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Kirata -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/5/2009 11:45:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme From what I heard they tried to intervene but he was already dead, so they did the smart thing and got the fuck off the bus. I guess anything is possible, but I'd be interested to hear how they knew that. Looney Li take a bathroom break while they checked the guy for a pulse? K.

Kirata -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/5/2009 11:48:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop I think I recall that several people did try... until he started waving the knife at them.... Well damn... time for a snack then. Good thing he didn't say "BOO!" and spoil their appetite. K.

GreedyTop -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/5/2009 11:55:52 PM)
snort

Vendaval -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 12:20:49 AM)
Fast Reply - Warning, graphic description to follow. "Decapitation Suspect Allegedly Ate Victim" "According To Police Tapes, Officers Observed Attacker Hacking Off Pieces Of Victim, Eating Them" TORONTO, Aug. 2, 2008 "Witness Garnet Caton, who was sitting just one seat in front of the two men on the bus, said the suspect had been on the bus about an hour. He initially did not sit near the victim but changed seats after a rest stop. Caton said he did not hear the two speak to each other before the attack. "We heard this bloodcurdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly," Caton said. Caton watched in horror as blood sprayed across the back of the bus, he told The Globe & Mail daily. "He had a Rambo, hunting knife covered in blood and he just kept going at the guy," Caton said. "He was very calmly killing the guy and the other guy was screaming bloody murder," he added. "There was no rage or anything. He was just like a robot stabbing the guy," Caton said. Caton said the driver stopped the bus when he became aware of the attack and passengers raced off. A short while later, Caton said he re-boarded along with the bus driver and a trucker who had stopped to see what was happening. He said the suspect had the victim on the floor of the bus and "was cutting his head off" with a large hunting knife. The attacker turned toward them and the three men quickly left the bus, blocking the door as the attacker slashed at them through an opening. Caton said the driver disabled the vehicle after the attacker tried to drive it away. As the three guarded the door with a crow bar and a hammer, the attacker went back to the body and calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head, Caton said." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/02/world/main4316984.shtml

VanessaChaland -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 12:45:21 AM)
I hear ya. Bunch of people with mental health issues, lets rid ourselves of them all. And those mentally retarded people as well. Screw them. Really anyone with low IQs also. Fuck them too. And why even bother with trials and a jury? The hell with having expert witnesses right? I mean that attitude worked well for Bush as the "Kill kill governor of Texas" and also as Pres. :) quote: ORIGINAL: aravain ~FR~ This is ridiculous. He should be locked up for the ENTIRETY that he would be even if he was competent, AND treated at the same time. Then again, I also would vote to send this guy to get a lethal injection, too. Someone who can't appreciate the fact that he murdered someone is more scary than someone who can. If anything mental illness that induces criminal behavior would be a further reason TO send him away (or put him down) to me... for as long as possible.

babygurlrides -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 1:25:07 AM)
I live in Winnipeg...born and raised. I first heard about this story while I was sitting in a Harley Dealership in Santa Fe. I was waiting for them to finish changing my oil, and was chatting with some folks in the store. When I mentioned that I was from Manitoba, they all gasped and told me about the horrible event. I was frightened, as it was not an impossible stretch to think I might have known the victim. Thankfully, I did not. I agree with everyone that there should be no question about whether or not this man is mentally ill! I am of the opinion that he should be locked up forever. This is not the case. There is always the chance that he will be released into the mainstream. He may be required to live in a residential setting. We do not have facilities that can house forensic cases like this man, for the remainder of his life. He is going to Selkirk Mental Hospital, which used to be known as the place where crazy people were locked away. The trend is to reintegrate, and because of that, the facility is looking to close it doors. I know this, because I am in the health care profession. Its always easy to theorize, conceptualize and speculate about what is the best thing to do, when we are not intimately involved. As it happens, my best friend takes a meditation class. It is a small class, and the parents of the boy who was killed are there as well. They struggle to get on with it. My friend hears first hand, what its like for these parents. There are details that are so grotesque that they have not been revealed to the public. Given what we DO know, you can only imagine! The bottom line is: these folks will never be able to rest, knowing that Li, no matter how ill he may be, is not going to be held responsible for this crime. There can be no justice, as long as parole or reintegration is possible. I am told that the parents are lobbying for a change in our legal system whereby the criminally insane cannot be released into society. They are going to be holding a vigil at the legislative grounds, and I plan to attend. Like all of you, I have read many blogs and news articles, and have had conversations with many people about the legal and ethical issues at hand. It just seems that none of it really matters, the closer you come to the people that are left to survive the horror. I suppose Li's parents would use that same argument to support HIS reintrigration into society, once he is treated and deamed not to be a threat. No one wins:(

