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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/10/2009 10:09:24 PM

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Nice use of the smileys, O59. But it really goes both ways. I can't wait to see the blame flying on the left here in another 19 months.

Crazy thought, here. Maybe if you are going to reply to me, try addressing one thing I said.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/10/2009 11:07:08 PM

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didnt liberals give McCain grief saying he couldnt run for president because he wasnt born in the USA ;)
what goes around comes around :)

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according to Hawaiian law at the time his mother was too young (by three months) to convey U.S. citizenship status to him.
NObama is a FRAUD

I see the other lie is already dealt with so I'll just handle this one. Hawai'i became a state on August 29, 1959. Therefore in 1961 when President Obama was born Hawai'i was already a state and everyone born in any US state is automatically a US citizen. BTW the law you're misusing wasn't a Hawi'i law but a federal law governing citizenship of children born to US citizens while outside the USA.

Just to show how absurd this whole controbersy is here's the birth announcement from the local paper, produced automatically by the paper from hospital data.
http://file.sunshinepress.org:54445/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf

President Obama is a natural born US citizen and meets the qualifications laid out in the Constitution for holding the office.

I certainly don't know of any mainstream liberals or leftists who said anything about it until the nutters started going after Obama. What is actually troubling is that it is arguable that McCain isn't a natural born citizen.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

Now I personally think that a child of a US serviceman born on a US base should count as a natural born citizen but McCain's status is questionable in a strictly legal sense.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 5:18:54 AM

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Fast reply: it was all about the money.

"One of the missteps that had committee members and party strategists most concerned was when Steele seemed to dismiss Rush Limbaugh, the talk radio host. Limbaugh fired back, saying on his show that a significant number of his listeners would not contribute to the RNC.

The Steele-Limbaugh controversy was parodied in a biting sketch on NBC’s “Saturday Night Live” this weekend, a skit of which many Republicans took note.

The incident, said another prominent RNC member, would cost the party a significant amount of money from small-dollar contributors who listen to Limbaugh’s show. The RNC has counted on money from Limbaugh’s fans for decades.

Republican strategists fret that fundraising will slow significantly under Steele."

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/-2009-03-09.html

Raising money is by far the main job of the party chairman. Ours or yours.
Steele also needs to convince the various state parties to change to closed primaries so that Dims don't cross over to nominate weak-assed Rinos like McLame; but that's another story.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 7:06:03 AM

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Do you not see it is a little scary that someone who makes his living off of sensationalism is granted this much respect by one of our two major political parties?

No. I see Steele's apology as both real and therefore refreshing.
I see as scary the left's total capitulation to G Soros.

There are many wealthy people who make large donations to both sides, so you are going to have to elaborate on how anyone is capitulating to George Soros.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 7:22:22 AM

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I skimmed down thru this thread, read many of the posts. I come away with the same impression I always do when I read attacks on Rush: most of his attackers concentrate on the personal (he's fat, was addicted to painkillers, whatever), or his style. Few have much experience with the actual show; fewer attack his positions with any degree of specificity; fewer still attack his overall philosophy. Plus ca change...

To begin, why should any one lower themselves to debating whether the political positions or "philosophy" of some loudmouth "shock jock" are valid or not?

The point is there are certain people, who shall remain nameless, who actually give this man credibility.

He's in the same vein as Stern and Imus. Amusing, but scary to think anyone would take them seriously.

By the way, I don't think anyone would have attacked him on his painkiller addiction (and illegal activities to obtain those painkillers) if he hadn't spoken out for years saying there should be no mercy for addicts and they should do jail time.

Funny though, I don't remember seeing Rush in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 9:00:25 AM

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I skimmed down thru this thread, read many of the posts. I come away with the same impression I always do when I read attacks on Rush: most of his attackers concentrate on the personal (he's fat, was addicted to painkillers, whatever), or his style. Few have much experience with the actual show; fewer attack his positions with any degree of specificity; fewer still attack his overall philosophy. Plus ca change...

To begin, why should any one lower themselves to debating whether the political positions or "philosophy" of some loudmouth "shock jock" are valid or not?

The point is there are certain people, who shall remain nameless, who actually give this man credibility.

He's in the same vein as Stern and Imus. Amusing, but scary to think anyone would take them seriously.

By the way, I don't think anyone would have attacked him on his painkiller addiction (and illegal activities to obtain those painkillers) if he hadn't spoken out for years saying there should be no mercy for addicts and they should do jail time.

Funny though, I don't remember seeing Rush in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit.

First, let me say that I thoroughly enjoy Rush. I "get" his sense of humor, usually, and invariably appreciate his optimism and patriotism. I agree with him on many issues, disagree with him on some.

