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Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 8:59:42 AM   
Coldwarrior57


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WHAT!!!!!
Ohh yea he doesnt have to pay for his own fuel!
and neither does team barry.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/196613.php
Can we expect a tax hike on gas?
Can you afford a tax hike on gas?


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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 9:05:39 AM   
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What kind of a lame ass site is "the Jawa Report" ?

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 9:50:34 AM   
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the site is irrelevant. RE and BHO have said the same thing many times. My favorite is BHO's opinion when gas was at $4 that the price was right, it just got there too fast.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 9:56:04 AM   
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Most people and nations,consumers and suppliers want stability in energy prices,not a roller coaster of uncertainty and the predators who take advantage of it.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 10:03:30 AM   
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Yeah, once Blowbama is done nationalizing the banks he can turn his focus on the oil companies.  Carter's price controls on gas worked wonders.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 10:16:58 AM   
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What kind of a lame ass site is "the Jawa Report" ?
Ignore the man behinde the curtain.
ROFLMAO!


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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 10:19:28 AM   
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I`ll settle for throwing a few Exxon execs in jail,taking our stolen money back.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 10:52:03 AM   
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I`ll settle for throwing a few Exxon execs in jail,taking our stolen money back.
Stolen ?
start a new thread on that, I would love to know how they stole your money.


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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 10:54:29 AM   
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I`ll settle for throwing a few Exxon execs in jail,taking our stolen money back.
Stolen ?
start a new thread on that, I would love to know how they stole your money.



And while youre at it, clarify how "spreading the wealth" by taxing the producers and giving it to the non-producers isn't stealing.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 11:19:49 AM   
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Folks, knock off the personal comments.  I'm not going to ask again.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 12:29:51 PM   
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And while youre at it, clarify how "spreading the wealth" by taxing the producers and giving it to the non-producers isn't stealing.


Help me out here and define the difference between a producer and non-producer.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 1:03:50 PM   
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The democrats would love to see higher crude prices.  They don't give a damn about the worker, the middle class...they only care that at $40/bbl it becomes very difficult to rape the taxpayers treasury to develop high cost, unprofitable wind, solar, tidal, and ethanol.  Thank God oil came down and ethanol plants are closing.  We have seen a tremendous drop in the price of corn which makes it a little easier for Americans feeling pain these days.  Wake up people....not those 1/3 that will go down with the Obama....but the marjority of the 1/3 of American voters in the middle of the political spectrum who shifted their vote for the sake of "Change"!
If you destroy something I guess that's change...Obama is on the path towards total destruction of our economic system and will "Change" the face of America for most of our lifetimes since it will be so difficult to undue.  We can still stop him by writing Congress on his outrageous budget, call them on the earmark laden Omnibut bill... and contact the new Secretary of Health nominee on the risks to his destruction of our healthcare system.  We only have a couple of years at the most to do this...and the stock market is telling us we probably don't even have that much time. 

Fill the pantry, buy gold, and do what you have to do to protect your families.


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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 1:17:06 PM   
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"total destruction of our economic system""Fill the pantry,buy gold,and do what you have to do to protect your families".
Cory this seems just a bit over the top.....

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 1:45:03 PM   
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"total destruction of our economic system""Fill the pantry,buy gold,and do what you have to do to protect your families".
Cory this seems just a bit over the top.....


Yep...I'm over the top I guess.  I see the Pelosi stimulus bill that any freshman taking eco 101 can figure out how much of a hoax it is on the American public, assuming that freshman isn't taking polysci with some leftwingnut professor..I see our economy in a recession..can we agree on that?...
and yet my government is anti-business, going to raise taxes on businessmen with a tax on carbon emissions..you did see that I assume?......going to raise taxes on any family earning over $250,000 a year in the name of "making the wealthy pay their share"...but, God forbid, tax the real wealth held by billionairs or those worth over $100,000,000 like the Kennedy's, the Kerry's, the Pelosi's..et al.
You, my friend, pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffet who earned $46 million...unless of course all of your income also is derived from muni bonds and capital gains.

Yep..I'm over the top...the stock market lacks any confidcnce in this radical budget and stimulus,
and we are already bankrupted by medicare, but putting "stimulus" money into State "medicaide",;and going to saddle the government balance sheet with the cost of healthcare for 40,000,000 (read that highter taxes for you and me) and destroy, along with the economy, the superb healthcare system in this country that services over 300,000,000 today!  Where did Kennedy go fo his brain surgery...he lives in the Boston area that has a dozen of the best medical institutions in the world. He went to Duke, in North Carolina!  Why...hey...you paid your share of that..and so did I with his Senate special healthcare package that is not available to you or me.  Sorry, but I tend to ramble and hope the OP will not take offense.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 2:20:34 PM   
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I don't see the big deal with the price of oil being higher.  Europe manages to pay much more per liter than we do, yet until the financial meltdown, they had a nice lifestyle.  Want to save money on gas?  Buy a more fuel efficient vehicle.  Get off your lazy duff and ride a bike or walk....  Carpool....We've got lots of options for progress.  The era of cheap oil is over- now deal with it.

