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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 6:46:16 AM   
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This is a con narrative, with no basis in reality and doesn`t excuse the bigotry.

1. "Con narrative"?  You mean that Obama did use his middle name during his campaign, and now isn't using his middle name?

2.  Or are you saying that McCain didn't condemn his supporters who used the "Hussein" name in his support during the campaign?

Care to actually ... well ... you know ... support these claims?

Nah, forget it.  I know you can't prove it, while I have a very good feeling that Mastershake can prove his contentions.


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The "dearest leader"thing was a put-down of his supporters.(a rushism)

uh ... I think that's what Heretic said wasn't it?  So, to clarify ... is this within the acceptable bounds of political dissent or not?


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And there`s no fairness doctrine here.

You need to think about this.  If we agree that there is no "fairness doctrine" here ... what exactly are you bitching about?


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At least not till President Obama gets thousands and thousands of Americans killed or kills an economy, as bush has.

Then one can call him whatever names their hearts desire and still maintain credibility.

Let see if I get this one right ....

According to my interpretation of these last two sentences, it was ok to call Bush insulting names because you disagreed with his policies and actions .... but it's not ok to call Obama by his actual name if you disagree with his policies and actions?

Hypocrisy seems to know no bounds.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 6:50:03 AM   
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"America... just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable"


300 million...


Nope.

305+ million as of right now ...

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 7:20:03 AM   
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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 7:34:10 AM   
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I`ll refer you to the last three words,they apply to you................ And to "The People`s Voice" ,over there.


Being cryptic doesn't help the flow of discussion I'm afraid.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 9:21:21 AM   
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Sooner or later Mr Professor is going to need to take charge and stop blaming others.  Otherwise his attacks against Gilligian will start falling flat.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1883160,00.html

But it's lame for Obama's aides to dismiss the 2009 budget as leftover business from the Bush era. He's the President. He wasn't elected to ignore the leftover business from the Bush era. He ought to be taking heat for punting — not only on the earmarks, but on the other $402 billion worth of government spending.


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If Obama never used his middle name then it would be one thing.  However after he got elected all of a sudden he discovered his middle name.  If you’re going to use it for political gain then be prepared to be a man and face any negative connotations it may come with.     McCain during the campaign attacked anyone who used Obamas middle name while he was around.



This is a con narrative, with no basis in reality and doesn`t excuse the bigotry.

The "dearest leader"thing was a put-down of his supporters.(a rushism)

And there`s no fairness doctrine here.

At least not till President Obama gets thousands and thousands of Americans killed or kills an economy, as bush has.

Then one can call him whatever names their hearts desire and still maintain credibility.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 4:10:39 PM   
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But it's lame for Obama's aides to dismiss the 2009 budget as leftover business from the Bush era. He's the President. He wasn't elected to ignore the leftover business from the Bush era. He ought to be taking heat for punting — not only on the earmarks, but on the other $402 billion worth of government spending.
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Actually, I think the whole earmark issue is the first time Obama discovered that overall, self interest in Washington outweighed national loyalty or party affiliation. The fact is, senators and congressmen are not elected by the national population. They are elected either by state or district. And bringing home the bacon (or the pork) is a damn good way to get re-elected. In fact, one may actually say that it is a senator or congressman's job to bring money (see bacon and pork) back home to his or her constituency.

It is also interesting to note that, despite their cries of waste and their sudden pretense that they view pork with the same distaste as an orthodox rabbi, 40% of the earmarks in the new budget were brought to the table by republicans.

If people want to cut the earmarks (not always a good thing despite their demonization by the party out of power) then the place to start is with their state representatives to the legislature....or else to finally give the president the line item veto power that has been discussed for decades.


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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 4:47:43 PM   
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Any chance you are going to address my questions and points to you, in post 228?

