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Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 5:23:52 PM   
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WINNIPEG, Manitoba (AP) ―


A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.

"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child."

The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.

Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."

"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.

Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.

He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release into the community.

DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be locked up for the rest of his life.

Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.

That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.

Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.

An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.

Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him. 
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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 5:33:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		He's crazy, no doubt about it.  But a yearly review?  Yeah, that's completely ridiculous.  He should never step off the grounds of the funny farm ever again. 

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 5:39:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The scary thing is that story could have come from Detroit, or New York,or Tampa, or any city in the States.  Of course the guy was mentally unstable.  Who in his right mind would kill a man on a bus and cut him into pieces!  You should be incarcerated for the rest of his life in solitary confinement. 

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 5:47:41 PM   
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This is ridiculous. He should be locked up for the ENTIRETY that he would be even if he was competent, AND treated at the same time.

Then again, I also would vote to send this guy to get a lethal injection, too. Someone who *can't* appreciate the fact that he murdered someone is more scary than someone who *can*. If anything mental illness that induces criminal behavior would be a further reason TO send him away (or put him down) to me... for as long as possible.

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 5:53:21 PM   
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Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.


the judge could not rule any differently with both the prosecution and defense agreeing


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High treason and first degree murder carry a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment with a parole ineligibility period of 25 years, but in the case of first-degree murder, someone who has been convicted of a single murder could be have their parole ineligibility period reduced to no less than 15 years under the Faint hope clause.


If charged with first degree murder he could pontentially get out in 15 years

by  sentencing him as incompetent he is   locked away in a place for the criminally insane , if later it is decided he is no longer insane he would then have to go back to court to stand trial for murder,

So by doing this way the can guarantee he remains incarcerated for a longer period of time


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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 5:56:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think your confusing trial competency with criminal responsibility... either that or the Canadian system is different.

He was found not criminally responsible... which means (effectively) that he did not commit the crime.

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 5:58:25 PM   
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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 5:58:32 PM   
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This is ridiculous. He should be locked up for the ENTIRETY that he would be even if he was competent, AND treated at the same time.

Then again, I also would vote to send this guy to get a lethal injection, too.


He is being charged under canadian law there is no death penality  and they chose the best means under our laws to keep him locked up...for the longest maximum period


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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 6:00:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know :( It's one of the reasons I won't ever live in Canada, actually >.> (re: the lack of death penalty)

And neat that it's different. More justice probably gets done that way.

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 6:00:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		He's going to be locked up. In prison or in a mental institution, what does it matter? I have nothing against the death penalty, but that he expressed a desire to die and will not be given it seems punishment enough. I'm trying to imagine how it must feel to have not been in control of my own mind, brutally killed someone, and then later having to live with te knowledge of what I had done.

It seems sad, on all sides.

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 6:52:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		His 'legal representative' needs to be tried.

The nutcase asked to be killed. His 'legal rep' fought to thwart that.

More revenue all around, and f**k the person at the center of it all.

Now, shall we discuss 'hospice'? [ya, serious segue]

Seriously, what's with this 'legal representative' defying their CLIENT's preferences?

Common situation, and never to any good end.

Shakespeare had it right...

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Oh, no Death Penalty? Nevermind, then.
(someone who cares needs to smuggle that poor soul something useful)

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 7:08:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		He is a danger to himself and the community and needs to be confined for life.  A yearly review makes no sense to me but this is also a Canadian trial not a U.S. one.

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 7:20:07 PM   
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He is a danger to himself and the community and needs to be confined for life. A yearly review makes no sense to me but this is also a Canadian trial not a U.S. one.
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He is a danger to himself and the community and needs to be confined for life.  A yearly review makes no sense to me but this is also a Canadian trial not a U.S. one.


Many are getting hung up on the "yearly review"....  the yearly review is only to determine if he is competent  to stand trial and he remains locked up even if they find is is sane enough to stand trial


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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 7:25:05 PM   
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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 7:54:24 PM   
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A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.


The really awful part was that Li said "It was great eating a Canadian...but an hour later I was hungry again."


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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 7:55:39 PM   
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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 8:01:36 PM   
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This story really gave me the creeps when I heard about it. I immediately called a few friends in British Columbia and they all said the same thing: from the Native American perspective, the murderer was every bit as much a victim as the man he killed--if not more so.

Native Americans say that things like this have been happening for thousands of years in that region. Different groups have different names for the real cause, but personally I like the one that they use in the Hamatsa ceremony the best: they call it "Bakbakwalanuxsiwe", "The Cannibal From the North End of the World".

The only thing that could make this case more textbook was if the guy had been screaming "Haaap! Haaap!" over again, like a carrion bird, while he butchered the man in the seat next to him.

I don't usually put much stock in demonic possession stories, but...I have to admit this one gave me the willies.

I say, yeah, lock this guy up.

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 8:06:18 PM   
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from the Native American perspective, the murderer was every bit as much a victim as the man he killed--if not more so.


I do not understand your reference to the North American native angle.... as the murderer is an Asian immigrant  .. not native american

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 8:09:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aravain

I know :( It's one of the reasons I won't ever live in Canada, actually >.> (re: the lack of death penalty)

And neat that it's different. More justice probably gets done that way.



You won't live there because you can't be executed yourself, or because the lack of a deterrent makes it a more dangerous place, or because you disagree with the policies of the government so deeply that you cant bear to live under it?

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RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison - 3/5/2009 8:18:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Maya2001

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from the Native American perspective, the murderer was every bit as much a victim as the man he killed--if not more so.


I do not understand your reference to the North American native angle.... as the murderer is an Asian immigrant  .. not native american


what she's saying doesn't depend on the nationality of the person, it's what the Natives in the area belive is a possession by a spirit. this "cannibal from the north end of the world" could possess an asian immigrant.
that is an extremely interesting angle that i had never even heard of before.

must research more
interesting

scary
and heinous
and it's nice having canadians here to explain the system because i was also quite ticked off at first, but atleast he'll be standing trial at SOME point...

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