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Lordandmaster -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/5/2006 1:08:03 AM)
Being property and having someone who cares about you are not mutually exclusive things. An owner of a prized possession will know how to take care of it. quote: ORIGINAL: ShivaTS I was told by a guy that I am a slave not a sub. I dont understand this because I dont want to be property. I want someone that cares about me.

Interesdom -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/5/2006 4:36:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: i'm confused because to me a slave isn't allowed to have thoughts, Wow....I'd love to meet the man who is so powerful that he can stop thoughts!!! (just my opinion...but men who come from that kind of perspective aren't worth wasting precious time on) Very well said. This nonsense that seems to be most prevalent for newbies that a slave is some kind of automaton who doesn't think is very confusing. I still don't know quite where it comes from: not from any literature that I know so maybe from predators? I'm not sure that it's any better than the other stupid idea: that a slave is worthless. What use is a mindless slave to a true owner? I want a vibrant person to own, one who is enjoyable, intelligent, educated (a bit, at least) and useful, not some stupid robotic doormat. That would be worthless and why should I keep worthless property around?

KnightofMists -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/5/2006 9:53:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShivaTS Ive read all the posts here, but am still confused. I was told by a guy that I am a slave not a sub. I dont understand this because I dont want to be property. I want someone that cares about me. I am willing to try anything that my dominant beleives I can handle, but I am not willing to have any perminant physical or emotional damage. I come from an indian society and am used to serving, cooking, cleaning. I am happy when doing things for others. It makes me feel useful and needed. Another dom told me I am a Service Sub. I dont consider sex an important part of my life however I do want to please my dom/domme in her needs for sexual gratification. What does that make me? Do I need to adjust my thinking? I am with LAM on that being loved and cared for is not exclusive to being property, both can coexist. I would add... you seem to consider that because you have an unwillingness to have any physcial or emotional damage, that this in of itself precludes you from being a slave. Do you think a slave would want or be willing to ahve physical or emotional damage? I consider one of the big myths within the definitions of slave is that they have not limits/boundaries. Every one as limits or boundaries, I am thinking not being harmed to be a really big boundary! In the M/s relationship itself, the owned slave's limits/boundaries are actually represented by the Master. Meaning, that the limits/boundaries are most restrictive by the Master! When I express that my slaves allow me to exercise my authority in all ways that I desire. This doesn't reflect that my slaves have no limits/boundaries. It reflects that they are protected my limits/boundaries that I impose upon them and myself. Therefore, compatiability of limits/boundaries between Master and slave is very important for such a relationship to be successful. So, as a slave, choose wisely! It doesn't serve the slave well if they they choose a Master that loves X (whatever X is) when the slave will not do X.

ShivaTS -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/6/2006 12:42:21 AM)
Thank you for all of the comments. I have learned more about the life I am moving towards today than in my whole life.

MasterDaddy123 -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 2:36:48 PM)
She is a Sub or Submissive. Subs retains certian negotiated rights..she is submissive in certain areas. A slave has no thoughts of her own. she is totally owned by Her Master body mind and soul. Her thoughts MUST be of His thinking. If she daydreams, she MUST daydream of how to better serve Him. She even asks permission to do everything.

BitaTruble -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 2:59:54 PM)
quote: If she daydreams, she MUST daydream of how to better serve Him. Interesting concept, to be able to train someone on how to daydream. I don't have a lot of time for daydreams unless you count the Collarme forums, but I think I'll bring this up to Himself. I doubt he's given it much thought either. Celeste

RavenMuse -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 3:05:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDaddy123 A slave has no thoughts of her own. she is totally owned by Her Master body mind and soul. Her thoughts MUST be of His thinking. If she daydreams, she MUST daydream of how to better serve Him. She even asks permission to do everything. If that floats your boat and works for you, fine..... don't think you'll have too many folks agreeing with you sunshine. Personaly I LIKE my girl with thoughts of her own, if she hasn't then it would sort of make conversations into verbal wanking. I prefer discussion, you should try it sometime.[;)]

MHOO314 -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 3:12:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RavenMuse quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDaddy123 A slave has no thoughts of her own. she is totally owned by Her Master body mind and soul. Her thoughts MUST be of His thinking. If she daydreams, she MUST daydream of how to better serve Him. She even asks permission to do everything. If that floats your boat and works for you, fine..... don't think you'll have too many folks agreeing with you sunshine. Personaly I LIKE my girl with thoughts of her own, if she hasn't then it would sort of make conversations into verbal wanking. I prefer discussion, you should try it sometime.[;)] So if the slave has to have his thoughts and ideas, then isn't that like talking to one's self? Sits back and waits, it's going to be a good night at the boards.