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 6:00:02 PM   
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But it's lame for Obama's aides to dismiss the 2009 budget as leftover business from the Bush era. He's the President. He wasn't elected to ignore the leftover business from the Bush era. He ought to be taking heat for punting — not only on the earmarks, but on the other $402 billion worth of government spending.
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Actually, I think the whole earmark issue is the first time Obama discovered that overall, self interest in Washington outweighed national loyalty or party affiliation. The fact is, senators and congressmen are not elected by the national population. They are elected either by state or district. And bringing home the bacon (or the pork) is a damn good way to get re-elected. In fact, one may actually say that it is a senator or congressman's job to bring money (see bacon and pork) back home to his or her constituency.

It is also interesting to note that, despite their cries of waste and their sudden pretense that they view pork with the same distaste as an orthodox rabbi, 40% of the earmarks in the new budget were brought to the table by republicans.

If people want to cut the earmarks (not always a good thing despite their demonization by the party out of power) then the place to start is with their state representatives to the legislature....or else to finally give the president the line item veto power that has been discussed for decades.



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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 7:37:06 PM   
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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 7:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The headbutting within the Republican party is spreading. Meghan McCain's blog is making a few wavelets out there in the journalistic swamp pit.

"Ann Coulter is a nasty, hate-spewing train wreck whose stature in the Republican Party is a recipe for disaster, Meghan McCain blasted in an online essay posted Monday.

"I straight up don't understand this woman or her popularity. I find her offensive, radical, insulting, and confusing all at the same time," wrote the straight talking daughter of former GOP presidential candidate John McCain in her latest essay on the Daily Beast Web site.

"Everything about her is extreme: her voice, her interview tactics, and especially the public statements she makes about liberals," McCain wrote. "Maybe her popularity stems from the fact that watching her is sometimes like watching a train wreck."

Meghan, a Republican with a heart, and a soul :-) ! There is hope after all.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/09/2009-03-09_young_mac_attack_mccains_daughter_meghan-1.html

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 9:10:31 PM   
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Perhaps the Limbaugh syndrome is contagious  ?

Christ I hope not. I hate large collections of people as it is. If they belch and sneeze the Limbaugh disease, I'll never go out.

There goes my career as a rock star.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 9:17:13 PM   
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Steele met with Rush over the weekend.Here are his comments....


So .... rather than address or answer any of my points to your earlier posts, you are just going to blithely ignore them, and start all over again with another Democratic Party inspired media event that attempts to follow the Alinsky techniques of personal destruction?

Ya know ... rather than address issue of substance, and such?

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 9:23:35 PM   
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"... is a nasty, hate-spewing train wreck ...

"I straight up don't understand this woman or her popularity. I find her offensive, radical, insulting, and confusing all at the same time,"

"Everything about her is extreme: her voice, her interview tactics, and especially the public statements she makes .... Maybe her popularity stems from the fact that watching her is sometimes like watching a train wreck."


hmmm ... she must have gotten confused.

Sounds more like Jeanne Garofalo.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 9:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ann coulter has always attacked john McCain and its natural for McCains daughter to come to his defense.  ANn and many conservatives viewed McCain as a weak candidate.  Many conservatives believed that liberals had interfered in the republican primaries and voted for McCain.  How in the world was the guy who supported illegal’s able to win this past primaries??? That’s why operation chaos took place from Rush Limbaugh after McCain became the republican’s guy.  It was payback against democrat’s interference; also republicans knew the only one willing to fight hard against Obama would be Hillary Clinton.  Going by the weak campaign run by john McCain they were right.

The reason why ann is viewed so badly by those on the left is she uses many of the same tactics liberals use against republicans.  Its never ok for liberals when the shoe is on the other foot ;)


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The headbutting within the Republican party is spreading. Meghan McCain's blog is making a few wavelets out there in the journalistic swamp pit.

"Ann Coulter is a nasty, hate-spewing train wreck whose stature in the Republican Party is a recipe for disaster, Meghan McCain blasted in an online essay posted Monday.

