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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Yeah.

Lincoln was a real bastard.

He actually did it (Pretty much destroy the Union, from what I understand.), while Bush et al only discussed it.

Firm

What Lincoln did was wrong as well, and Bush didn't just discuss it but did the same, depending on your interpretation of the law.

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

John Yoo is a very scary individual. I met him at a lecture and he is almost glacial in demeanor. 

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ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland

No real surprises right? Any sane person knew he was the most unpatriotic lunatic sadistic asshole the US has ever seen. Maybe we will eventually make inroads into the entire Bush Cabal being charged with war crimes.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Wasn't Lincoln a Republican?... That aside I think there is a difference between an army 10 miles from the Capitol and a terrorist attack when it comes to civil liberties ...don't you?

Butch

• American Airlines Flight 11 (crashed into the WTC): 92 (including five terrorists)
  
• United Airlines Flight 175 (crashed into the WTC): 65 (including five terrorists)
  
• American Airlines Flight 77 (crashed into the Pentagon): 64 (including five terrorists)
  
• United Flight 93 (downed in Shanksville, PA): 45 (including four terrorists)

• 343 NYFD firefighters and paramedics
  
• 23 NYPD police officers
  
• 37 Port Authority police officers
  
• 1,402 people in Tower 1
  
• 614 people in Tower 2
  
• 658 people at one company, Cantor Fitzgerald

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Kdsub, Lincoln didn't suspend Habeus Corpus because of the Confederacy.  He suspended it because of Union sympathizers, otherwise known as "Copperheads."  Union generals wanted to hang them without the fuss of jury trials.  In the same vein, the Bush administration was worried about people inside the U.S. working with these fanatical pricks.  I wonder why they might worry about that....hmmm.   John Walker Lindh, Adam Gadhan (the little punk turned bearded Islamist that makes videos for these assholes.).  You know people like that, or terrorist cells operating in the U.S. 

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

John Yoo is a very scary individual. I met him at a lecture and he is almost glacial in demeanor. 

I think they all were pretty scary in trying to put forth the idea that the President can override the Constitution.

Yeah.

Lincoln was a real bastard.

He actually did it (Pretty much destroy the Union, from what I understand.), while Bush et al only discussed it.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr

Bill Clinton I can see, I mean I know that he did some things that made his actual impeachment trial seem a sad joke, but Obama hasnt been in office long enough to seriously fuck up yet.
One other thing, at least when Clinton left the unemployment rate wasnt nearly as bad as it is now... Maybe im a selfish prick but I dont care what our leaders do to other countries nearly as much as I care what they do to the one they are supposed to be leading.

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ORIGINAL: corysub

And assholes in this country are concerned with the civil rights of "terrorists" well fuck them ..!
Only three were waterboarded ....  It should have been hundreds...and than they should have been shot or burned alive, crushed, or thrown off a tall building like those poor people that day.  WE are at war with people who want to destroy us..and we have a President who is blind to the risk, releases CIA documents to a civil law suit, (and what do you think that message is to people at the CIA working to prevent more attacks on US)...and millions of drones who would trade the life of one terrorist for that of George Bush being held in prison for life! 

The country deserves every bit of pain we are going through.  We don't appreciate the wonder of our country.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Have you thought how this radical change in U.S. policy can be used as justification by other nations for launching their own invasions? "

You know Vladimir Putin has said exactly that to the media, in public and all. Other countries are pissed, not pissed enough to drop bombs, but they are very unhappy with us. And now the failed economic policies are dragging down other countries' economies, they are not all happy about that either.

We have never had so many enemies, and now it appears that we better watch our friends. THAT'S why we couldn't have McCain, no matter how bad Obama may be.

T

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fr

The President does have the power to override the Constitution due to Admiralty Maritime Jurisdiction, which has been in place all of our lives. That is unless you are seventy six years of age or older.

T

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Corysub would you like me to list all the military and civilian casualties of the Civil War... there was a difference..one demanded survival actions while the other didn't.. that is my point.

Butch