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misssubmisse -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/24/2006 12:13:30 PM)
lol This is the most entertained i've been while working in a long time, nice work [:D] You seem to have the aged wisdom, but a sense of humor is a fantastic attribute as well, too many people get hung up on being over composed...end up seeming somewhat prematurely decomposed though...yeah, i haven't slept in a day and half, my jokes are suffering [:'(] That's a great quote, You're going to tempt me to start a thread about the pearls of Wisdom in quote-form, uh oh [X(]

fyreredsub -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/24/2006 12:54:53 PM)
[8D] i just love it when you do this,,hehehe,so many of us...........dont listen but then after experience sets in...we shrugs know.........there be wisdom in your words

fyreredsub -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/24/2006 1:00:04 PM)
his happiness and pleasure is my world............[:D] which makes my world great when he is smiling.........cause then i am smiling........... altho some days its hard.........learning ...stumbling......growing................ which all leads back to that lil circle of happiness that is complete

misssubmisse -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/24/2006 9:06:09 PM)
--waits for experience to set in-- i should probably smoke while i wait to help pass the time, maybe watch a movie [8\|]

OscarHargraves -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/24/2006 9:55:58 PM)
Simple. A good ATTITUDE ! !

Petruchio -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/24/2006 10:41:27 PM)
One last word: Don't get hung up on definitions. Everybody has their own, and no two are the same. Except for mine, of course, the gold standard of opinions. (laughing) [:)]

misssubmisse -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/25/2006 4:00:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Petruchio One last word: Don't get hung up on definitions. Everybody has their own, and no two are the same. Except for mine, of course, the gold standard of opinions. (laughing) [:)] Thanks P [:D] Now i've been set straight, Y/you're all my new heroes, very grateful [:)]

Oberonrex -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/25/2006 12:09:12 PM)
You've already gotten a lot of good advice, and I will second/third/whatever the thought that you should not get too caught up in definitions. I have mine, and they have served me well, but they also have changed over time with experience and contemplation. I won't give it here, you need to think of your own, :) but I will say that attitude is the majority of it. Take your time, explore, read, ask questions here, be careful, and see where your thoughts take you in few months. Good luck!

YourCacophony -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/25/2006 1:10:12 PM)
chuckle Terms are so subjective in this instance. EVERYone knows what it means to them, but it never means the same to others. Here's a very abreviated version of my slave/sub thoughts. Sub: Someone who is equal to his or her partner in the relationship, however is serving in a subservient roll to the other(s). This subservience can take any degree of a combination of sexual, social, physical, emotional, and fiscal. Slave: Someone who is again, subservient in their role, but equality isn't balanced. The slave has given himself or herself over as property to the master. This does not negate the master's responsiblity to the slave, however the dynamics are vastly different in such a relationship. Again, for anyone else, this could be all rubbish and probably is. The important thing is to find someone with whom you agree with on what you're looking to achieve. Let the labels lay wherever they fall. YC

slavejali -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/25/2006 5:33:55 PM)
Being a slave means to me that: 1. I'm in a Master/slave relationship. That means I've made a choice to enter into a relationship with a Man who will take charge of our relationship, when all is said and done, He will be the dominating factor, i will be the submissive factor. "All these words are so entwined" What being a slave doesnt mean to me is: 1. That somehow my intelligence vanishes. 2. That the wisdom I have gained through live experience suddenly dissolves. 3. That I have no input and nothing valuable to offer in regards to opinions and experience. 4. That i become baby-like and relate to Master as some kind of parent figure. I am and adult for petes sake (who the heck is pete anyways?) 5. That my emotional and mental state become immature. Some things are more easily defined by working out what they are not.

misssubmisse -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/25/2006 6:36:52 PM)
Ober - Thanks for the reply, i'm definitely seeing the whole evolution of the ideas happening...slowly, because i still know if i were asked what exactly is it i want and had to outline it, i couldn't...but i have time to sort that out. Thank you for the good luck wishes too, i can use them lol [:)] YC - Thanks for the reply also, as i'd said earlier, it seems like a "Duh" moment to think there are concrete definitions, but at least i've gained that knowlege now and realize how dumb it was to have thought what i had. i was looking it at all of this like a sport with hard definition type rules and regulations. At least i'm learning now, better late than never lol [:)] sj -- i can relate a lot to what you've posted, i was pretty much in total disarray when i was being told by Doms over and over again that "training" to be a slave would be so difficult and that i would probably never meet the standards because i refused to be the machine they were telling me all slaves HAD to be. It's great now to know that what i was told wasn't all true and that there are still many Doms who will want to have a girl with her own mind, knowing she will still serve because it's what she feels she's meant to do. Once again, thanks for all of the replies, it's been fascinating and enlightening to hear the thoughts on this from those with real experience [:D]

subset -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/29/2006 3:08:50 PM)
It is just a word, nobody wants to be a slave. I get a real kick out of people who claim to be slaves yet they go on about their own wants and needs. Think about it, if you were a real slave you would have nothing, never mind all the things you have in your daily life.

Padriag -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/29/2006 3:24:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 IMHO, I want his deepest submission--I want him to please Me, I want to be pleased that he does--I want that dynamic to enslave him--I want that dynamic to enslave U/us. Now there's a beautiful way to put it.