"I straight up don't understand this woman or her popularity. I find her offensive, radical, insulting, and confusing all at the same time," wrote the straight talking daughter of former GOP presidential candidate John McCain in her latest essay on the Daily Beast Web site.

"Everything about her is extreme: her voice, her interview tactics, and especially the public statements she makes about liberals," McCain wrote. "Maybe her popularity stems from the fact that watching her is sometimes like watching a train wreck."

Meghan, a Republican with a heart, and a soul :-) ! There is hope after all.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/03/09/2009-03-09_young_mac_attack_mccains_daughter_meghan-1.html

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 10:34:41 PM   
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Assuming that "only" 37% of Rush's audience are college educated, how do the other surveyed media rank?  Let's take the ones that are generally seen as "liberal":

NPR: 38% ... likely within the margin of error, don't you think?

The Daily Show: 37%.  hmmm, I guess if Rush's audience is uneducated ... so are the fans of The Daily Show, huh?

NewsHour: 30% ... OMG ... obvious idiots, huh?!

Nightly Network News: 20% ... ooohhhh, scrapping the bottom of the barrel, now, aren't we?

Larry King Live: 30% ... no comment .... too many women ...

Letterman/Leno: 24% .... more likely Leno has a higher share of the educated audience than Letterman, but that just a guess ...

MSNBC: 31% ... go figure ...


Bottom line ... you are seeing and saying what you want, not what actually is.




Apparently you missed this other thing I said:

"Its interesting how all "gripe media" programs bring such a small percentage of college educated audiences, and a corresponding high percentage of non-college types. "


You are asserting that Limbaugh is really on top of the sector of media that is of limited interest to most educated people.  You are asserting he attracts more smart people in a sector that has limited participation by smart people.
And somehow, in your head, he wins?

I guess so.... lol




Let's see, Rush's audience has a 37% college degree rate, while Americans overall have a 27-28% college degree rate, which would mean that YES he does attract a higher percent overall of college educated listeners as compared with overall demographics. 

Do you not understand stats and demographics?

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 10:38:00 PM   
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And, just out of curiosity ... why is an older audience a negative, in any case?



I think the older, less educated audiences who tune into these types of shows generally have 2 issues, either they hold contempt against change and progress, or they have misgivings about their own life choices in the past not being as productive for them as it is for the younger generations, like in having regrets for not getting that college education and losing out on the earnings power over many years that a degree represented.

It alot about 'politics of envy', but not in an "I want that, too" way, but in a "they shouldnt have more than what I had" way.

I come to this conclusion from personal experince.


Again, simple demographics explains why the greater percent of his audience is older. 

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 10:40:05 PM   
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I think the older, less educated audiences who tune into these types of shows ...

And here is another of your assumptions, which I've already dis-proved, but you insist on continuing to believe and use in your defense.



Please tell me how when no show in that list gets 50% or more of an audience with a college education, just how have you "disproved" my assumption that they all are shows that aim for the uneducated? 

Lets see your magic. :)





Because 50% of Americans do NOT hold a college degree.  The percent is 27-28%.  So demographically, it would not be expected that his audience would be that different from the overall demographics. 

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/9/2009 10:52:48 PM   
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I skimmed down thru this thread, read many of the posts. I come away with the same impression I always do when I read attacks on Rush: most of his attackers concentrate on the personal (he's fat, was addicted to painkillers, whatever), or his style. Few have much experience with the actual show; fewer attack his positions with any degree of specificity; fewer still attack his overall philosophy. Plus ca change...


specficity?....He wants the President of the United States to fail and has said so loudly!....Specifically I disagree with his rather asinine opinion!....specifically....his loud and obnoxious ways are irritating and he pisses people off so bad with the way he says things it takes little to dislike anything else about him. The reaction he brings is exactly what he wants and it is ridiculous to give him the satisfaction of all of the free publicity.
As for the rest....tough to feel sorry for him when he is as pompous as he is, even for the drug addiction issues...his
obesity is far too easy to take a shot at.....how could anyone miss?.....


