TranceTara
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Maya is an ancient Hindu term that means, "origin of the world" and "world of illusion".
Yes there is a Hindu word, "maya." It actually has several different meanings. It's a word for illusion, and it's the name of a Hindu goddess. However, the Mayan peoples of ancient Mesoamerica do not get their name from the Hindus. The root word for the Mayans came from the Mayan word, "Mayab." Mayab was what the Mayans called their home, the Yucatan Peninsula. It means, "the chosen place for the chosen few." Although the Hindu word and the name for the Mayan peoples share the same spelling in English, they have no connection what so ever.
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Maya is an ancient Hindu term that means, "origin of the world" and "world of illusion". I believe, along with José Argüelles, Barbara Hand Clow, Carl Johan Calleman and others, that the Ancient Mayans were leaving us a map not only to our own conscious evolution, but also the conscious evolution of our universe.
Well let's see....Jose Arguelles's works are completely unsupported by any real archeological facts. He doesn't interpret anything from Mayan culture accurately. Numerous criticisms from actual Mayanist scholars can be found concerning his works. Barbara Hand Clow is an astrologer and New Ager. She holds absolutely no qualifications to interpret anything about the Mayan people. Carl Johan Calleman is a former toxicologist. He doesn't have any expertise on the ancient Mayans. So essentially, these people are no different from people that believe in snake handling. They are not scholars or experts on the ancient Mayans.
Now for those that believe the Mayans were trying to teach us something, I'll ask you a question. What exactly were the Mayans teaching when they were performing human sacrifices? Yes they like many ancient peoples of the Americas, the Mayans performed human sacrifices. So do we need to start cutting people's hearts out in 2012 and tossing their lifeless bodies down the stairs of temples?
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Look at what happened when Galileo supported the Copernican heliocentric view of the solar system. And many thought Einstein was a bit eccentric and "out there" for all of his thoughts on space and time. Just imagine telling someone during the Victorian era that there would be television, space travel, cars, etc. They'd have thought you completely bonkers.
Galileo and Einstein studied science and mathematics. The people that support New Age theories about prophecy, astroprojection, astrology, etc. do not use the scientific method to support their claims. You can't compare astrologers and astronomers, anymore than you can compare chemistry with alchemy. Just so you know; automobiles were invented in the Victorian era. The idea of television and space travel being possible were not unknown either during that time period.
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The Mayans developed a system to measure shifts in the universe which would thus create a shift in consciousness.
No they didn't.
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And, quoting José Argüelles from The Mayan Factor, "...Hunab Ku is the name of the the galactic core, not just as name but as a description of purpose and activity as well.
Again, Jose Arguelles doesn't know what he's talking about. No evidence exists that the Mayans even understood the concept of the galaxy.
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There is an exchange of information, a resonance throughout the universe. Quantum physics is proving how thoughts can affect the outcome of an experiment. Thoughts are energy. They have an effect on everyone and everything we come into contact with. So, maybe, just maybe, the Ancient Mayans were so in tune with the 'thoughts' of the Universe they decided to leave a map for those who chose to see the unseen.
Where is this proof from Quantum physics? Give me an actual scientific source, not wild claims from the New Age movement. As for the Mayans being in tune with the thoughts of the Universe.........human sacrifice, remember? Did the universe command them to murder people?
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I have no definite answers. Maybe it is all just hogwash.
It is.
slaveboy,
You bring up many valid points.
I don't believe every single thing that Jose Arguelles says, but I do not discount it either. When I got heavily into meditation, there were things I did that blew me away and actually frightened me a couple of times. Do I have scientific proof? No. But I know what I did and some of the things I saw. I used to try to get scientific proof for everything I wanted to believe in my life. Now, I have learned there is an inner life that is rich and full and much of my proof comes from my own experience. I tried following many paths, but my questioning mind kept me from adhering to any one tenet. And yet, I find that in all the schools of buddhism I studied and took vows in, all the other paths I learned about and gave a shot at, all of them had a basic foundation that was similar. Our thoughts create our reality;do no harm lest you bring harm upon yourself; love.
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I'll ask you a question. What exactly were the Mayans teaching when they were performing human sacrifices?
I was under the impression that when speaking of the Mayan Calendar there was an ancient group that did not follow that practice. I must go back and review this for you bring up a very valid point about the sacrifices. And, just because a group performs an act that I find heinous does not mean that all of them believed in such a practice. Perhaps these are the ones that created the Mayan Calendar and why they seem to have 'disappeared'. So, I do not think it logical to lump all of them in the same category as those who believed in sacrifice.
When I researched Tibetan Buddhism, I found many instances of violence which contradicted all that I was being taught. Then when I was in one sect several years ago, I was told this other sect I also was interested in was doing a practice that was not approved by the Dalai Lama. It was then I decided that when you deal with 'religion' or 'schools of thought' you will always be limited by the human-ness of those involved. And, you will also have the influence of culture. Many parts of buddhism are still sexist. I ignore those. I feel women can be monks. I feel women can attain enlightenment. I do not feel women should be subservient to men and do not need all those extra vows. Heck, what do I know? I'm not a reincarnated lama. But, why throw out all the teachings that helped me become a better person? Just because some chose violence and some are sexist I do not wish to close the door.