Besides- in contrast to a poster preference for imported oil over locally produced ethanol- I have no problem with a certain amount of experimentation, although I agree that corn to ethanol is kind of dumb-but not all biofuels are dumb.  Nor do I think that the economy will melt down because we don't buy oil from nasty places like the Mideast or Nigeria, propping up their economies.  Besides- think of the savings in defense- we can let the Mideast go to hell the way the people there want it to- and we can save our own peoples lives from not having to defend oil supplier sheiks.

In short- imported oil is a lot more expensive than you think,  The price at the pump doesn't accurately reflect its costs- you need to include a big chunk of our defense budget.  Get rid of the nuclear industry subsidies and the cost of cleaning up coal mines and acid rain and all of a sudden, wind and solar don't look so bad after all.


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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 3:18:44 PM   
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I don't see the big deal with the price of oil being higher.  Europe manages to pay much more per liter than we do, yet until the financial meltdown, they had a nice lifestyle.  Want to save money on gas?  Buy a more fuel efficient vehicle.  Get off your lazy duff and ride a bike or walk....  Carpool....We've got lots of options for progress.  The era of cheap oil is over- now deal with it.

Besides- in contrast to a poster preference for imported oil over locally produced ethanol- I have no problem with a certain amount of experimentation, although I agree that corn to ethanol is kind of dumb-but not all biofuels are dumb.  Nor do I think that the economy will melt down because we don't buy oil from nasty places like the Mideast or Nigeria, propping up their economies.  Besides- think of the savings in defense- we can let the Mideast go to hell the way the people there want it to- and we can save our own peoples lives from not having to defend oil supplier sheiks.

In short- imported oil is a lot more expensive than you think,  The price at the pump doesn't accurately reflect its costs- you need to include a big chunk of our defense budget.  Get rid of the nuclear industry subsidies and the cost of cleaning up coal mines and acid rain and all of a sudden, wind and solar don't look so bad after all.


Sam


You don't see a big deal with the price of oil going higher?  I guess you don't drive to work every day...live in cities like LA, for example, where a car is not a luxury but a necessity.  I guess you are not a small businessman who saw his customers paying $60,70,80 to fill their tanks twice a week...which didn't leave much for "discretionary" money for the kiddies and dinner with the wife.
The people in the U.K., for example pay four times the $2.00/gal I'm paying for gas....that's the price of the "free" healthcare. 

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 3:23:40 PM   
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I`ll settle for throwing a few Exxon execs in jail,taking our stolen money back.


Just a question.....that "stolen money"...can you break down for us how it is spent by ExxonMobil?  If it is stolen...it must be the case that it is used for sinister purposes....so....how is it stolen...detail please....and how is the stolen money spent?

From ABC News......a reality check on the "they stole my money" crowd....and ABC is no friend of big oil....
Fair Share of Profits
For its part, the oil industry concedes that the oil companies are making lots of money, but Rayola Dougher, senior economic advisor at API, the industry's trade and lobbying group, said those companies are also spending billions and billions of dollars. "That's just one part of the story. They are earning a fortune. That's tens of billions of dollars. But they're spending hundreds of billions getting the product to market," Dougher said.

The profits seem so giant, Dougher said, because of the scale of the industry.
But if you take a closer look at each dollar invested and how much is earned, Dougher said the oil industry earns a lot less than some other major industries. API says its members earn about 8.3 cents per dollar invested, compared to 18.4 cents for pharmaceutical manufacturers and 19.1 cents for beverage and tobacco producers.

"A lot of consumers think that [a $2 per gallon run-up in gas prices] is all in profits, it's all going to some fat cats back in some room somewhere," Dougher said. "It's 8 cents. It's fair. The other 92 cents is going back into investments, back into operations, to bring more product back to the market."

So, Who Profits?
 
As for who reaps the biggest reward from these massive quarterly oil profits, many people may imagine a group of oil privileged executives or tycoons. And they do own millions of dollars in stock, but nothing compared to what the rest of the public owns.

For instance, Rex W. Tillerson, chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil, owns more than 900,000 shares of his company's stock, worth more than $84 million, according to SEC filings.

