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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 3:38:55 PM

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Just came from seeing it. I think they did an amazing job, keeping the main story line together, and STILL being able to suggest so much of the other plot threads that made the books such an amazing ride. (Frankly, I fell in love with the film about five minutes in, when Silhouette planted a huge kiss on her gf, in an alternate version of the famous "Coming home" photo from WWII. By the time the titles finished, I was solidly in the director's corner, and I wasn't disappointed.)

An impossible to film novel? Bah. Heard those arguments before: V For Vendetta, Slaughterhouse Five, Bonfire of the Vanities (okay, they may have been right about that one...)

And, not to derail the thread or anything... but I really think this movie is possibly the best fetish-sex film I've seen since "Secretary". I lost count of the number of times I was sitting there with my toes curling... (Although, I think Owl's and Ms. Jupiter's requirements for foreplay really make them "people with difficult to meet needs." LOL

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 3:44:11 PM

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Will you be getting a cleaning or something requiring half your face to be frozen?

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So if its good, I will go see it after going to the dentist monday.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 3:50:16 PM

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Just an odd note about Dr. Manhattan's blue junk: I noticed that in scenes earlier in his hostory, he did wear jockeys... but then, in the "present day" he didn't... I guess he was evolving into a being that didn't care about human modesty. :)

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 3:51:48 PM

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Maybe some carefully applied liquid latex then?

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 3:55:38 PM

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quarter of my face to be frozen...hurray

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 4:11:43 PM

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Sorry to hear that. Do you get to punch the dentist in the kisser afterwards?
Fair is fair and all.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 4:53:37 PM

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hahaha, I wish. She's pregnant though and is nice to me, so maybe next time.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 5:17:00 PM

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True, better to be nice back then.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 8:15:18 PM

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I agree, Ven. There are two people you never want to piss off, if you can help it... dentists, because they are in a position to really fuck you up... and librarians, because they control the flow of information.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 8:54:34 PM

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I would add a chef, cook or anyone that prepares your food and your pharmacist.

BTW,

"LOS ANGELES – "Watchmen" clocked in with $55.7 million in ticket sales to claim the top spot at the box office, making director Zack Snyder's comic book adaptation about a team of twisted superheros the biggest opening of 2009 so far."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090308/ap_en_mo/box_office;_ylt=Atmyaw.NPeQpLKnxxhslNc1xFb8C

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/8/2009 11:01:54 PM

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we went to see it in IMAX last night
i thought it was very cool, and interesting, and really really REALLY made me want to read the comic.
it's such a fantastic premise, really. superheroes EVERYWHERE
i didn't mind dr. manhattan being nude, he was just "beyond" clothes =p i thought it made sense with his character

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/9/2009 5:57:04 AM

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....really really REALLY made me want to read the comic.

Careful if you don;t call it a Graphic Novel the Fan boys will try to Eat Your Brains.. I Believe most Zombie Rules apply to Fan-Boy-dom

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/9/2009 5:58:41 AM

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And a whole lotta those fan boys are fetishists of one form or another.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/9/2009 11:13:40 AM

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Actually, speaking as a male, I kind of wanted to ask, if Dr, Manhattan could create anything out of thin air, couldn't he create a pair of shorts, a thong, anything? I was just glad the movie wasn't in 3d.

Speaking as a male I was quite pleased to see it :P

More seriously, though, his lack of clothing (and status as anatomically correct) was a metaphor... it showed on a very basic level some extra 'inhumanity' that he had in him. It's not like he had a raging hard-on the entire film and was poking people with it. Even the 'sex' scene involving him was completely non-explicit, to the point where it was showing more of HER than HIM for a change (and to my sadness)!

About the film as a whole, though, it was really, and truly, a wonderful watch. It paid for itself in the opening credits.

My only complaint with dead bodies at the end would have been 'why weren't they effectively vaporized by the bombs?' but I do understand the OP's point. It did lack as much impact as it would have otherwise had.

I dunno about 'campy' as a description for Night Owl witnessing Rorscach's death, but it was a silly choice. It would have been much more effective, in my opinion, to have just left that entire scene outside out. At that point it was beating a dead horse (and for those who didn't get it a simple 'You didn't...' and then Dr. M saying something like 'He had to be stopped' would have likely been enough).

I am *so* glad that there wasn't a giant squid monster. This ending was, actually, much more plausible in my opinion, and hence I enjoyed it more (instead of feeling cheated).

