jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Been there, Done that. Paid in blood. There is no right for any stat to secede.
If you are referring to the American Civil War, which I am sure you are, I feel I must point out a few facts.
1) The United States of America is a Federation of STATES, using a REPUBLIC form of government, which means:
A) Any state has the right to leave the Federation if it so wishes, a point made when the Constitution was first written, and,
B) Abraham Lincoln violated the state's rights to leave the Federation of States by declaring it a 'rebellion.'
2) Examples of a Federation form of government can be seen in the United Kingdom, the former soviet union, a UNION OF INDEPENDENT REPUBLICS, which we have supported a number of those republics which exercised their right to secede from the Soviet Union.
In short this means:
If the United States Government recognizes the right of other international states to leave a republic then it must recognize the right of the States to leave the United States.
The only thing that the constitution states in reference to the states is that no state can make treaties with other international states independently of the Federal Government.
Here are the terms that apply:
1) Federal or foederal (archaic) may refer to: In politics: - Central government, the common level of government of a federation,
2) federation (Latin: foedus, 'covenant') is a union comprising a number of partially self-governing states or regions united by a central ("federal") government. In a federation, the self-governing status of the component states is typically constitutionally entrenched and may not be altered by a unilateral decision of the central government.
The whole idea behind the constitution was to have one central government able to make international treaties that benefit all component states.
When that Central or Federal government fails to act in good faith for all the states, not just a percentage of them, then the central government has failed, and those member states who so desire can leave the Federation and stand alone.
Further, a point from our own history, each member state of the Confederacy supplied troops to the cause of states rights, but these troops were first and foremost part of the military forces of each sovereign state who supplied them.
Robert E. Lee commanded the Army of Northern Virginia, NOT as many like to think, the entire army of the Confederate States.
Units attached to the Army of Northern Virginia from other states were there by the order of each state's military commander, and as such subject to recall at any given time.
Now, for the record, there are organizations that promote the idea of an independent Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona, Maine, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, ALL of the Indian Reservations, Florida, Colorado, Tennessee, and a number of other states.
The constitution made provisions for this in the second amendment, AND Thomas Jefferson even made it clear that at some future date, the states may have to stand and fight against the tyranny of the central government.
Considering the present size of the Federal Bureaucracy, the central government has reached a critical point from which there may not be a way make it smaller. There are so many agencies that have overlapping and even contradictory regulations that what may be allowed by one agency is not allowed by another.
Too much government is as bad as too little. If the population of a state votes to leave the United States, then it is their right to do so.
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