KnightofMists -> RE: Definition of "slave" (1/29/2006 5:49:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: misssubmisse i've been wondering this for quite a while; what traits does a Master consider neccessary to earn the title of slave? Rather simple... she is one that follows my authority in always that I choose to exercise it. Now what kind of person do I want to follow my authority... that is a completely different question!

Dracironsgirl -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/2/2006 5:48:01 AM)
i'm confused here too but i believe everyone is different and there's as many ways as there is there are Masters, my Master's likes are total devotion and servitude always with complete obedience and good behavior, if i act out Master shuts off and doesnt pay much attention to me then ...i believe He'd like me to have very little thoughts if possible as i tend to be a bit too much in the thinking department for Him but He is very patient and wise as i stumble thru maistake after mistake while trying to learn my role first time with the most wonderful Master alive. ~kristin

duskysub -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/3/2006 12:32:54 PM)
[For my Master and i, slave simply means that He makes most of the decisions for me as to how i am to conduct myself both publicly and privately, and that He owns me completely. He would certainly not be interested in me if i had no thoughts or opinions or the ability to make my own decisions..my submission is demostrated by surrendering that power to Him. Dusky

BearNFirelight -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/4/2006 2:51:09 PM)
The difference between a sub and a slave is the level of commitment. A sub retains the right to say No. To define limits and boundries. A slave in essence says "I trust you Master/Mistress to care for my needs and best interest to the point that I no longer feel the need for defined limits and boundries in my service to you." In this giving over complete control and giving up their right to say no within the confines of their relationship with their Master/Mistress. Pretty simple actually...you may have a slave's level of servitude within you, but unless you are in a relationship where you have given up your reserved rights to define your limits and/or say no, you are a sub, not a slave. Just as a Dom is only a Dom unless he or she has one who serves them and call them Master/Mistress. To the world I am a Dominant. When I place a collar around one's neck I become that person's Master.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/4/2006 4:54:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BearNFirelight Pretty simple actually...you may have a slave's level of servitude within you, but unless you are in a relationship where you have given up your reserved rights to define your limits and/or say no, you are a sub, not a slave. Just as a Dom is only a Dom unless he or she has one who serves them and call them Master/Mistress. To the world I am a Dominant. When I place a collar around one's neck I become that person's Master. Actually to the world you're just a guy who claims to have a dominant orientation when it comes to his personal relationships that has absolutely no relevance on how I interact with you as a person. I consider myself a slave whether I'm owned or not.

KnightofMists -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/4/2006 6:43:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BearNFirelight The difference between a sub and a slave is the level of commitment. This would seem to suggest that a slave has more commitment than a sub. That is hardly the case.... Life long commitment is not a measure of sub or slave or anyother label for that matter... mmmm just have to look around at many life long vanilla relationships that demonstrate a commitment to be admired and understand that commitment is not a reflection of a label. quote: A sub retains the right to say No. To define limits and boundries. This demonstrates Lines of Authority in relationship and not commitment! quote: A slave in essence says "I trust you Master/Mistress to care for my needs and best interest to the point that I no longer feel the need for defined limits and boundries in my service to you." In this giving over complete control and giving up their right to say no within the confines of their relationship with their Master/Mistress. This would seem to that a submissive trust in their Dominant is somehow less because they have established limits/boundaries with their Dominant. It takes trust of a great degree for any commited intimate relationship and trust in the relationship can't be measured by the degree of authority one has given up in the relationship. I find that the degree of authority given in the relatonship is more a reflection of the inner nature of the persons involved in the relationship! However, the building of trust does allow the fullest inner nature of those involved in the relationship to come out! quote: Pretty simple actually...you may have a slave's level of servitude within you, but unless you are in a relationship where you have given up your reserved rights to define your limits and/or say no, you are a sub, not a slave. Just as a Dom is only a Dom unless he or she has one who serves them and call them Master/Mistress. To the world I am a Dominant. When I place a collar around one's neck I become that person's Master. You are using the term of slave in two contexts here. There is the inner nature of the person that is identified as a slave nature. This person is very much a slave in their inner nature. In their choosen relationship they will very much give complete and total authority to their Master. However, such a person, with slave nature, must first find the right person that such authority will be passed to. Only a person of a slave nature will ever give this consenually. They are by this fact alone are a slave, But an Unowned Slave! in a practical sense and relationship sense. Then you have the owned slave. This person is just a person that has found the Master to give their complete authority to. I have no doubt that a Unowned Slave would very much prefer to be owned. But, only ones of quality will give their authority to another that is deserving and has earned it. Pity the slave that recklessly hands such authority to an underserving Master... cheaply given is cheaply valued! In summary, the definition of a slave reflects, both the inner nature of the person and it also can reflect the primary relationship structure one is in or would prefer to be in.

ShivaTS -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/4/2006 10:06:36 PM)
Ive read all the posts here, but am still confused. I was told by a guy that I am a slave not a sub. I dont understand this because I dont want to be property. I want someone that cares about me. I am willing to try anything that my dominant beleives I can handle, but I am not willing to have any perminant physical or emotional damage. I come from an indian society and am used to serving, cooking, cleaning. I am happy when doing things for others. It makes me feel useful and needed. Another dom told me I am a Service Sub. I dont consider sex an important part of my life however I do want to please my dom/domme in her needs for sexual gratification. What does that make me? Do I need to adjust my thinking?

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