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camille65 -> RE: overwhelming response and request to thread (3/11/2009 1:45:33 AM)

karit it isn't about you using first person, third person or slashy speak. It is about you coming into a forum as a newbie and having the hubris to sit here and instruct people, declaring what the one true way is and telling us all how we are doing things wrong.

Most of what you wrote is condescending and is also inaccurate, that is the problem that many are having with your post.

My suggestion is to read the forums for awhile before posting again with declarative and sweeping statements. Generalizations may carry a grain of truth, but only a grain and certainly do not apply to everyone.




WyldHrt -> RE: overwhelming response and request to thread (3/11/2009 2:32:53 AM)

Karit- as Camille said, the problem with your OP had nothing to do with mode of speech or supposed jokes about a book (which apparently isn't a joke?) and much to do with presumption and hubris. You have also apparently mistaken the attention any new profile that is 1. female, 2. submissive, and 3. has a pic gets to mean something more than it does. Honestly, 15 pages in 2 months isn't really all that much.

That said, please learn the difference between the words "thread" and "forum", as using one in place of the other is making my teeth itch, and may confuse the multitudes looking to rescue you from the wolfs. This thing here is a thread, General BDSM is a forum, and CM is a board.




Guilty1974 -> RE: overwhelming response and request to thread (3/11/2009 2:48:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

BOLOCKS!!!! How dare you make such a global statement? Have you verified your comment with every state and local county, town and city in the USA? Have you also verified your statement with every country and local judiciary world wide? I think not! Indeed I can come up with several countries or places where such actions you describe are not illegal.


*Waves hand*

Prostitution is completely legal down here.




feydeplume -> RE: overwhelming response and request to thread (3/11/2009 5:38:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: catize

I have some questions  [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m25.gif[/image]

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The individuals who are masquerading as Doms know who they are. 

Have you considered the possibility that it is not a ‘masquerade’ but could be a misguided or misinformed idea of ‘how a dominant should act’? 
or just not your flavor of dom? There really is nothing "wrong" with a do me/blow job dom. some of them are great in bed and are pretty good at the no strings thing as well. They have a place in the *giggle* lifestyle, since they have been part of it as long as it has been around.
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  hey are in relationships, vanilla ones, not honest with their submissives. 

 
How do you know that they ‘all’ are in a relationship?
How can someone be in a ‘vanilla’ relationship and have a submissive to be dishonest to?
How about when it is OK with their non-kink partner that they have a submissive too and the submissive is the one that makes a huge issue because they aren't the one and only and practiced selective hearing when pairing up with that D?
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  but it has been reported to me that certain Doms do this.   

Is this only true in BDSM—M/s—D/s?  Haven’t you seen this happen in non-kinky venues as well? 
I don't think she has, no wait, i think she has and that her "escape" from liars and meanies is to come hide out with sadists and T/D/M's.
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  i would just like to put this notice out there to all of the submissives, male and female, as a reminder.  A respectful reminder to the Doms as well. 


Why would you simply remind submissives but ‘respectfully’ remind dominants?  Does this indicate a lack of respect for submissive folk and /or a ‘special’ respect for dominants? 
 Because, for her, T/D/M's are an unknow quantity and she is trying to make a good impression on her ONE and doesn't mind trying to make ever other b/s/s look bad in the process?

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  Second, as per gifts from Doms, how long have you been seeing the Dom?  Is it excessive?

Did you mean the time spent or the gift is excessive?  What amount would you consider excessive?  
This is obviously hypothetical as she has yet to have a T/D/M give her a gift, or the gift (snort) so she is just having sour grapes mixed with a total lack of experience. Again.
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   Is it something that says, if you take this gift, you are indebted to me? 

If he pays for dinner do I need to be warned that he might expect sexual favors for dessert? 
What about if SHE (there really are female Ds out there too) buys the whip? She seems to feel that there is some inherant bater system used in this 'stuff' for sex (giggle) and money, which to me is yet another indicator that she has yet to actualy deal with her own demons and the way she used her sexual wiles to get her way when she was even younger. GUILT IS NOT SEXY *to a lot of people*
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  you need to think women and men of submissive nature.  The allure of clothing, dining, vactions, gifts, and whatever else maybe given, is all very tempting.


Do you really think that submissive men and women are incapable of setting boundaries and saying ‘no thanks’?  That submission alters one’s mental capabilities so radically that a bauble would blind them and lead them into temptation?
Hey now, what is wrong with temptation. Hey anyone wanna buy me a vacation somewhere warm? And guess what girly (OP) that is a real life kink for some people and just as valid and real as any other.
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  Doms, please do not give submissives from this site money. 

Is it okay for them to give money to submissives on another site or maybe at a public event? 
Yes through paypal or other reputable pay site, like all those cam sites and porn sites!
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  The greatest gift can not be achieved from a one night stand. 