beargonewild -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 7:09:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKalif .... At least if Canadian law does not allow for a harsher sentence, he should show his discomfort and state the law should be changed accordingly. Just my two cents. It is cases like this that makes me want to have countries institute public hangings again like in the 18th century. May I suggest that you do what us Canadians do when we attempt to changes the laws and start petitions and lobbying the local MPs and then find some who are sympathetic to your cause to bring this proposal to the House of Commons. Maybe, just maybe you working with the said MP write a Bill to be presented in Ottawa and lobby that it passes several readings before being presented to The PM. Granted our government is flawed and we Canadians do know that. What you have to remember is unless there is another system which is absolutely perfect then we have no choice but to work with what we have and try to change what we Canadian citizens feel isn't right for the majority of the country's population.

beargonewild -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 7:13:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ Fast Reply ~ From the story link: Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.... An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Am I the only person who sees some real fucking sickos in this picture besides the guy on the bus? K. Li was stabbing the victim's corpse when all the passengers were off the bus. It was during the initial attach by Li that the victim died. Subsequent news reports stated that the victim was already dead after the 3rd or 4th stab. You also have to keep in mind that this happened in the evening, many passengers were sleeping and the attack came quite swift and quick.

ShaktiSama -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 4:40:09 PM)
Uh, yeah. There's also nothing more absurdly unassailable than the confidence and machismo of someone seated comfortably in judgment at a computer, hundreds or thousands of miles away and days after the fact. Suuuuuuure, you would have been all OVER that wendigo motherfucker and his twelve-inch buck knife drenched in gore. Him looking up at you with those shining jet black pits for eyes, covered in blood, with rags of human flesh hanging from his mouth wouldn't have given you a moment's pause, nosirree. Because you are jest BADASS.

Vendaval -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 6:16:58 PM)
Not to mention that the only person armed was the attacker until the police arrived on the scene. The bus driver and the other two men did the best they could under the circumstances by getting the rest of the passengers off the buss and safely out of reach. And the driver disabled the bus so the attacker could not drive off. Finally they kept the guy locked inside the bus until the police arrived. Without the actions of these three men the death toll could have been much higher.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 6:40:39 PM)
FR~~~~ http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1651002,00.html Experts have declared this man severely mentally ill, basically insane. That is a hell from which death would be a relief. For those who feel he needs to suffer...wish granted.[8\|]

DavanKael -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/6/2009 9:01:42 PM)
Some forms of crazy still oughtn't be allowed to remain part of the human population. Gotta say, think this is one of 'em. Davan