So, I just allow room for the possibility that there were some beings who were in tune with consciousness and the universe and they may have left a map for some of us who could tap into it. And, I believe that thoughts are powerful and have an effect upon everyone. So, I try (easier said than done) to not focus on the negative. That doesn't mean I don't try to find solutions to the problems of the world. I just don't want to contribute to them by adding negativity through judgment, malice and malignment of character when it is the situation I have problems with.
In the past, I was much more judgmental and I saw how that negative critical energy weighed me down. I also saw what effect it had upon managers at work when many of us disagreed with their actions. The more critically we spoke, the more negative the situation became. (I then imagine how millions of negative thoughts can affect a political leader or a country.) So, now I can speak about acts that I do not feel are of the highest integrity, but approach them in a more constructive way. And, I see a shift not only in myself, but those I share my thoughts with. Rather than judge and criticize, we talk about it and offer solutions. And if there is nothing we can do, as is happening now at work, I express my opinion in a calm manner and offer a solution. And, that is having a trickle down effect for more and more of us are starting to do that and there is less anger and frustration at work.
I don't know if I made my point very well. Vicodin tends to do that. lol (I have a pinched a nerve in my neck.) I just feel that the world will refect what is in our heart and mind. And, *perhaps* due to the alignment of the planets and stars at a certain point in time, they may act like a celestial magnifying glass for emotions. Again, I have no proof, it is a belief on my part. And, since I have seen how meditation has affected me, how astrology has been a useful *tool* (not a be all end all factual science) and how the greatest of civilizations have fallen and disappeared in the past, I just want to have the inner strength, that inner peace, just in case the outer world is *perceived* to be total chaos by masses of people.  
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Galileo and Einstein studied science and mathematics. The people that support New Age theories about prophecy, astroprojection, astrology, etc. do not use the scientific method to support their claims. You can't compare astrologers and astronomers, anymore than you can compare chemistry with alchemy. Just so you know; automobiles were invented in the Victorian era. The idea of television and space travel being possible were not unknown either during that time period.
I understand what you are saying, but the point I was trying to make, rather poorly I admit, is that there was an inspiration for both Galileo and Einstein which then caused them to use mathematics to prove their "way out" ideas. Many felt *their* ideas were pure 'hogwash'.
And, the whole point of bringing in the Victorian era is just that... it would have been preposterous to even mention such things. And yet, there may have been one or two who could have put disbelief aside long enough to say, "Hmm. Anything is possible." The ideas come from somewhere: Divine inspiration? One too many martinis? Too much kush? Facts? Who knows? Talk to Victorians about space travel? Hogwash. It was not in their realm of experience nor belief. So, there are certain things I have had experience with, and although science cannot prove it, I know what happened. It has opened me up to possibilities and I will not close the door.
*And* who is to say that someone didn't use time travel, go back, plant those seeds of thought in someone's head? Maybe that was their destiny. Okay, I know.. I'm watching way too much Doctor Who! 
As for the scientific method, I used to be hardcore science and needed scientific proof for everything. Nowadays I allow more room for belief, and, I do not feel any belief I have is irrefutable. All I have is my own experience and I now trust that. And, when an experience I have contradicts a belief, than I most certainly will look at that belief and see if it needs to be changed or deleted.
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Where is this proof from Quantum physics? Give me an actual scientific source,
Perhaps when I used the word, 'thoughts' I should have used 'intentions'. The double slit experiment is the first thing that comes to mind. The experimenter determines the outcome of the experiment. If one sets up the experiment to find a particle, then one sees a particle. If one sets up the experiment to find a wave, one finds a wave.
Feynman
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I was fascinated by reading about some of the claims about meditation having an effect upon crime rates. maharishieffect I can't find it now, but there was an article about one such experiment done in Washington D.C. Or was it NYC? I forget. I'll have to try to locate it. Anyway, I still have a little bit of reservation about it, but on the otherhand, I know what happens when I meditate. I know I am not only a physical being, but also energetic. I have electrical currents in my body, who is to say they don't extend outward in some field?
Although I do not need scientific proof for everything I believe in, I like to gather information and make a decision based upon that. But again, I also use my own experience as a determinating factor. There is no harm in that. If I am wrong, the worst thing that has happened is I am a much happier person with more peaceful thoughts. And, by being so, just maybe a few people might feel that happiness and peace and wish to spread that into the world. Hogwash? Science? Does it matter if the effect is positive?
And let me say that I know I tend to be a dreamer. I love being "out there" with my thoughts and many times, I find myself saying, "No one can disprove it."  I love sci fi that pushes me beyond my comfort zone in thinking and breaking down those barriers. Perhaps it is nothing more than mental masturbation. I am one of those that says, "Why not?" We all have our place in this world. If it weren't for people like you to help ground me, I'd be way gone! Thank you slaveboy.
P.S. My apologies but I think I caught the typos but I need more vicodin right now and will soon be zoning out.
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