Wouldn’t that depend on what each person has determined they want?  Isn’t it possible that the greatest gift would be that they ride off into the sunset and leave us with a fond/hot memory?
And the hidden "I want to get married and have kids and have my Husband do the thinking and deal with the manly things and have and will keep myself pure for Him alone" subtext becomes blindingly obvious. Nothing wrong with what she wants, just why she thinks that a kink site is the place to hunt for a good Christian husband is a good idea makes me wonder if she has had that bad of luck with real good Christian men...
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  At the end of it, Y/you are left alone and empty.  Just as Y/you were before. 

What about those of us who would be sated and smiling and prefer to be alone?  Could it be possible that I am not ‘lonely and empty’; in fact I may possibly be living life the way I choose and do not seek a dominant to make me whole?
Is it just me or am i senseing a serious lack of actualy sexual interaction here? Not just sex, but interaction with men that wasn't based on lies and make believe? Like a lack of every having had a GOOD date that was just that, a good date that left happy memories and both moved on.
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  Then Y/you will recieve the greatest gift Y/you could ever give to one another, your unconditional love and devotion.  
 
Unconditional love? Isn’t your entire post about your very rigid conditions?
It is more about oddly prudish attitudes about sex, the interactions of sexual beings, and the role of love in a relationship. In other words, she hasn't had a real relationship and still believes the Cinderella story and is waiting for a while knight to sweep her off her feet and make all right in the world. I am sort of sad that she will grow out of it.







CreativeDominant -> RE: overwhelming response and request to thread (3/11/2009 7:30:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: karit

The greatest gift can not be achieved from a one night stand.  At the end of it, Y/you are left alone and empty.  Just as Y/you were before.  A real relationship in this lifestyle takes time to build like any other.  Be wary of the individuals who want to be exclusive after one meet.  Hopefully Y/you enter into a long term relationship. Y/you are lucky enough to find a perfect fit.  Then Y/you will recieve the greatest gift Y/you could ever give to one another, your unconditional love and devotion.  



What is WITH these women always trying to turn a fuck into an engagement?
Don't you know, adorable one?  All women, including submissive women, MUST attach deep emotional involvement to each fuck they have...otherwise, they are being..............................well, human...or acting like a man and we can't have THAT.




LaTigresse -> RE: overwhelming response and request to thread (3/11/2009 7:49:07 AM)

Usually I say I have to at least like them. However, I have learned, that a ball gag goes a very long way towards correcting that. The key is to get it in their mouth early on.[:D]

Duct tape works well in a pinch.




OmegaG -> RE: overwhelming response and request to thread (3/11/2009 2:43:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: karit

The greatest gift can not be achieved from a one night stand.  At the end of it, Y/you are left alone and empty.  Just as Y/you were before.  A real relationship in this lifestyle takes time to build like any other.  Be wary of the individuals who want to be exclusive after one meet.  Hopefully Y/you enter into a long term relationship. Y/you are lucky enough to find a perfect fit.  Then Y/you will recieve the greatest gift Y/you could ever give to one another, your unconditional love and devotion.  



What is WITH these women always trying to turn a fuck into an engagement?
Don't you know, adorable one?  All women, including submissive women, MUST attach deep emotional involvement to each fuck they have...otherwise, they are being..............................well, human...or acting like a man and we can't have THAT.


heh, I have a key chaing that says " I used to think I was a slut then I realized that I just fuck like a man."

A friend of mine used to preach at me about how men wouldn't respect me if I would sleep with them when they first tried getting into my pants, I told her that at least I'd know right up front that they were troglodytes and hopefully have a good orgasm in the process.

Seriously, this double standard is played out.




VaPrince -> RE: overwhelming response and request to thread (3/12/2009 5:36:11 AM)

This is fun – a post from an admittedly new submissive.  A bit wide-eyed sounding and too sure of the views expressed?  Could that be because the author is new?  Oh wait – she admits she is new.  Well she certainly posted in the right place and received a lot of food for thought to grow and learn.  It is easy to forget that I was new once.  It is equally easy to forget that I was once wide-eyed when I was first discovering things.  I guess I could isolate certain passages and critique them – point out the exception that normally exists to every rule of thumb – but there is more to like about this post for me than not like.  I am new to this site and have received similar emails.  Fortunately, I am old enough to have made mistakes in my life that I have learned from so I found these emails merely aggravating.  But there are new people that come here and maybe they have not made the mistakes I have.  Maybe they need to think about such a topic.  Maybe they come here to read this post and maybe they go away a little better armed.  I have turned in the most obvious emails of this nature and the site does a good job of trying to warn about such emails.  But I will certainly give more thought to whether or not there is something more that I should or could do.  Thank you karit for your posting.  The discussion may seem a bit rough at times but if we do not have the courage to express our views and open them up for scrutiny we do not learn and we do not grow.

VaPrince




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