BitaTruble -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 3:15:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDaddy123 She is a Sub or Submissive. Subs retains certian negotiated rights..she is submissive in certain areas. A slave has no thoughts of her own. she is totally owned by Her Master body mind and soul. Her thoughts MUST be of His thinking. If she daydreams, she MUST daydream of how to better serve Him. She even asks permission to do everything. I ran this by Himself and he asked a very valid question. Are you afraid that if you truly control the daydreams of a slave that you will stifle their imagination? If you're not afraid of such, do you even want your slaves to 'have' an imagination? This seems a bit robotic to me and that the individual person losses not only their ego, but their uniqueness as well. I can understand the ego, but to lose the qualities that make someone unique seems nothing more than cookie-cutter to me. Do you find that to be true and if not, what's the difference? Celeste

kyraofMists -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 4:16:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDaddy123 A slave has no thoughts of her own. she is totally owned by Her Master body mind and soul. Her thoughts MUST be of His thinking. If she daydreams, she MUST daydream of how to better serve Him. She even asks permission to do everything. I think that you might want to qualify that statement with "a slave to you".... Part of my service to my Lord is my intelligence and my critical thinking skills. They are character strengths of mine. In my opinion, a person would be foolish to not use their property in a way that maximizes the benefits they receive from having said property. Knight's kyra

RavenMuse -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 4:23:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists I think that you might want to qualify that statement with "a slave to you".... Part of my service to my Lord is my intelligence and my critical thinking skills. They are character strengths of mine. In my opinion, a person would be foolish to not use their property in a way that maximizes the benefits they receive from having said property. Kyra, Your master isn't someone I think I would get on terribly well with in real life, I just feel there would be a bit of personality clash there. But I always say that if a Dom has an obviously confident, happy sub then he is clearly getting something very right. Even more than his own postings (Which I tend to in general mostly agree with), those of yourself and his other girls have definatly shown me someone I can respect. That on top of the fact that I often enjoy your posts of course[:)]

ownedgirlie -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 4:34:19 PM)
i took it as he owns her thoughts, therefore they are not her own, but his. Also, he has formed her thoughts - had taught her to think and to see as he sees. my Master told me long ago that i would come to see the world through his lense, and i have. This still means, however, that my mind forms thoughts. But he is at my center, and therefore at the base of those thoughts. No matter where i am, or what i do, he is at the base. As for daydreaming...a slave should always be thinking of how to improve service to her Master. i, however, am allowed to think and dream of all sorts of things, in fact critical self analysis is required of me (then again, that results in a better slave for him). i have been sent back to school to further my career. i am expected to show straight A's as well. It requires thinking to do that - on the subject of my class. However, that improves myself for him. So, everything i do is ultimately for him. As for asking permission to do everything...Master has final word over everything i do. He approves my daily/weekly schedule, so in that sense i ask permission to do anything. But not to the minute detail. (i can just imagine, "Master may i inhale now? Master may i exhale now?" You get the idea.) He approves what i eat. This does not mean i interrupt him during his day to ask, "Master, i am at work and they are having birthday cake today; may i have a slice?" That would drive him nuts. But i DO report to him what i eat, and if he feels the need to change my diet, he will. When one speaks in such absolutes, he/she runs the risk of skepticism. That is one's perogative, however.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 4:40:51 PM)
We've spent quite a bit of time and effort explaining slave; can we take a few to define "daydream"? A daydream is something you do while awake; a fanciful notion if you will. So if a slave has completed his/her chores and other duties and has time to "daydream" why shouldn't those fanciful notions be directed to pleasing his/her Master? It's not an attempt to enforce specific automaton thought, it's a standing task when all others have been completed and Master isn't around to assign any more. I have such a standing order concerning beth. I don't find the Master Daddy's concept so perverse. What better way for a slave to spend it's spare time? If anything it's a productive way to use the intelligent and creative abilities of a slave.

