:28:02 AM)

Thanks for all opinion while some were ...Interesting. They were all informative to set things straight i wasn't really complaining or whining about my age in particuler. i was asking more for curiosity sake and to see if i could get a good debate going.




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