UPSG -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/7/2009 5:40:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme From what I heard they tried to intervene but he was already dead, so they did the smart thing and got the fuck off the bus. I guess anything is possible, but I'd be interested to hear how they knew that. Looney Li take a bathroom break while they checked the guy for a pulse? K. Yeah, I get the impression from what I have heard of the story that no one intervened. I'm rather easy going on people about things like this though. I really don't think most men are psychologically prepared to intervene in such levels of violent attacks that "shock and awe." In my opinion - and this is just my opinion - people that are trained and or conditioned to jump into gear and respond fairly quickly in things like this, are police officers. I suppose it may not matter the sex of the officer because the mental conditioning may be the same. If it is an officer with a sidearm that would of course help too. Funny, in a way what comes to my mind actually, is the case not so long ago of the slow response of the Secret Service men when President Bush got a shoe thrown at him twice during a televised speech or interview. A knife can be a very scary thing, and in my opinion a knife attack and or wound, can often be worse, or at least look worse, than gun shot wounding. Some of those Aryan Brotherhood members in prison, might be more the civilian types, who are more conditioned to collectively attack one man with a knife. Most of us are not. Me... I'm somewhat used to violence jumping off "from out of nowhere" so to speak, so in certain situations I can likely respond in a split hair instance. Then again I ever never been in a situation where a person was being brutally attacked with a knife on a bus like that. I suspect I would be shocked first (cause a hesitation to respond by helping) and I would likely flee the bus to save my own skin. It's possible I might try and help a person being attacked in the small confines of a bus, like what happened in this case, but I really can't know unless I was put in a similar or same situation. Self preservation is a strong instinct, and fear is very powerful.

beargonewild -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/7/2009 5:46:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama Uh, yeah. There's also nothing more absurdly unassailable than the confidence and machismo of someone seated comfortably in judgment at a computer, hundreds or thousands of miles away and days after the fact. Suuuuuuure, you would have been all OVER that wendigo motherfucker and his twelve-inch buck knife drenched in gore. Him looking up at you with those shining jet black pits for eyes, covered in blood, with rags of human flesh hanging from his mouth wouldn't have given you a moment's pause, nosirree. Because you are jest BADASS. WTF???? Maybe you should bother to read all the facts to the story before flapping your gums?

Lucylastic -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/7/2009 7:18:27 PM)
IM not trying to speak for Shakti, but I think it was not meant for you Bear, more of a sarcasm point for someone else, but I could be wrong:) Lucy

Vendaval -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/7/2009 8:07:14 PM)
I was thinking today of how most people would react in such a situation. And without combat training of the police or military type, most would be frozen in fear and then run screaming for their lives.

UPSG -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/7/2009 8:45:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval I was thinking today of how most people would react in such a situation. And without combat training of the police or military type, most would be frozen in fear and then run screaming for their lives. It's probably fair to say that on a bus load of Marines or Rangers the guy would have been subdued and seriously injured if not killed. The same thing with a bus load of cops. Putting the individual military person aside with great personal courage, in my opinion I would say most military people are not much more courageous than any other civilian when alone or not strengthened by their fellow Marines or soldiers. That's of course just my opinion. I've always thought, if someone was to become a veteran cop, a good one that is, and they drove alone and had to intervene in altercations by themselves, that they had to have lots of personal courage. Not all, but some of these guys in various notorious prison gangs, are some of the more fearless U.S. citizens we have. I say that realizing this case occurred in Canada though. There are of course, some very dangerous or competent fighters in both the military and civilian world who have spent years training in hand to hand combat be it through boxing or martial arts and or including knife fighting. I say dangerous or competent by having mind those that have actually tempered themselves through the fires of several real life fights and not just sport competitions. I agree with you. I don't blame those that run either - all though the more courageous and honorable thing would be to risk your safety to assist another in harm.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/9/2009 4:35:08 PM)
I've been following this story, and the one where the guy from Sask. went out drunk with his little kids, and they froze to death... It's a sad world, and while I don't think there is any help to be had for Li, I am glad that he is going to be removed from society PROMPTLY.

dreamerdreaming -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/9/2009 6:14:11 PM)
So if the guy sitting next to me on the bus is bothering me... And I'm getting hungry... I should make sure we cross over into Canada before I go postal on him... Mmkay...

beargonewild -> RE: Bus Beheading Suspect Will Not Go To Prison (3/9/2009 6:17:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic IM not trying to speak for Shakti, but I think it was not meant for you Bear, more of a sarcasm point for someone else, but I could be wrong:) Lucy Maybe though she should know better to quote the person instead of just replying in the manner she did.

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