But that is a pittance to mutual fund giant Vanguard which has more than $18 billion in ExxonMobil stock. Most of that is owned by investors in the company's S&P 500 index fund and its total stock market index fund. And it's not just Vanguard. Almost every major mutual fund company owns oil stocks. Two of Fidelity's mutual funds, for example, rank in the top 10 holders of ExxonMobil stock.
The oil companies are "broadly owned by tens of millions of middle-class Americans, anyone with a pension plan or 401(k) or IRA account, a mutual fund," Dougher said. "They're really the owners. So, when their stock portfolios go up, that's really who benefits."

The entire article is found here....

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/IndustryInfo/Story?id=4749343&page=1

Read the entire article.....it also has a large piece about Ed Markey ( a local joke in Massachusetts...) railing on that oil companies should invest more of their profits in renewable energy sources....now follow me on this....

Markey...who thinks oil profits are obscene....and oil companies are bad, bad people...wants these same people to take their profits and develop...and by extension....control....the alternative energy market...lol. HELLOOOOOOO??????????...knock knock....anybody home in there????

So much for uneducated blathering.....

SLIGHTLY RELATED THOUGHT....

By the way....want to put someone in jail?  Start with the tobacco/cigarette executives who knowingly hid research proving addictive qualities of their product and the danger of it...and allowed people to die for decades, for profit. how many billions did they reap killing people? That is first degree murder.

Stolen money at the gas pump?  Look at state and federal gas taxes....

Connecticut collects per gallon at the pump, plus 5% of the wholesale level. Add the 18 cent per gallon federal tax and you have nearly 66 cents per gallon - or about 34% of the cost of a gallon of regular. That does not even count waterways fuel taxes, diesel fuel taxes, home heating oil taxes, taxes on propane, LNG, CNG, natural gas.....and coal. Yes, the taxes are a necessary evil.....but the  Govenment makes a hell of a lot of money on fossil fuels....energy than ExxonMobil does.

As for the wonderful tax arrangement in Kerry...er...Europe or the rest of the world.......the following is of interest:.....from   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_tax

"In some regions of the world, differences in fuel taxes between countries result in a significant level of cross-border purchasing of motor fuel. This is particularly true in Europe, where large differences in fuel taxes, coupled with minimal or no border controls, encourage drivers to cross borders for the sole purpose of filling up their tanks with fuel. Some states, such as Luxembourg, Andorra, Gibraltar, have strategically reduced fuel tax rates to attract more cross-border fill-ups, which ultimately increase tax revenue. Most countries' customs regulations permit the duty-free import of the contents of a vehicle's built-in fuel tank, but there are exceptions. Singaporean customs officials check the fuel gauges of vehicles leaving Singapore and require that the fuel tank be at least three quarters full, in order to limit the importation of lower-taxed fuel from Malaysia. Recently, gas stations in Argentina near the Brazilian border list two different prices for gasoline, one for cars with Argentinian license plates and another one for foreign plates, to restrict Brazilian drivers from buying cheaper fuel in Argentina, generating long lines at the gas stations and driving gas prices up"

Lovely.....

By the way.....Exxon?  Exxon does not exist any longer...it is ExxonMobil and has been for many years.


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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 4:44:36 PM   
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I don't see the big deal with the price of oil being higher.  Europe manages to pay much more per liter than we do, yet until the financial meltdown, they had a nice lifestyle.  Want to save money on gas?  Buy a more fuel efficient vehicle.  Get off your lazy duff and ride a bike or walk....  Carpool....We've got lots of options for progress.  The era of cheap oil is over- now deal with it.

Besides- in contrast to a poster preference for imported oil over locally produced ethanol- I have no problem with a certain amount of experimentation, although I agree that corn to ethanol is kind of dumb-but not all biofuels are dumb.  Nor do I think that the economy will melt down because we don't buy oil from nasty places like the Mideast or Nigeria, propping up their economies.  Besides- think of the savings in defense- we can let the Mideast go to hell the way the people there want it to- and we can save our own peoples lives from not having to defend oil supplier sheiks.

In short- imported oil is a lot more expensive than you think,  The price at the pump doesn't accurately reflect its costs- you need to include a big chunk of our defense budget.  Get rid of the nuclear industry subsidies and the cost of cleaning up coal mines and acid rain and all of a sudden, wind and solar don't look so bad after all.


Sam
Roflmao!
thanks for that ! I needed that !


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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 5:05:29 PM   
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Guess you guys forgot about the 4-5 dollar a gal. gas.

Why is that?

If you have a problem with how Conn. pays for it`s roads,move out or don`t move to Connecticut.

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RE: Per R. Emanuel "Energy prices are too low" - 3/2/2009 5:33:10 PM   
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Guess you guys forgot about the 4-5 dollar a gal. gas.

Why is that?

If you have a problem with how Conn. pays for it`s roads,move out or don`t move to Connecticut.
you mean when a barrel of oil , whos price is set by opec and  the oil refinery companies had to pay their price or not make a product. That time ?
so put opec in jail not the oil refineries.

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