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rulemylife -> RE: # # Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 9:53:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

The treatment of the prisoners?  Have you thought about how we will not be able to claim torture when our own troops are subjected to waterboarding and sleep deprivation?



   Jesus-holy-fucking-Christ RML!  You've achieved a new personal best in completely ignorant statements.  Do you have any idea how Americans are treated when captured?

   Sleep deprivation and waterboarding....   Un-fucking-believable.  There is probably a way to tell you just how stupid your post is, without hearing from XI, but I have no idea what that might be right at the moment.


Uh yeah, ok.

Sorry, not in the mood for another pissing contest today.

Speak to the issue or don't address me.




rulemylife -> RE: Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 10:04:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


Fair enough, this; "Obama also said that between 35,000 and 50,000 troops will initially remain there to help train Iraqi forces and undertake counter-terrorism missions." has no withdraw deadline.

Same source: WE'LL BE THERE A WHILE 


Yes, and he always clearly said throughout the campaign a security force would be left in place.

I didn't expect quite as high a number either, but apparently that was influenced by what the military felt was necessary.

It's still an improvement over 120,000 - 160,000 as we have had.






Mercnbeth -> RE: Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 11:25:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Fair enough, this; "Obama also said that between 35,000 and 50,000 troops will initially remain there to help train Iraqi forces and undertake counter-terrorism missions." has no withdraw deadline.
Same source: WE'LL BE THERE A WHILE 


Yes, and he always clearly said throughout the campaign a security force would be left in place.
I didn't expect quite as high a number either, but apparently that was influenced by what the military felt was necessary.
It's still an improvement over 120,000 - 160,000 as we have had.
'

Okay, so until 2010 minimum we're at 120,000 in Iraq (using the low number); currently we also have 38,000 in Afghanistan, with a recently made commitment for 17,000 more bringing that total of 55,000 by year ending 2009.

So if everything works out perfectly the 'best case' scenario projected by this Administration is that after 2010 'ONLY' 90,000 US Troops will be occupying foreign soil - BEST case. Care to speculate on the odds of 'Best Case' occuring?

Until the first one is returned will have, at minimum, 175,000 troops deployed; 120,000 (your number) in Iraq, and the escalation to 55,000 in Afghanistan.

Your okay with this because it's now President Obama? The rhetoric of Candidate Obama should be considered invalid now on this matter since he obtained the goal he wanted from it?

Don't worry - you are NOT alone. Not one peep from the Berkley, Columbia, or any 'anti-war' crowds. They are still drunk on their social engineering agenda coming to power and choose to ignore, what amounts to, the largest total US troop deployment since the Vietnam era.

This isn't directed to you personally, but for the left - Hypocrisy be damned if a bigger agenda is being served - huh?

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The president last week decided the U.S. will send 17,000 additional U.S. combat and support troops to Afghanistan. In a statement he said the deployment was “necessary to stabilize a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, which has not received the strategic attention, direction and resources it urgently requires.”
The U.S. has about 38,000 personnel in Afghanistan, and about 32,000 troops from other NATO members also are in the country.   US TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN




rulemylife -> RE: Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 1:28:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


Yes, and he always clearly said throughout the campaign a security force would be left in place.
I didn't expect quite as high a number either, but apparently that was influenced by what the military felt was necessary.
It's still an improvement over 120,000 - 160,000 as we have had.
'

Okay, so until 2010 minimum we're at 120,000 in Iraq (using the low number); currently we also have 38,000 in Afghanistan, with a recently made commitment for 17,000 more bringing that total of 55,000 by year ending 2009.

So if everything works out perfectly the 'best case' scenario projected by this Administration is that after 2010 'ONLY' 90,000 US Troops will be occupying foreign soil - BEST case. Care to speculate on the odds of 'Best Case' occuring?

Until the first one is returned will have, at minimum, 175,000 troops deployed; 120,000 (your number) in Iraq, and the escalation to 55,000 in Afghanistan.

Your okay with this because it's now President Obama? The rhetoric of Candidate Obama should be considered invalid now on this matter since he obtained the goal he wanted from it?

Don't worry - you are NOT alone. Not one peep from the Berkley, Columbia, or any 'anti-war' crowds. They are still drunk on their social engineering agenda coming to power and choose to ignore, what amounts to, the largest total US troop deployment since the Vietnam era.

This isn't directed to you personally, but for the left - Hypocrisy be damned if a bigger agenda is being served - huh?

quote:

The president last week decided the U.S. will send 17,000 additional U.S. combat and support troops to Afghanistan. In a statement he said the deployment was “necessary to stabilize a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, which has not received the strategic attention, direction and resources it urgently requires.”
The U.S. has about 38,000 personnel in Afghanistan, and about 32,000 troops from other NATO members also are in the country.   US TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN



I'm ok with it because I've always believed one of the few things Bush did right was going into Afghanistan.

The problem was he never committed enough troops to get us in and out quickly, instead diverting to Iraq.

Afghanistan was where our problem was, and is growing again.

Meanwhile we created another situation in Iraq that has to be dealt with.

Hussein was largely marginalized by the sanctions and his was a secular government that viewed the Islamist radicals as a threat to his own rule.  There was little likelihood that he would have supported them.

But now we've created the power vacuum in that country Bush Sr. worried about, and ended the Gulf War because of before taking out Hussein.






Mercnbeth -> RE: Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 1:59:30 PM)

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I'm ok with it because I've always believed one of the few things Bush did right was going into Afghanistan.
The problem was he never committed enough troops to get us in and out quickly, instead diverting to Iraq.
Afghanistan was where our problem was, and is growing again.


Whether we agree or not in total, one of your points was just raised in another thread.

It seems that the problem you identify in Iraq is being repeated in Afghanistan...

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United States President Barack Obama decided to approve only 17,000 of the 30,000 troops requested by General David McKiernan, the top commander of US and North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops in Afghanistan, and General David Petraeus, the Central Command chief, after McKiernan was unable to tell him how they would be used, according to White House sources.

But Obama is likely to be pressured by McKiernan and the Joint Chiefs to approve the remaining 13,000 troops requested after the completion of an Afghanistan-Pakistan policy review next month. Source: NOT ENOUGH TO DO THE JOB 


The Administration, so far, has not supplied the troops that General Petraeus requested. Think there will be a different result on a different battleground?




TheHeretic -> RE: # # Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 5:53:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Speak to the issue or don't address me.



      To rip off a familiar phrase I'm fond of, all that is necessary for ignorance to prevail is for those who know better to keep their mouths shut.

     In other words, RML, dream on.




rulemylife -> RE: Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 6:22:02 PM)

Well, if I'm not mistaken, we have never had more than 17,000 troops ever in Afghanistan, so doubling the troop strength there is at least a good start, if not all the military requested.




rulemylife -> RE: # # Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 6:28:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Speak to the issue or don't address me.



     To rip off a familiar phrase I'm fond of, all that is necessary for ignorance to prevail is for those who know better to keep their mouths shut.

    In other words, RML, dream on.



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Reread above.




TheUtopian -> RE: # # Obama releases secret Bush anti-terror memos (3/4/2009 6:37:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni

John Yoo is a very scary individual. I met him at a lecture and he is almost glacial in demeanor. 


You can say that again. I'd like to sneak into his bedroom at 3:00 am and smother him with a pillow.

This takes the notion of the '' Unitary Executive '' to brand new heights....






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