I've heard a lot of people say that the slow-motion was way over done, but for once I wouldn't agree (I generally hate it. Give me DBZ surreal fastness over slow-mo any day). It fit the part. I would like to say that I was disappointed that, generally, the heroes DID seem 'super' (instead of just ordinary people with masks on) in strength and speed. In the comics they're not at all... but they showed less of a superior training, and more reliance on innate abilities, in my opinion, in the film.

But it's definitely a must-watch film for anyone who's even remotely interested in the darker side of the 'hero' character (or who's interested in the tried and true 'good guy is actually a villain' archetype with a twist).

EDIT: Also, the extended sex scene between Jupiter and Owl... why? AND for fuck's sake, WHY that version of that song!? I couldn't stop giggling my ass off in the theater.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/9/2009 2:58:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

quote:

ORIGINAL: RainydayNE
....really really REALLY made me want to read the comic.

Careful if you don;t call it a Graphic Novel the Fan boys will try to Eat Your Brains.. I Believe most Zombie Rules apply to Fan-Boy-dom

Not sure why fanboys would try and do that...it was after all a comic book that ran through '86 and '87 before it was combined into a graphic novel later.

Edit to add an amusing quote from Alan Moore (who wrote "The Watchmen") -

""It's a marketing term ... that I never had any sympathy with. The term 'comic' does just as well for me. ... The problem is that 'graphic novel' just came to mean 'expensive comic book' and so what you'd get is people like DC Comics or Marvel comics — because 'graphic novels' were getting some attention, they'd stick six issues of whatever worthless piece of crap they happened to be publishing lately under a glossy cover and call it The She Hulk Graphic Novel...."

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/15/2009 5:22:07 AM

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I am a rabid comics fan but can't even say 'graphic novel' without sounding pretentious. I call them 'big comic books.'

Doc M's progressive shedding of clothing as he became progressively detached from humanity is straight out of the comic.

And I think that folks are reading different negative reviews (at least the ones connecting it to the comic) than I have. I haven't heard any rabid fanboys complaining about changes in the details of the story. I do hear a lot of complaints that Snyder missed the essential intellectual and emotional core of the comic, in exchange for glitzy effects.

I can't say, personally, because I won;t be seeing the film until it comes out through Netflix.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/15/2009 7:38:21 AM

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Speaking as a male I was quite pleased to see it :P

More seriously, though, his lack of clothing (and status as anatomically correct) was a metaphor... it showed on a very basic level some extra 'inhumanity' that he had in him. It's not like he had a raging hard-on the entire film and was poking people with it. Even the 'sex' scene involving him was completely non-explicit, to the point where it was showing more of HER than HIM for a change (and to my sadness)!

ORIGINAL: aravain

Actuall, Aravain, I agree with you. It was obvious that his nudity was a symbol of his growing separation from the human race. It was a very good way of pointing out that while he looked basically human, he no longer was. It's an interesting examination on what differences superpower could make not only to what someone can do, but who they are in relation to the rest of us.

That being said, there was a naked guy running aorund with a goodly sized, blue, glowing penis exposed for much of the movie. How can anyone expect me NOT to make some kind of wiseass comment on that? To paraphrase Ben Parker "With great nudity comes great wisecracks."

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/15/2009 8:23:01 AM

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Being a huge Marvel Comics collector (actually meaning I have a huge collection, lol) I had always boycotted Watchmen as a reader given its affiliation with dreaded DC. Having seen the movie, I am completely impressed with it and plan on seeing it at least once again and hopefully in IMAX. It was remarkable to me how well the characters are balanced, each having visible and tangible flaws, and each manipulated into the bittersweet conclusion. There wasn't a character protrayed that didn't leave me longing for at least a little more. I understand that the story was intended as a mystery, and that the clues were all there. The story and characters were so engaging, it was fine for me to just sit back and enjoy, rather than trying to solve the story, at least until it got really obvious.

I certainly don't begrudge the sex scene, in fact, it seemed appropriate and natural to me, without much fanfare and very human. Honestly, I don't think that Dr. Manhattan sporting a 6 foot raging blue hard-on would have bothered me other than it would've spoiled the notion of his detachment that was so well underplayed. (anyone else think he sounded like HAL from 2001? just askin')

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/15/2009 11:54:33 AM

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dont see this film.

it isnt good for you. it is cueing you to "love" big brother, or more to the point, the "New World Order. Such an order is not your friend.

Stone me if you must- but this film is not one to see.

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RE: Watchmen (2009) - Contains Spoilers - 3/15/2009 11:57:37 AM

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dont see this film.
it isnt good for you. it is cueing you to "love" big brother, or more to the point, the "New World Order. Such an order is not your friend.
Stone me if you must- but this film is not one to see.

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