kyraofMists -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 5:00:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RavenMuse Kyra, Your master isn't someone I think I would get on terribly well with in real life, I just feel there would be a bit of personality clash there. But I always say that if a Dom has an obviously confident, happy sub then he is clearly getting something very right. Even more than his own postings (Which I tend to in general mostly agree with), those of yourself and his other girls have definatly shown me someone I can respect. That on top of the fact that I often enjoy your posts of course[:)] Thank you for the compliment to me and the house. I had to smile as I read your post... my Lord often uses a hammer to resolve issues; it doesn't matter if it is on the boards or face to face, he calls it like he sees it. That can put people off. kyra

BitaTruble -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 5:04:12 PM)
quote: We've spent quite a bit of time and effort explaining slave; can we take a few to define "daydream"? A daydream is something you do while awake; a fanciful notion if you will. So if a slave has completed his/her chores and other duties and has time to "daydream" why shouldn't those fanciful notions be directed to pleasing his/her Master? It's not an attempt to enforce specific automaton thought, it's a standing task when all others have been completed and Master isn't around to assign any more. I have such a standing order concerning beth. I don't find the Master Daddy's concept so perverse. What better way for a slave to spend it's spare time? If anything it's a productive way to use the intelligent and creative abilities of a slave. I think a daydream just rather 'hits' you, not as a concious thought but as a subconcious one and I suppose the same reason I no longer have fantasies is the same reason I don't really daydream about 'service' to Himself. I've been fortunate to live out everything which used to be a fantasy and I 'am' in service to Himself each and every day. Rather than dream about things I can do for him, I just go out and do them. I can't imagine Himself ever given me a standing order to daydream when I run out of things to do. To me that doesn't seem at all productive. ::shrugs:: When my assigned tasks are all completed, I can make bread, sew clothes, get ahead on other chores, read, educate myself, loads of other stuff besides daydream. If a slave has no thoughts of their own, then daydreaming of ways to please their Master is neither intellectual nor creative because every thought that's in the head was put there by another. Just me.. TETO. Celeste

BitaTruble -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 5:38:04 PM)
quote: I don't find the Master Daddy's concept so perverse. Maybe it's because I found his ad for his professional services so odd. quote: A true Certified Gorean Master/Trainer/Breeder. I had no idea the Goreans were offering certification now or that Gor had gone from fiction to truth overnight. So many out to make a buck. ::shakes head:: I hold nothing against anyone for agreeing with his mindset.. nor for wanting to take credit for being certified to make a few bucks, what have you. My personal opinion is that it dilutes that which I love, but I don't have to acknowledge the existance of such, so it's all good. As Tim says.. carry on. I really don't want to go here anyway. Celeste

kyraofMists -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 5:41:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble If a slave has no thoughts of their own, then daydreaming of ways to please their Master is neither intellectual nor creative because every thought that's in the head was put there by another. Just me.. TETO. Celeste I have to agree with this. My Lord said that he would find it rather boring if all my thoughts were just echoes of his. He likes the different perspective that I bring to his house. It helps him increase his own knowledge and as he says, "it helps me be a better me" kyra

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 6:40:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth What better way for a slave to spend it's spare time? If anything it's a productive way to use the intelligent and creative abilities of a slave. I don't think it's so perverse- but I do think there are a million things in life to take joy in thinking about, including one's master. Why would thinking about my nephews and daydreaming of they day they graduate from high school, the day they go to their senior prom, they day I can't help them on their math homework be a bad thing just because it's not directly about my master or what we do together? I can't imagine that somehow takes away from the ownership or relationship we have. What about when my mom dies? Am I supposed to not think about it because they are unpleasant thoughts and not towards my master? There's so much in life to take joy and experience from- what master would be so small minded to limit that joy and life for themselves and their slave to just them?

Wolfspet -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 7:15:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDaddy123 She is a Sub or Submissive. Subs retains certian negotiated rights..she is submissive in certain areas. A slave has no thoughts of her own. she is totally owned by Her Master body mind and soul. Her thoughts MUST be of His thinking. If she daydreams, she MUST daydream of how to better serve Him. She even asks permission to do everything. snort Ever hear of Tops Disease? I think you may have it.

HoosierScorpio -> RE: Definition of "slave" (2/27/2006 7:54:41 PM)
I feel a slave has the desire to serve her Master to the fullest desire of her Master. She is willing to give of herself to her master to take do what please him or her. She is not a thing but an asset to her Master for she is part of him. She will do every thing she can to full fill his desire and wish. Should she not full fill his desire then that disappoint her even more knowing she displease him. This is my viewpoint on what it means to be a slave. Every one has different a ideal what a slave is but for me a slave is to be at service to the Master

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