On attacking Rush for his addiction to painkillers- By the same logic I'm sure there's not a cretin in the country who would have attacked Sarah Palin for having a Down's Syndrome child had she not previously spoken out against others in similar circumstances; and people ridicule RL's weight only because he makes fat jokes.

You may not have seen Rush in cuffs and orange, but it certainly wan't for a lack of persecutorial zeal.

To whom do you believe we should "give credibility"? Who do you think we should "take seriously"? It certainly seems to me that his detractors take him more seriously than most of us fans.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 9:51:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I skimmed down thru this thread, read many of the posts. I come away with the same impression I always do when I read attacks on Rush: most of his attackers concentrate on the personal (he's fat, was addicted to painkillers, whatever), or his style. Few have much experience with the actual show; fewer attack his positions with any degree of specificity; fewer still attack his overall philosophy. Plus ca change...

To begin, why should any one lower themselves to debating whether the political positions or "philosophy" of some loudmouth "shock jock" are valid or not?

The point is there are certain people, who shall remain nameless, who actually give this man credibility.

He's in the same vein as Stern and Imus. Amusing, but scary to think anyone would take them seriously.

By the way, I don't think anyone would have attacked him on his painkiller addiction (and illegal activities to obtain those painkillers) if he hadn't spoken out for years saying there should be no mercy for addicts and they should do jail time.

Funny though, I don't remember seeing Rush in handcuffs and an orange jumpsuit.

First, let me say that I thoroughly enjoy Rush. I "get" his sense of humor, usually, and invariably appreciate his optimism and patriotism. I agree with him on many issues, disagree with him on some.

On attacking Rush for his addiction to painkillers- By the same logic I'm sure there's not a cretin in the country who would have attacked Sarah Palin for having a Down's Syndrome child had she not previously spoken out against others in similar circumstances; and people ridicule RL's weight only because he makes fat jokes.

You may not have seen Rush in cuffs and orange, but it certainly wan't for a lack of persecutorial zeal.

To whom do you believe we should "give credibility"? Who do you think we should "take seriously"? It certainly seems to me that his detractors take him more seriously than most of us fans.

If you`re a listener as you claim,you may have been listening during the weeks around Gerry Garcia`s death,and heard the disgusting things Rush and the rush`ns were saying about Garcia,drug use and addiction.I can only describe the verbiage as tragic.This was before it was known that Rush was buying/taking scipt meds,illegally.

It`s the hypocrisy folks don`t like and won`t tolerate.And why he`s fair game to be called a druggy lawbreaker who got preferential treatment.

If he`s going to fight dirty,then damm he`s going to be fought dirty.So please spare us calling him a victim or righteous or above the fray.

He`s none of those things.He`s an elitist thug with a small army of loud-mouths,akin to Louis Farrakhan.

Just before Rush was caught buying illegal drugs,he shared with his audience that he was going deaf.I really felt bad for the man,as I would almost anyone.I recall listeners calling in with well wishes,and Rush soaking it all in.

Then I heard about the drug thing and Rush and that Oxiconton addicts often loose part or all of their hearing.

I still feel bad for anyone suffering,but dammit,you best get off your high-horse if one`s going to pontificate.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 10:17:54 AM

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First, let me say that I thoroughly enjoy Rush. I "get" his sense of humor, usually, and invariably appreciate his optimism and patriotism. I agree with him on many issues, disagree with him on some.

That's good. Entertainers that you like should be enjoyed.

I thoroughly enjoy Howard Stern.

The only difference here is I realize Stern is a comedian who will do and say anything to attract an audience and boost ratings.

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On attacking Rush for his addiction to painkillers- By the same logic I'm sure there's not a cretin in the country who would have attacked Sarah Palin for having a Down's Syndrome child had she not previously spoken out against others in similar circumstances; and people ridicule RL's weight only because he makes fat jokes.

There's no logic in what you just said. You're trying to stretch the argument to include things not directly pertinent while completely evading the issue of Limbaugh's blatant hypocrisy.

Also, to clarify, this was not just a simple case of addiction, (although by Rush's proclaimed standard all addicts should be jailed) it was a case of illegally obtaining prescription drugs, something he would have crucified anyone else over.

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You may not have seen Rush in cuffs and orange, but it certainly wan't for a lack of persecutorial zeal.

I'm assuming you mean the zealousness of the Palm Beach County prosecutor's office.

Doctor-shopping is the practice of secretly obtaining prescriptions from multiple doctors in order to obtain excessive amounts of drugs. It is a third-degree felony under Florida Statutes 893.13(7)(a)(8) and 893.13(7)(c). The practice is punishable by up to five years in prison and up to a $5,000 fine.
(Media Matters - O'Reilly attempted to minimize alleged Limbaugh ...)

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To whom do you believe we should "give credibility"? Who do you think we should "take seriously"? It certainly seems to me that his detractors take him more seriously than most of us fans.