I believe what he said was that he wanted Obama to fail in enacting his policies.  Which makes sense, as he does not agree with his policies.  Why should he be expected to wish for successful implimentation of policies that he does not believe in. 

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/10/2009 12:11:21 AM   
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I skimmed down thru this thread, read many of the posts. I come away with the same impression I always do when I read attacks on Rush: most of his attackers concentrate on the personal (he's fat, was addicted to painkillers, whatever), or his style. Few have much experience with the actual show; fewer attack his positions with any degree of specificity; fewer still attack his overall philosophy. Plus ca change...


specficity?....He wants the President of the United States to fail and has said so loudly!....Specifically I disagree with his rather asinine opinion!....specifically....his loud and obnoxious ways are irritating and he pisses people off so bad with the way he says things it takes little to dislike anything else about him. The reaction he brings is exactly what he wants and it is ridiculous to give him the satisfaction of all of the free publicity.
As for the rest....tough to feel sorry for him when he is as pompous as he is, even for the drug addiction issues...his
obesity is far too easy to take a shot at.....how could anyone miss?.....


I believe what he said was that he wanted Obama to fail in enacting his policies.  Which makes sense, as he does not agree with his policies.  Why should he be expected to wish for successful implimentation of policies that he does not believe in. 


Bull shit.

Rush labeled the President`s policies as socialism(more bull shit) and then used that lame excuse to try to weasel out of his own poop.

Even Newty,lol thinks the man is irrational....

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/10/2009 1:16:53 AM   
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http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2009/03/02/gingrich-the-phrasemaker-on-european-socialism/

It means declaring war, as Newt Gingrich, the movement’s guiding light, did here Friday, on Obama’s “European socialism transplanted to Washington” — a phrase fast seeping into the conservative lexicon. (Gingrich also deplored “the Bush-Obama big spending program,

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20113566,00.html

Inside the Beltway, some Republicans are furious with Gingrich's decision to break ranks with Bush. "He's made it difficult for the President to lead," says Marge Roukema, a moderate Republican from New Jersey. "There's a place in the party for bomb throwers, but not in the official leadership." Some conservatives disagree. "Newt is the voice of the grassroots populist conservative voters who supported Reagan," says GOP direct-mail specialist Richard Viguerie.

Hardly bashful about his ambitions, Gingrich acknowledges that his aim is to help lead the Republicans into the majority in the House and then eventually be elected Speaker. When the subject of a possible presidential bid comes up, he gently deflects the question, without denying that the thought has crossed his mind. "My style is to stay on the offensive," he says, "to take risks, to recover very fast when you make a mistake, but to keep moving forward."




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I skimmed down thru this thread, read many of the posts. I come away with the same impression I always do when I read attacks on Rush: most of his attackers concentrate on the personal (he's fat, was addicted to painkillers, whatever), or his style. Few have much experience with the actual show; fewer attack his positions with any degree of specificity; fewer still attack his overall philosophy. Plus ca change...


specficity?....He wants the President of the United States to fail and has said so loudly!....Specifically I disagree with his rather asinine opinion!....specifically....his loud and obnoxious ways are irritating and he pisses people off so bad with the way he says things it takes little to dislike anything else about him. The reaction he brings is exactly what he wants and it is ridiculous to give him the satisfaction of all of the free publicity.
As for the rest....tough to feel sorry for him when he is as pompous as he is, even for the drug addiction issues...his
obesity is far too easy to take a shot at.....how could anyone miss?.....


I believe what he said was that he wanted Obama to fail in enacting his policies.  Which makes sense, as he does not agree with his policies.  Why should he be expected to wish for successful implimentation of policies that he does not believe in. 


Bull shit.

Rush labeled the President`s policies as socialism(more bull shit) and then used that lame excuse to try to weasel out of his own poop.

Even Newty,lol thinks the man is irrational....

Enjoy,...republicans...

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