No, it seems the Republican Party takes him pretty seriously when any of the party's elite that dares criticize him is forced to tuck their tail between their legs and humbly apologize days later.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 10:20:54 AM

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It's the racism and hatred that make me dislike the man (remember 'Barack the magic negro' ? Talk about adding more to the shit heap of racism in this country). Thankfully, the portion of the conservative electorate that is entertained by hatred and xenophobia is dying. One day, eventually, Limbaugh will be quiet for eternity. As for his legacy, he will have none: he will be seen as an unfortunate cultural incident.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 10:42:41 AM

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and what are the words to Barack the magic negro????

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 10:46:26 AM

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Don't ask me, ask Shanklin, the son of a bitch who wrote it.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 10:51:27 AM

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Just remember the words used by Joe Biden and other liberals who were supporting other democrats before Obama won the democrat nomination.
highlighted words are key ;)

(sung by an Al Sharpton impersonator)

Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times they called him that
cause he's not authentic like me.

Yeah the guy from the L.A. paper
said he made guilty whites feel good
they'll vote for him and not for me
cause hes not from da hood.

See, real black men like snoop dogg
or me or Farrakhan
have talked the talk and walked the walk
not come and laid and won (not sure about this line).

Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times they called him that
cause he's not authentic like me
cause hes black but not authentically.

Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times they called him that
cause he's not authentic like me
cause hes black but not authentically.

Some say Barack's articulate
and bright and new and clean
the media sure love this guy
a white interloper's dream.

But when you vote for president
watch out and don't be fooled
don't vote the magic negro in
cause...

(background singing the first 3 lines, while the singer is saying)

Cause I wont have nothing after all these years of sacrifice and I wont get justice this is about justice this is about justice, buffet, I don't have no buffet there wont be any church contributions there'll be no cash in the collection plate, no cash money, no walkin' around money...

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 10:53:23 AM

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 10:58:26 AM

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Yes EEEEW that is your VP Joe Biden being quoted ;)

does this make Joe Biden a racist??? or does it make rush a racist for quoting Joe Biden ;)

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 10:59:47 AM

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I think I lost 5 IQ points after reading that.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 11:02:39 AM

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Such tactics are the fruits of the labour of Lee Atwater: it's sad, very, very sad

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 11:08:10 AM

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where the song roots came from ;)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/
Biden's description of Obama draws scrutiny POSTED: 11:12 a.m. EST, February 9, 2007
• Biden called Obama first "clean" African-American candidate
• Biden said comments were taken out of context
• Obama not offended by comments but called them "historically inaccurate"
• Jesse Jackson said comments were "highly suggestive" but not "off-color"

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Joe Biden planned to spend Wednesday focusing on his official announcement that he was running for president, but the Delaware Democrat instead found himself defending remarks he made to the New York Observer about his Democratic opponents.
In the article published Wednesday, Biden is quoted evaluating presidential rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, former Sen. John Edwards, D-North Carolina, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois. His remarks about Obama, the only African-American serving in the Senate, drew the most scrutiny."I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." (Watch Biden's comments and Obama's reaction

)

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center
Obama the 'Magic Negro' The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man. By David Ehrenstein, L.A.-based DAVID EHRENSTEIN writes about Hollywood and politics.
March 19, 2007 AS EVERY CARBON-BASED life form on this planet surely knows, Barack Obama, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, is running for president. Since making his announcement, there has been no end of commentary about him in all quarters — musing over his charisma and the prospect he offers of being the first African American to be elected to the White House.

But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro."The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. "He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist," reads the description on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro .

He's there to assuage white "guilt" (i.e., the minimal discomfort they feel) over the role of slavery and racial segregation in American history, while replacing stereotypes of a dangerous, highly sexualized black man with a benign figure for whom interracial sexual congress holds no interest.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 11:09:35 AM

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Yes EEEEW that is your VP Joe Biden being quoted ;)

does this make Joe Biden a racist??? or does it make rush a racist for quoting Joe Biden ;)

What exactly was the quote and the source?

The whole thing, as well as your point, has me pretty confused.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 11:12:34 AM

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The song was inspired by a LA Times editorial written by David Ehrenstein:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,3391015.story

As the editorial explains, the 'Magic Negro' is a stock character in films. It's the benevolent black character who sacrifices his own self interest to help out the main white character. The writer did make that reference in regards to Barack Obama's candidacy.

I don't see the song as inheritantly racist. It's just a silly, little diddy that you would hear non-political radio hosts playing.

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RE: Limbaugh's latest attacker: RNC's Steele - 3/11/2009 11:14:17 AM

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hmmmm where was the protests and/or threats by the NAACP against the LA TIMES?????

but make a cartoon that some might interpret to be Obama and they go after the cartoonist and the newspaper
the word DOUBESTANDARD could be used here ;)

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